McFadden vs Morris

[CalPolyTechnique]

The only one speaking out their arse is you and you've been doing it throughout this discussion. I've addressed EVERYTHING and have repeated a lot of it. None of those QBs I've mentioned are any good or were any good. They've all bounced around the league and Jason Campbell is out of the league. In 2010 in Oakland, Campbell completed less than 60% of his passes and had 9 turnovers and only 13 TD's in his 12 starts. Gradkowski who you continue to leave out because he SUCKED in 2010 completed only 53% of his passes and only tossed 5 TD's compared to 8 turnovers in his 4 starts in 2010. You've left out Gradkowski and Weeden's numbers because it blows everything you're saying apart.

Campbell and Gradkowski are the QBs McFadden had when he produced 1157 yards and 10 TD's in 14 games. You made a big deal about McFadden not having an elite receiver in Dez for several games but in Oakland in 2010 he had virtually nothing at WR. Dude, he didn't have near the OL in Oakland that he ran behind last season but he was a better player 6 years ago with great speed. He's not the player he was back then and you could clearly see it on several plays last season. As for Adrian Peterson You could put any QB in the lineup and it won't stop him from producing and the CRAP QBs he's played with are proof of it. Teams are geared to stop him every week and he still produces.

Miss Spoken,

It's all relative my dimly-lit friend. Campbell wasn't a world-beater, but when comparing him to Matt Cassel (you know, the guy you think is an All-Pro), he was light years better in providing consistent QB play.

Again, you're embarrassing yourself claiming Matt Cassel provided better QB play than Campbell in 2010. Keep in mind YOU BROUGHT UP THE COMPARISON. Now you're trying to parse it up and run from it.

Jason Campbell
329/194 (att/comp.)
59% completion pct.
13 TDs/8 INTs
84.5 QB rating
183 Passing YPG
7-5 (W/L record as starting QB)

Matt Cassel
204/119 (att/comp.)
58.3% completion pct.
5 TDs/7 INTs
70.6 QB rating
141 Passing YPG
1-6 (W/L record as starting QB)

In what way was Cassel better than Campbell? Go ahead little one...

 

[KJJ]

That my friends is textbook playin' yourself.

What you're doing is textbook digging a huge hole for yourself. Thanks for the laughs.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

What you're doing is textbook digging a huge hole for yourself. Thanks for the laughs.

Miss Spoken,

You don't have to live life so cowardly. Just answer the question. In what way was Matt Cassel better than Jason Campbell? Focus now. Answer the question.

Jason Campbell
329/194 (att/comp.)
59% completion pct.
13 TDs/8 INTs
84.5 QB rating
183 Passing YPG
7-5 (W/L record as starting QB)

Matt Cassel
204/119 (att/comp.)
58.3% completion pct.
5 TDs/7 INTs
70.6 QB rating
141 Passing YPG
1-6 (W/L record as starting QB)

 

[KJJ]

Miss Spoken,

It's all relative my dimly-lit friend. Campbell wasn't a world-beater, but when comparing him to Matt Cassel (you know, the guy you think is an All-Pro), he was light years better in providing consistent QB play.

Again, you're embarrassing yourself claiming Matt Cassel provided better QB play than Campbell in 2010. Keep in mind YOU BROUGHT UP THE COMPARISON. Now you're trying to parse it up and run from it.

Jason Campbell
329/194 (att/comp.)
59% completion pct.
13 TDs/8 INTs
84.5 QB rating
183 Passing YPG
7-5 (W/L record as starting QB)

Matt Cassel
204/119 (att/comp.)
58.3% completion pct.
5 TDs/7 INTs
70.6 QB rating
141 Passing YPG
1-6 (W/L record as starting QB)

In what way was Cassel better than Campbell? Go ahead little one...

Dude, I pointed out the "combination" of Cassel and Weeden were better than the combination of Campbell and Gradkowski and you keep avoiding it because it doesn't fit with your agenda. The only one who's embarrassing themselves is you. You claimed I went back and changed a post you quoted.

 

[KJJ]

Miss Spoken,

You don't have to live life so cowardly.

Now you're making it personal. Better watch out or you might get this account terminated.

 

[KJJ]

In what way was Matt Cassel better than Jason Campbell? Focus now. Answer the question.

Jason Campbell
329/194 (att/comp.)
59% completion pct.
13 TDs/8 INTs
84.5 QB rating
183 Passing YPG
7-5 (W/L record as starting QB)

Matt Cassel
204/119 (att/comp.)
58.3% completion pct.
5 TDs/7 INTs
70.6 QB rating
141 Passing YPG
1-6 (W/L record as starting QB)

I never said Cassel was better than Campbell, I said the combination of Cassel and Weeden last season were better than the combination of Campbell and Gradkowski in Oakland in 2010. You either can't read or have an agenda. If anyone needs focus it's you. You're making yourself look ridiculous with little help from me. Lol

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Dude, I pointed out the "combination" of Cassel and Weeden were better than the combination of Campbell and Gradkowski and you keep avoiding it because it doesn't fit with your agenda. The only one who's embarrassing themselves is you. You claimed I went back and changed a post you quoted.

