McFadden vs Morris

[KJJ]

Guess Jackson took control of 3rd running back pushing Mcfadden off the roster

I'm not so sure about that. Jackson has looked pretty good but has only averaged 3.9 per carry against backups. If I'm choosing between McFadden and Dunbar i'm taking McFadden because Dunbar is basically a gadget player and we have players who can do what he does. He hasn't seen a single snap in preseason and with him coming off a major knee injury I think he's gone. We'll have to see how many backs the Cowboys keep on the roster. Jackson may end up on the practice squad if we go with three backs. It will be an interesting decision to see what the Cowboys do with Jackson because he does look like a talented player. Ideally I think the Cowboys would like to go with Zeke, Morris and McFadden and put Jackson on the practice squad.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I'm not so sure about that. Jackson has looked pretty good but has only averaged 3.9 per carry against backups. If I'm choosing between McFadden and Dunbar i'm taking McFadden because Dunbar is basically a gadget player and we have players who can do what he does. He hasn't seen a single snap in preseason and with him coming off a major knee injury I think he's gone. We'll have to see how many backs the Cowboys keep on the roster. Jackson may end up on the practice squad if we go with three backs. It will be an interesting decision to see what the Cowboys do with Jackson because he does look like a talented player. Ideally I think the Cowboys would like to go with Zeke, Morris and McFadden and put Jackson on the practice squad.

At least Dunbar has practiced, Mcfadden is still injuried. Jackson ain't making the practice squad after showing his ability to pass block plus make plays running and catching the ball.

Jackson has also ran behind backup OL. He had a 20 yard run against starters last week that was called back on bogus holding call which his average would be closer to 5 yards. Behind starting OL his average would go up.

Mcfadden doesn't fit and that's why he won't make the team....he is also injuried

 

[KJJ]

At least Dunbar has practiced, Mcfadden is still injuried. Jackson ain't making the practice squad after showing his ability to pass block plus make plays running and catching the ball.

Jackson has also ran behind backup OL. He had a 20 yard run against starters last week that was called back on bogus holding call which his average would be closer to 5 yards. Behind starting OL his average would go up.

Mcfadden doesn't fit and that's why he won't make the team....he is also injuried

Dunbar has practiced but he's a much better receiver than a ball carrier and with him coming off a serious knee injury he's going to have a tough time making the 53. He's not a back you can lean on in the running game due to his lack of size. I've said all offseason it wouldn't surprise me if McFadden is released. With him being injured all summer he's going to be susceptible to a soft tissue injury when he returns and those have hampered him in the past primarily hamstrings. The Cowboys may feel this could end up being one of those injury plagued seasons for him. Zeke, Morris and McFadden look like a very strong rotation to me and if the final cuts were today those would be my backs. We have two 1000 yard backs who can carry the load and we know Zeke is capable of putting up big yards. You have to figure the plan for this season is to spread some of the carries, keeping one back fresh for the 4th quarter to help close out games.

We saw last night the defense is going to continue to be a liability so we're going to have to play keep away. As for Jackson he's going to be judged on how he's performed in preseason regardless that he hasn't played with our starting OL. It's going to come down to the final preseason game for him. If he breaks off some runs and has a great game, McFadden could be in serious trouble but if he doesn't produce I feel he'll end up on the practice squad unless the Cowboys go long at RB and keep four. Haven't noticed how Jackson has performed on special teams that's going to be a big determining factor if he makes the team. Doubt they'll keep him on the 53 if he hasn't looked good on special teams. The best way for a 7th round RB to make a team is performing well on special teams.

 

[Reverend Conehead]

I'm a huge McFadden fan. I love how he came in last year with huge shoes to fill after the loss of Murray and did a bang-up job. He even had to understudy the underwear thief for a while before he got his chance. However, it does seem like Morris is a better fit, and Jackson is looking good and is younger. Reluctantly, I have to admit that McFadden probably won't be around. It's not his fault. He's done everything that has been asked of him and has been a team guy. I have no doubt that he'll be playing this season; it just won't be in a Cowboy uniform. Wherever he lands, I wish him all the best.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Dunbar has practiced but he's a much better receiver than a ball carrier and with him coming off a serious knee injury he's going to have a tough time making the 53. He's not a back you can lean on in the running game due to his lack of size. I've said all offseason it wouldn't surprise me if McFadden is released. With him being injured all summer he's going to be susceptible to a soft tissue injury when he returns and those have hampered him in the past primarily hamstrings. The Cowboys may feel this could end up being one of those injury plagued seasons for him. Zeke, Morris and McFadden look like a very strong rotation to me and if the final cuts were today those would be my backs. We have two 1000 yard backs who can carry the load and we know Zeke is capable of putting up big yards. You have to figure the plan for this season is to spread some of the carries, keeping one back fresh for the 4th quarter to help close out games.

