McCarthy QB School

[MysteryIceGuro]

What other quarterbacks are you comparing him to? Because only one person had more yards than him and only 3 guys had more touchdowns than him and only 3 guys had a higher QBR than him.

Something just isn’t adding up. He’s been in the league 4 years....we are kind of past him just being in the league because he’s “talented”.

Again, he has inflated stats. Also, these "3 guys" played tougher competition. Wilson, Mahomes, Jackson, (whoever else is on that list). Also, do these stats really matter? It's wins that matter most. And Dak only had 8. Mahomes may have had the better coach, but his defense isn't that great either, and we have a superior line, yet he's able to do more with his talent. Wilson carries his team every damn year. Yeah, maybe his stats aren't as good as Dak's, but look at what he's working with. Same as Wentz. They may not have flashy stats, but they did go to the playoffs with less and they look better than Dak despite having less to work with.

 

[Big_D]

Dak has shown he's capable of doing some good things. Can this coach get him to do them consistently? That will be the question. Coaching and game management have been terrible. That needs to change, the D needs to be better, they can't abandon the run. etc. And with Garrett this was just a team well known for crapping the bed. A zero confidence group. A complete turnaround on every front needs to take place.

 

[SackMaster]

Again, he has inflated stats. Also, these "3 guys" played tougher competition. Wilson, Mahomes, Jackson, (whoever else is on that list). Also, do these stats really matter? It's wins that matter most. And Dak only had 8. Mahomes may have had the better coach, but his defense isn't that great either, and we have a superior line, yet he's able to do more with his talent. Wilson carries his team every damn year. Yeah, maybe his stats aren't as good as Dak's, but look at what he's working with. Same as Wentz. They may not have flashy stats, but they did go to the playoffs with less and they look better than Dak despite having less to work with.

ALL offseason, those who defended Dak talked about WINS, and all those that opposed him said look at the team around him, of course the team wins, but how come he can't put up better STATS?

Now he put up the STATS, but the team, particularly on defense and special teams, did not play winning football, and now it is all about WINS?

What happens if he puts up 4,500 yards, 13 wins and helps bring home a Lombardi? It will ONLY be because of the team around him, as if a QB has EVER won a Super Bowl by themselves.

 

[Tenkamenin]

Why can’t people simply think Dak isn’t the right guy without this kind of nonsensical exaggeration? Of course Dak isn’t as good as Rodgers, but a scrub? 306 passing yards and 27 points per game worth of scrub? The standard isn’t either elite like Rodgers or scrub, with nothing in between.

Last year and the year before, the same critics said Dak didn't have the arm or accuracy to throw an excellent deep ball or consistently average 300 yards a game. Interestingly, Dak averages that this season and the critics found another narrative. Now the critics are resorting to their last and safest criticism, and that's, "Dak doesn't have what it takes to win a Superbowl."

The narrative is lame because a lot of great QBs don't ever win a championship. So now if we go into the playoffs and lose in the NFCC, the critics will spew, "You see! Dak doesn't have what it takes to get to the Superbowl." The Dak critics are as predictable as an 80s horror movie. They're all shaking in their boots now that we have a great coaching staff.

Nonetheless, Aluta Continua

 

[blueblood70]

Stats are for losers. Championships and Super Bowls define great QB's.

half truth brah..I mean the dilfers, Flaccos and other in his tier say this is arguable..teams have won with average QB at the helm..

you can win with an average QB paired with agreat run game and defense..

yes Eli as mentioned is tweener but a good example..

I remember Bens first SB and even Wilson to a degree they weren't great that year they were carried bya great run game and defense..they got better later as their careers moved forward..

Dak is as good as Eli for sure and hopefully defense, special teams, and the run game is all utilized better with this new staff to get us over the hump..

as with Romo our defenses and to some degree coahes have wasted oportunuitys for a SB last decade

so hoefully this new staff can not do the same with Dak and Zeke..

 

[Proof]

As I said before, first of all, his stats are inflated by garbage time stats.
2nd of all, look at the team around him! How can he not win with these people? Bad thing is, as soon as one of these people goes down with injury or have a bad game, they lose. Look at the Jets game as an example. Or his first few games last season without Amari.

mall encompassing, over a 4 year career. The stat isdfing really doesn’t hold water in totality, and is tangential to the point. You simply can’t have the career he’s had thus far and be mediocre. It’s not just counterintuitive, it’s impossible.

 

[OmerV]

Last year and the year before, the same critics said Dak didn't have the arm or accuracy to throw an excellent deep ball or consistently average 300 yards a game. Interestingly, Dak averages that this season and the critics found another narrative. Now the critics are resorting to their last and safest criticism, and that's, "Dak doesn't have what it takes to win a Superbowl."

