McFadden officially off pup

[superonyx]

just curious, who would you bring? besides Chris Johnson of course

I don't want to speak for Alexander as he is capable enough. However my feeling is that the answer to your question is No One...and the reason for that answer is because Alexander would have already addressed this position and we wouldn't need to fill a void in August.

Now don't get me wrong the Cowboys did address the position. By bringing in McFadden and promoting Randle to starter.

 

[jazzcat22]

You really just do not understand basic psychology, do you?

Do you honestly believe that all three of our incumbent RBs are strong personalities who strive to succeed and show a pattern of behavior and results that reflect that desire?

Directly answer my question if you reply to my post and then we can continue the discussion.

Oh I understand many things very well. And if I don't, I will learn about it. I do know psychology though.

However, you think it's up to you if I answer your question, that you decide if the discussion is continued. Well I will save you the decision, we won't. I have my answer...well, I had it before I even replied.

But just for you...yes I do believe they have strong personalities, and the desire to succeed, or else they would not have came this far in the NFL. They know what is at stake. Yes players need buttons pushed at times, and sometimes they need to push their own buttons.

Not all players may have these traits, but then again they are only in the league for a year or 2.

 

[Alexander]

Oh I understand many things very well. And if I don't, I will learn about it. I do know psychology though.

However, you think it's up to you if I answer your question, that you decide if the discussion is continued. Well I will save you the decision, we won't. I have my answer...well, I had it before I even replied.

But just for you...yes I do believe they have strong personalities, and the desire to succeed, or else they would not have came this far in the NFL.

Well, one is a first round pick. Do you not think that first round choices get leeway? Nobody wants to admit they made a mistake. That is how McFadden could have "come this far". He has been coasting because he knew he could.

They know what is at stake.

Did Randle do that when he decided to behave like a disgruntled 12 year old who wanted some attention by shoplifting last year?

Yes players need buttons pushed at times, and sometimes they need to push their own buttons.

I do not see any buttons being pushed, I see the exact opposite. I see them being coddled because there are no other alternatives that the team is willing to consider.

In fact, that is exactly what I am suggesting, how are these players considered reliable self-starters who want to win and succeed?

And what makes you think these players are capable, based on their known, tangible track histories, of doing so?

They are either nicked up constantly with minor injuries that others play through or they are getting arrested for juvenile nonsense.

Not a one of those three have shown any traits that suggest they are ready for the challenge. At all.

They do what they do. Malinger. Get hurt. Etc.

Not all players may have these traits, but then again they are only in the league for a year or 2.

Lots of physically talented players go from camp to camp, two to three years even longer, after the last time they saw live NFL action.

Just because they have physical traits, it means zero. That is what makes the NFL so hard to figure out. It is so much more mental than people realize, yet they keep thinking talent acquisition in the pros is like it is in college where you have unlimited rosters and frankly, time to be patient.

 

[big dog cowboy]

It tells our Threw Stooges that it is okay they can continue to be unreliable. We will never bring anyone in that could be more than camp fodder. Go get 'em, boys!

If we do, it won't be for at least a couple of weeks. The Cowboys are going to give our guys every chance first. That has always been the plan.

I see them being coddled because there are no other alternatives that the team is willing to consider.

No coddling. Like I said we have a plan and are executing it. The season opener is still 29 days away.

 

[Alexander]

If we do, it won't be for at least a couple of weeks. The Cowboys are going to give our guys every chance first. That has always been the plan.

So the plan is to get desperate and Jerry Jones yanks the wheel?

Sounds pretry awesome to me.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I realize there are economics involved, but frankly the best way to motivate unreliable players is to give the front that they are not valued and they need to step up.

All three of these backs can step up. I just feel they do not feel that they have to. They know they will make the final roster because frankly, management did nothing to offset the loss of Murray.

If bringing in some grizzled vet and cutting them sends a message in camp, so be it.

Belichick has been doing that for years.

This is a joke post right?

Somehow you think Randle, Dunbar and McFadden all 3 have some sense of entitlement?

The same Randle who practices the day after he got nicked up? The one who has kept his head down and worked hard? The guy following Witten around all camp?

Or McFadden the guy who got into it with the front office because they are bringing him along so slowly? The guy who signed for next to nothing?

Or maybe you mean Dunbar the guy who hasn't done anything in his career. You think he has some sense of been there done that?

And you say all this about a Jason Garrett led team that is as big a meritocracy as there is in the NFL?

I'm sure you're joking.

Please be joking.

 

[tyke1doe]

It tells our Threw Stooges that it is okay they can continue to be unreliable. We will never bring anyone in that could be more than camp fodder. Go get 'em, boys!

Who are these Threw Stooges? I've never heard of them.

 

[JDSmith]

Who are these Threw Stooges? I've never heard of them.

Weeden and Vaughan, from the looks of it.

 

[dfan32]

I realize there are economics involved, but frankly the best way to motivate unreliable players is to give the front that they are not valued and they need to step up.

All three of these backs can step up. I just feel they do not feel that they have to. They know they will make the final roster because frankly, management did nothing to offset the loss of Murray.

If bringing in some grizzled vet and cutting them sends a message in camp, so be it.

Belichick has been doing that for years.

Maybe they didn't hear Stephen Jones publically state that they have been combing rosters for possible RB upgrades. And it is also strong possibility they, our currently signed RB's, know the other veterans that are available are no threat at all, signed or unsigned. And lastly, I'm quite sure there are multiple methods of pressuring and motivating your players.

 

[big dog cowboy]

So the plan is to get desperate and Jerry Jones yanks the wheel?

Ummm. No. Everyone breathing air knows the best players at any position are going to be in the last cuts.

Also, it's pretty clear that Jerry doesn't drive the Cowboys per his whims any more.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I am so excited.

me too.