We saw last night the defense is going to continue to be a liability so we're going to have to play keep away. As for Jackson he's going to be judged on how he's performed in preseason regardless that he hasn't played with our starting OL. It's going to come down to the final preseason game for him. If he breaks off some runs and has a great game, McFadden could be in serious trouble but if he doesn't produce I feel he'll end up on the practice squad unless the Cowboys go long at RB and keep four. Haven't noticed how Jackson has performed on special teams that's going to be a big determining factor if he makes the team. Doubt they'll keep him on the 53 if he hasn't looked good on special teams. The best way for a 7th round RB to make a team is performing well on special teams.

Jackson is a 6th round pick not a 7th......sorry don't see Mcfadden making the team. The way Jackson pass blocked last night shows he can do what Mcfadden does. Not only that he had a 6 yard per carry average against Seattle.

You say Mcfadden is your 3rd back if cuts were today haha so how will he produce when he can't even practice right now.

I'm willing to bet Jackson makes the roster

 

[KJJ]

Jackson is a 6th round pick not a 7th......sorry don't see Mcfadden making the team. The way Jackson pass blocked last night shows he can do what Mcfadden does. Not only that he had a 6 yard per carry average against Seattle.

You say Mcfadden is your 3rd back if cuts were today haha so how will he produce when he can't even practice right now.

I'm willing to bet Jackson makes the roster

A 6th or 7th round pick it makes no difference, Jackson was a low round pick and his roster spot will likely depend on his special teams play unless he lights it up as a ball carrier in the preseason finale. McFadden is a veteran back and it was posted a week ago that he's 2 weeks away from returning, if so he'll get several practices in before the season opener. I said if cuts were today I would keep him but the season opener isn't until Sept 11th. I'm not saying McFadden won't be cut it's possible but Jerry loves him and Jackson is going to have to impress next week either on special teams, running the football or both to push McFadden off the roster.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

A 6th or 7th round pick it makes no difference, Jackson was a low round pick and his roster spot will likely depend on his special teams play unless he lights it up as a ball carrier in the preseason finale. McFadden is a veteran back and it was posted a week ago that he's 2 weeks away from returning, if so he'll get several practices in before the season opener. I said if cuts were today I would keep him but the season opener isn't until Sept 11th. I'm not saying McFadden won't be cut it's possible but Jerry loves him and Jackson is going to have to impress next week either on special teams, running the football or both to push McFadden off the roster.

You said if cuts were today you would keep him? Mcfadden or Jackson cause if you're saying Mcfadden then he can't practice or play. Wasted spot.

That's fine you have the right to your opinion as I do. I watched Jackson every play last night and he played well. His pass blocking was pretty good, not on the level of Zeke or with as much aggression but he got where he needed to be. From what I have seen in 3 games I don't see how he doesn't make the roster. Being a vet doesn't mean anything when younger and cheaper options are available and can bring the same or more to the team.

Low round picks aren't always bad or cut. Brady was 6th round.....and by no means am I saying Jackson will have a Brady type career

 

[KJJ]

You said if cuts were today you would keep him? Mcfadden or Jackson cause if you're saying Mcfadden then he can't practice or play. Wasted spot.

That's fine you have the right to your opinion as I do. I watched Jackson every play last night and he played well. His pass blocking was pretty good, not on the level of Zeke or with as much aggression but he got where he needed to be. From what I have seen in 3 games I don't see how he doesn't make the roster. Being a vet doesn't mean anything when younger and cheaper options are available and can bring the same or more to the team.