The narrative is lame because a lot of great QBs don't ever win a championship. So now if we go into the playoffs and lose in the NFCC, the critics will spew, "You see! Dak doesn't have what it takes to get to the Superbowl." The Dak critics are as predictable as an 80s horror movie. They're all shaking in their boots now that we have a great coaching staff.

Nonetheless, Aluta Continua

Of course, with Dak, as with most QB's, whether he can win a Super Bowl depends on the supporting cast and coaching. Obviously some QBs can get by with less of a supporting cast than others, but none of them do it alone.

I think we all would agree Dak needs more of a supporting cast than Brady or Rodgers in their primes, but he certainly doesn't need any more of one than Foles or Flacco or Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer.

Yet some put him in the category of Babe Laufenburg or Clint Stoerner.

 

[Ranching]

Dak isn't remotely close to Rodgers and the team know it.

He doesn't have to be. He also isn't as much as a primadona and prick as Rodgers.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Good enough for 5,000 yds and 30 TDs, if Dak had Rodgers’s defense things would be lot different.

If Dak would agree to play for 28 plus incentives for up to 32 on a 4 year deal, he could probably have a Defense as good. I mean, that door swings both ways. None the less, Dak is never going to be Rodgers. That's just how it is.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

This isn't and has always never been about Dak's play.

Really? So what do you think it's about?

 

[morat1959]

Good enough for 5,000 yds and 30 TDs, if Dak had Rodgers’s defense things would be lot different.

All those accurate TD passes in the red zone were amazing.

 

[morat1959]

Stats are for losers. Championships and Super Bowls define great QB's.

Thank you! Stats are also for fantasy football. Those are the guys who claim Dak is the next coming. They’ve never stepped on a field or coached at any level. Those that have, see his flaws and they are MANY!

 

[AbeBeta]

Really? So what do you think it's about?

Ain't taking your silly former mod bait.

 

[morat1959]

Does that mean Eli with 2 rings, both against the GOAT no less, is better than Rodgers, Brees, Wilson, Young, Farve, Warner and Unitas, who all only have 1 ring?

Dak’s not on the same planet with all the QBs listed above including Eli. If you can’t see it, you don’t know what to look for. #s mean nothing unless you’ve got the right wins to go with them. They look good if you play fantasy football but that’s not Super Bowls.

 

[dreghorn2]

Really? So what do you think it's about?

Doesn't take a brain surgeon.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ain't taking your silly former mod bait.

I don't blame you. You know you would be landing your butt in a sling. Don't do what you were doing there. This board doesn't need that BS. Stand up and fly right. It's your board too. Act like it.

 

[AbeBeta]

I don't blame you. You know you would be landing your butt in a sling. Don't do what you were doing there. This board doesn't need that BS. Stand up and fly right. It's your board too. Act like it.

Yeah. I'm the problem on this board.

We have entire thread about clapping. But you are cool with that.

 

[Rockport]

No doubt this will help Dak. However, he has too many intangibles to fix IMO. Inaccuracy, footwork, timing, throwing in stride, etc. basic QB fundamentals. Despite the people around him underperforming from time to time, he had an all star cast. Zeke, a top 5 RB every year he’s been in the NFL. A 4 time pro-bowl WR in Cooper, who may not show up on the road, but is still a good WR. (Also, Cowboys Break made a good point about this. Besides D-Hop and Michael Thomas. Maybe Mike Evans or Julio Jones, what WR puts up 100 yard numbers every game? Not many. Amari is not the elite of the elite, buts he’s still good. Gallup was pretty good this year minus a few drops. Same as Cobb. O-line was great at pass blocking, yet Dak still fell off after the Pats game. Despite all that he had going for him, he failed to score on consecutive drives when we were down 31-3 against the Packers. Blame the Defense all you want, but Dak didn’t score when the Pack score 7-3, 14-3, 21-3, etc. Same as the Bears and Bills game. He failed to score a TD in the 2nd Philly game (he claims his injury didn’t bother him so I don’t want that excuse). Didn’t score one against the Pats. Or the Saints.

Bottom line: Dak isn’t our answer. He could make a great backup, and I’m sure he’s a nice dude, but we’re looking to pay for a franchise QB, not a nice dude with average football skills.

You and Pappypup sitting in a tree....

 

[Proof]

Why can’t people simply think Dak isn’t the right guy without this kind of nonsensical exaggeration? Of course Dak isn’t as good as Rodgers, but a scrub? 306 passing yards and 27 points per game worth of scrub? The standard isn’t either elite like Rodgers or scrub, with nothing in between.

basically. I may not agree with someone who isn’t a fan, but I can accept it. And there are even some semi valid arguments against him in the hands of an intelligent person. But the lunacy skewed around here is unbelievable

 

[Dak_Attack_09]

All those accurate TD passes in the red zone were amazing.

30 TDs that’s not including what he can do rushing wise.

Carson Wentz fans needs to go back to their own forum.