 

[KingLerxst]

You really just do not understand basic psychology, do you?

Do you honestly believe that all three of our incumbent RBs are strong personalities who strive to succeed and show a pattern of behavior and results that reflect that desire?

Directly answer my question if you reply to my post and then we can continue the discussion.

I honestly believe Mc Fadden more than understands his situation. He's a high first round pick who is now fighting for a job on a minimal contract. Randle is a mid round pick who has been in the league long enough to know the score. Neither on of them need the Cowboys wasting a move just to "send a message".

Obviously the FO doesn't feel it's necessary to bring in more than camp bodies at the moment. Especially since Randle has been playing pretty well and his only " injury" was nothing that would have kept him out of a regular season game. They're also willing to give McFadden a chance to prove himself with 4 weeks still to go before the season opener.
Now. If the situation warrants. I'm sure they'll go out and get another higher caliber back.
But until then. There's no need for them to panic.

 

[lane]

And we sign Hill & Malena

Darren McFadden off PUP list, full-go for Cowboys

• By Tyler Dragon NFL.com
  • Updated: Aug. 15, 2015 at 06:17 p.m.

Dallas Cowboys are in the midst of a running back competition in training camp, yet their top two candidates can't seem to avoid the injury bug.

Darren McFadden has been bothered all summer with hamstring injuries and Joseph Randle currently is sidelined with a strained oblique.

Health and not ability might determine who is slated to start Week 1 for the Cowboys, and it seems as though McFadden has a head start.

The team moved McFadden off the PUP list to the active roster and the running back confirmed Saturday that he's full-go for the first time this training camp. He missed Dallas' first 11 practices due to the hamstring injury that he suffered a week before training camp. The oft-injured running back also missed several offseason practices because of a different hamstring injury.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...rren-mcfadden-off-pup-list-fullgo-for-cowboys

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[Fletch]

Lots of vitriol towards our front office regarding the RB situation. I remember this same mentality last year before going 12-4 with one catch away from the Championship game. And most in here during our run was just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Chicken Little syndrome is back!

As for myself, I'm gonna let the FO do what they do! They know more about my team than anyone on the outside lookin in.

#WE_DO!

 

[guag]

This is a joke post right?

Somehow you think Randle, Dunbar and McFadden all 3 have some sense of entitlement?

The same Randle who practices the day after he got nicked up? The one who has kept his head down and worked hard? The guy following Witten around all camp?

Or McFadden the guy who got into it with the front office because they are bringing him along so slowly? The guy who signed for next to nothing?

Or maybe you mean Dunbar the guy who hasn't done anything in his career. You think he has some sense of been there done that?

And you say all this about a Jason Garrett led team that is as big a meritocracy as there is in the NFL?

I'm sure you're joking.

Please be joking.

 

[guag]

Garrett and this front office have earned my trust the past several seasons with their various draft choices, signings, and cuts. We as fans might not be able to see the big picture, but I have no doubt that the team has a plan.

Considering how well they've done in managing most other position groups, I find it hard to believe that they would suddenly have severe brain farts in regards to the RB position.

They have a plan.

 

[BrassCowboy]

I realize there are economics involved, but frankly the best way to motivate unreliable players is to give the front that they are not valued and they need to step up.

All three of these backs can step up. I just feel they do not feel that they have to. They know they will make the final roster because frankly, management did nothing to offset the loss of Murray.

If bringing in some grizzled vet and cutting them sends a message in camp, so be it.

Belichick has been doing that for years.

Yeah, I get what you are saying about this and about maybe our idea of letting D Murray go, but it is what it is. I understand also what you say about putting fire under the belly of the top 3 RBs to perform better or atleast be on the field, but other than what we are doing by bringing in camp fodder, I think it is way too early to give up on the 3. If any, maybe Dunbar, but I think if it was gametime those three would be on the field. Like most other teams, coaching staff takes it easy with players for the most minor of things. To a degree, I understand that it is not worth the risk of making injuries worse.

As far as quality goes, I think Randle has had a pretty good TC so far and will be a very capable starter for this team. I also think DMC will contribute real well as I am not the biggest believer in the idea that anyone is "injury-prone". You could possibly argue cutting Dunbar with me because I am not his biggest fan. If you wanna make a statement, cut him (although, as another poster pointed out to me, he is very good on ST).

I really don't think that with this coaching staff and team atmosphere, considering how close they are, that any player is taking there position for granted. I think we have a real good coaching staff now that players wanna play for and give their best. With the time that is left, and with what they have, I will trust this team. I am not too worried about the RB situation.

 

[DFWJC]

This is a joke post right?

Somehow you think Randle, Dunbar and McFadden all 3 have some sense of entitlement?

The same Randle who practices the day after he got nicked up? The one who has kept his head down and worked hard? The guy following Witten around all camp?

Or McFadden the guy who got into it with the front office because they are bringing him along so slowly? The guy who signed for next to nothing?

Or maybe you mean Dunbar the guy who hasn't done anything in his career. You think he has some sense of been there done that?

And you say all this about a Jason Garrett led team that is as big a meritocracy as there is in the NFL?

I'm sure you're joking.

Please be joking.

Yeah, I don't get it either.
Easy to sit on the sofa and accuse guys who have been traing their butts off that they're slackers if they get nicked up.
I just don't see any of those three thinking they have it made at this point.

 

[StarBoyz83]

Meh. Can't lie I was such a supporter when we got him but he's been injured for 2 and a half months he's done.

 

[Bowdown27]

I love Darren. I'm an Arkansas guy but I don't expect Darren to be the guy. He'll be how he was in Arkansas 10-12 carries a game if he does well if not let Randle and Dunbar do work. He's not making that much with us anyway so it's not a financial situation. It's a productivy situation.