Low round picks aren't always bad or cut. Brady was 6th round.....and by no means am I saying Jackson will have a Brady type career

I said if cuts were today I would keep McFadden. It was reported about a week ago he would be ready to practice in 2 weeks and if that's the case he shouldn't be much more than a week away from getting back on the field. Let's say he's ready by Sept 4 that's 9 days from today, that will still give him a week of practice before the opener. Jackson has played well but not to the point where he's assured himself of a roster spot at the expense of McFadden who led the team in rushing last season. Low round picks aren't always bad they can be very good but low round RBs that have 3 experienced backs ahead of them when all are healthy need to stand out on special teams to have a good shot at a roster spot. Jackson may make the team he has talent we'll just have to see what the Cowboys decide to do.

 

[DTown214]

I would dangle McFadden + Leary and try to get any help for the defense that we can get. If Morris and McFadden were both the same age and both weren't injury prone, I'd take DMC all day. But Morris is a year and a half younger and hasn't missed a game in his career. That's the difference to me.

 

[KJJ]

I would dangle McFadden + Leary and try to get any help for the defense that we can get. If Morris and McFadden were both the same age and both weren't injury prone, I'd take DMC all day. But Morris is a year and a half younger and hasn't missed a game in his career. That's the difference to me.

You won't get anything for McFadden he hasn't done anything in two months. Most teams will feel the Cowboys got everything out of him last season with him having a career high in carries. If the report that was posted on the board is wrong and he can't practice at all before the season starts then I think he'll be released. The Cowboys may have to make a tough decision with him.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I said if cuts were today I would keep McFadden. It was reported about a week ago he would be ready to practice in 2 weeks and if that's the case he shouldn't be much more than a week away from getting back on the field. Let's say he's ready by Sept 4 that's 9 days from today, that will still give him a week of practice before the opener. Jackson has played well but not to the point where he's assured himself of a roster spot at the expense of McFadden who led the team in rushing last season. Low round picks aren't always bad they can be very good but low round RBs that have 3 experienced backs ahead of them when all are healthy need to stand out on special teams to have a good shot at a roster spot. Jackson may make the team he has talent we'll just have to see what the Cowboys decide to do.

See to me it doesn't make sense. Mcfadden isn't ready, he is injuried and still on NFI. Until he is healthy then we have no clue when to see him on the field and if I'm making guys today for 53 man roster cutting Jackson to keep Mcfadden makes no sense at all. Having only 2 backs when we need to run the ball is a terrible idea.

But anyways each to his own

 

[TwoDeep3]

I caught a segment on ESPN yesterday talking about the Cowboys. Merrill Hoge was breaking down the offensive line play in the Miami game as an example of how good this line is. He chose the play where Morris ran for fifteen yards and the TD. The camera angle was from behind the Dallas line so you could see Morris using his blocking.

Center and left guard took out the right defensive tackle in a double team. Zach and Free took on the other defensive tackle pushing him slightly to the right when Zach got to the second level and a linebacker..

They froze the screen at this point. Hoge pointed out two gaping holes for the running back, making the comment it was runner's choice and how great the line was dominating.

But then he showed something Morris understood. Morris chose the middle hole and tucked in behind Zach and Free. He used them as a shield, which caused the defensive tackle engaged by the left guard and Fred Beard to slide up the line of scrimmage. That tackle was still engaged and when he moved laterally, Morris allowed the linemen to cover him and broke the ball left around them.

This gave him the lane to the endzone, and all he needed do was skip out of the ankle grasp of the defensive end who was diving at him.

Hoge suggested this would be something Morris will teach Zeke in patience. Not sure Zeke doesn't have patience now.

But this run showcased Morris' understanding of he protection and how to exploit it.

I've never been a RunDMC fan. I have never seen him wait on his blocking either. Doesn't mean he doesn't do it. But I see McFadden as a find a hole and use speed. Morris has some speed, but he also has power and a great eye for daylight.

I do not believe these two guys are equal at all.

 

[KJJ]

See to me it doesn't make sense. Mcfadden isn't ready, he is injuried and still on NFI. Until he is healthy then we have no clue when to see him on the field and if I'm making guys today for 53 man roster cutting Jackson to keep Mcfadden makes no sense at all. Having only 2 backs when we need to run the ball is a terrible idea.

But anyways each to his own

McFadden isn't ready now but we still have 15 days until the start of the season and like I mentioned according to a report a week ago he was 2 weeks away from returning. If the report is correct that will give McFadden more than a week of practice before the season opener and he'll be ready to contribute. However, if the report was wrong and it's looking like he won't be ready until after the season starts I would release him if cuts were today. The Cowboys should have a pretty good idea as of today if McFadden is on schedule to be ready to practice soon. You seem to think Jackson sewed up a roster spot the other night and pushed McFadden off. Jackson only had 5 carries for 30 yards and one catch for 9 yards. For the entire preseason he's had 31 carries for 120 yards, averaging 3.9 a carry and 2 receptions for 24 yards.

Not bad numbers but certainly not good enough to lock up a roster spot after 3 preseason games and push a veteran back off the roster who started last season and put up almost 1100 yards. Jackson still has some work ahead of him and is likely to get extended playing time in the preseason finale. Let's say he plays terrible rushing for only 35 yards on 15 carries and loses a fumble. Do you still think he makes the final 53 at the expense of McFadden if he's healthy and ready to practice prior to the opener? Jackson has looked pretty good and has potential but he hasn't locked up a roster spot, it's going to come down to his performance next week and McFadden's availability for the opener. Nowhere can I find an article or have heard anyone speculating that McFadden could possibly be released that's all coming from us on this board.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

McFadden isn't ready now but we still have 15 days until the start of the season and like I mentioned according to a report a week ago he was 2 weeks away from returning. If the report is correct that will give McFadden more than a week of practice before the season opener and he'll be ready to contribute. However, if the report was wrong and it's looking like he won't be ready until after the season starts I would release him if cuts were today. The Cowboys should have a pretty good idea as of today if McFadden is on schedule to be ready to practice soon. You seem to think Jackson sewed up a roster spot the other night and pushed McFadden off. Jackson only had 5 carries for 30 yards and one catch for 9 yards. For the entire preseason he's had 31 carries for 120 yards, averaging 3.9 a carry and 2 receptions for 24 yards.

Not bad numbers but certainly not good enough to lock up a roster spot after 3 preseason games and push a veteran back off the roster who started last season and put up almost 1100 yards. Jackson still has some work ahead of him and is likely to get extended playing time in the preseason finale. Let's say he plays terrible rushing for only 35 yards on 15 carries and loses a fumble. Do you still think he makes the final 53 at the expense of McFadden if he's healthy and ready to practice prior to the opener? Jackson has looked pretty good and has potential but he hasn't locked up a roster spot, it's going to come down to his performance next week and McFadden's availability for the opener. Nowhere can I find an article or have heard anyone speculating that McFadden could possibly be released that's all coming from us on this board.

Yes I would still keep Jackson. His pass blocking doesn't come up in the stat sheet but doesn't mean he didn't do it well. He also had a 20 yard run with the starting OL that would have bumped his numbers up even more if not for a bogus holding call. He also can contribute in special teams. Mcfadden skill set isn't so special that I would keep him over Jackson at this point especially when he isn't even practicing. I need healthy guys and you can't go into the season wanting to run the ball like we want to with 2 backs and that's it

 

[KJJ]

Yes I would still keep Jackson. His pass blocking doesn't come up in the stat sheet but doesn't mean he didn't do it well. He also had a 20 yard run with the starting OL that would have bumped his numbers up even more if not for a bogus holding call. He also can contribute in special teams. Mcfadden skill set isn't so special that I would keep him over Jackson at this point especially when he isn't even practicing. I need healthy guys and you can't go into the season wanting to run the ball like we want to with 2 backs and that's it

We may go long at RB because Romo's only chance to stay healthy is a consistent running game and we're going to have to keep the defense off the field. If Jackson has looked good on special teams the Cowboys could possibly keep 4 backs. We could keep one fresh as a closer heading into the 4th quarter because our D is going to have a tough time protecting leads. There isn't anything special about McFadden and he could be on the verge of having an injury plagued season. There's a lot of things the coaches are going to have to mull over when making the final roster cuts. You may keep Jackson if he doesn't perform well in preseason finale but the Cowboys won't if McFadden is ready to contribute in the opener.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

We may go long at RB because Romo's only chance to stay healthy is a consistent running game and we're going to have to keep the defense off the field. If Jackson has looked good on special teams the Cowboys could possibly keep 4 backs. We could keep one fresh as a closer heading into the 4th quarter because our D is going to have a tough time protecting leads. There isn't anything special about McFadden and he could be on the verge of having an injury plagued season. There's a lot of things the coaches are going to have to mull over when making the final roster cuts. You may keep Jackson if he doesn't perform well in preseason finale but the Cowboys won't if McFadden is ready to contribute in the opener.

Your speculating. Up to now the games that have been played Jackson gets the 3rd spot. Many things can happen between now and then but like it or not Jackson is 3rd right now

 

[KJJ]

Your speculating. Up to now the games that have been played Jackson gets the 3rd spot. Many things can happen between now and then but like it or not Jackson is 3rd right now

We're all speculating. You're speculating that Jackson has already sewed up a roster spot pushing McFadden off the roster. That may end up being the case but it's all going to come down to Jackson's performance in the preseason finale and the health/availability of McFadden for the opener. Of course Jackson is 3rd right now McFadden has been hurt. Jackson would be the 4th back If McFadden hadn't gotten injured. McFadden being out 2 months has given Jackson a great opportunity.

 

[CyberB0b]

They don't have to do anything with McFadden until week 6.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

We're all speculating. You're speculating that Jackson has already sewed up a roster spot pushing McFadden off the roster. That may end up being the case but it's all going to come down to Jackson's performance in the preseason finale and the health/availability of McFadden for the opener. Of course Jackson is 3rd right now McFadden has been hurt. Jackson would be the 4th back If McFadden hadn't gotten injured. McFadden being out 2 months has given Jackson a great opportunity.

How you gonna say I'm speculating about Jackson being 3rd then later say of course he is 3rd because Mcfadden is hurt? Do you argue just to argue.

Fact: if McFadden isn't healthy to practice this will Jackson will make 53 no matter how he performs in the game.

Morris had 5 carries for 17 yards.....with the starters in the same game Jackson had 5 carries 30 yards but nobody believes he is better then Morris cause he isn't. He has the potential to be deadly especially with starting OL evidence by his 20 yard run against Miami. Jackson has improved his pass blocking evident by the game against Seattle. He can do everything Mcfadden can plus play special teams and can get better. Mcfadden isn't healthy, ageing, doesn't fit the scheme, past his prime so won't get better only decline, doesn't play special teams and cost more.

With Morris you are cover if injury happens to Zeke. Jackson can backup Morris or Zeke if injury happens. Mcfadden can't back anybody up cause he can't even practice cause he is injuried.....this isn't rocket science

 

[KJJ]

How you gonna say I'm speculating about Jackson being 3rd then later say of course he is 3rd because Mcfadden is hurt? Do you argue just to argue.

Fact: if McFadden isn't healthy to practice this will Jackson will make 53 no matter how he performs in the game.

Morris had 5 carries for 17 yards.....with the starters in the same game Jackson had 5 carries 30 yards but nobody believes he is better then Morris cause he isn't. He has the potential to be deadly especially with starting OL evidence by his 20 yard run against Miami. Jackson has improved his pass blocking evident by the game against Seattle. He can do everything Mcfadden can plus play special teams and can get better. Mcfadden isn't healthy, ageing, doesn't fit the scheme, past his prime so won't get better only decline, doesn't play special teams and cost more.

With Morris you are cover if injury happens to Zeke. Jackson can backup Morris or Zeke if injury happens. Mcfadden can't back anybody up cause he can't even practice cause he is injuried.....this isn't rocket science

You're speculating that Jackson's performance the other night secured a roster spot for him and pushed McFadden off the team. That's pure speculation on your part. You're the one who keeps arguing just to argue. IF McFadden isn't ready to practice by the start of the regular season then he'll likely be released in favor of Jackson, unless Jackson has an awful game in the preseason finale. A terrible performance by Jackson next week is not going to secure him a roster spot in favor of McFadden who's almost recovered from a broken arm. He hasn't beaten McFadden out, he's the 3rd back only because McFadden has been out with an injury. No one knows if Jackson can do everything McFadden can do against starters during the regular season. He's played mostly against backups this preseason.

As for Morris he was going up against the Legion of Boom, many of Seattle's starters were out when Jackson came in. You keep saying McFadden can't practice but he's scheduled to practice prior to the start of the season and be ready to go. What's so hard for you to understand about that? The season doesn't start next week we still have 15 days! If Zeke gets hurt the Cowboys have to feel comfortable that Jackson can do everything required to protect Romo, spell Morris and make some plays as a receiver. There's still an outside chance Dunbar could be back. There's decisions the Cowboys will have to make at RB and nothing is set right now.