Miss Spoken,

Thanks for the clarification. You played yourself again.

Campbell + Gradkowski
3,446 yards
18 TDs/15 INTs

Cassel + Weeden
2,014 yards
7 TDs/9 INTs

Your world-beating combo of Cassel & Weeden could only come up with barely 2,000 yards in 13 games.

Uh-oh, better start looking for a different season and start a new diversion!

 

[Irvin88_4life]

The only one speaking out their arse is you and you've been doing it throughout this discussion. I've addressed EVERYTHING and have repeated a lot of it. None of those QBs I've mentioned are any good or were any good. They've all bounced around the league and Jason Campbell is out of the league. In 2010 in Oakland, Campbell completed less than 60% of his passes and had 9 turnovers and only 13 TD's in his 12 starts. Gradkowski who you continue to leave out because he SUCKED in 2010 completed only 53% of his passes and only tossed 5 TD's compared to 8 turnovers in his 4 starts in 2010. You've left out Gradkowski and Weeden's numbers because it blows everything you're saying apart.

Campbell and Gradkowski are the QBs McFadden had when he produced 1157 yards and 10 TD's in 14 games. You made a big deal about McFadden not having an elite receiver in Dez for several games but in Oakland in 2010 he had virtually nothing at WR. Dude, he didn't have near the OL in Oakland that he ran behind last season but he was a better player 6 years ago with great speed. He's not the player he was back then and you could clearly see it on several plays last season. As for Adrian Peterson you could put any QB in the lineup and it won't stop him from producing and the CRAP QBs he's played with are proof of it. Teams are geared to stop him every week and he still produces.

That's the point right there that destroys this Mcfadden debate. Good to great backs produce no matter who the QB is. You can have quincy Carter at QB and AP will produce.

Look at Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson....they both won superbowls (great defense) but had a decent run game.

 

[KJJ]

Miss Spoken,

You played yourself again.

Campbell + Gradkowski
3,446 yards
18 TDs/15 INTs

Cassel + Weeden
2,014 yards
7 TDs/9 INTs

Which QB combo moved the ball more effectively and helped the offense through the air?

You're playing yourself because nothing costs a team more games than turnovers especially by the QB and Campbell/Gradkowski combined for 17 turnovers in 2010 compared to 9 turnovers for Cassel/Weeden last season. Stats don't tell the entire story but when a QB combo combines for almost double the turnovers of another QB combo that's all I need to tell me which QB combo I would rather have. What little success Campbell/Gradkowski had was due to opponents gearing to try and stop McFadden who was a dangerous back with great speed 6 years ago.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Miss Spoken,

Thanks for the clarification. You played yourself again.

Campbell + Gradkowski
3,446 yards
18 TDs/15 INTs

Cassel + Weeden
2,014 yards
7 TDs/9 INTs

Your world-beating combo of Cassel & Weeden could only come up with barely 2,000 yards in 13 games.

Uh-oh, better start looking for a different season and start a new diversion!

That's not fair though Oakland duo played 16 games which was 6 games more then Cassell and Weeden.

 

[KJJ]

That's the point right there that destroys this Mcfadden debate. Good to great backs produce no matter who the QB is. You can have quincy Carter at QB and AP will produce.

Look at Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson....they both won superbowls (great defense) but had a decent run game.

When Jamal Lewis rushed for 2066 yards in 2003 he had Kyle Boller and Anthony Wright as his QBs. Boller's passer rating was 62.4 and Wright's was 72.3. Let CalPoly chew on that!

 

[KJJ]

Miss Spoken,

Thanks for the clarification. You played yourself again.

Campbell + Gradkowski
3,446 yards
18 TDs/15 INTs

Cassel + Weeden
2,014 yards
7 TDs/9 INTs

Your world-beating combo of Cassel & Weeden could only come up with barely 2,000 yards in 13 games.

Uh-oh, better start looking for a different season and start a new diversion!

Like Irvin88 pointed out Campbell/Gradkowski played 6 more games than Weeden/Cassel which inflated their numbers more...foiled again!

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Now you're making it personal. Better watch out or you might get this account terminated.

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You're playing yourself because nothing costs a team more games than turnovers especially by the QB and Campbell/Gradkowski combined for 17 turnovers in 2010 compared to 9 turnovers for Cassel/Weeden last season. Stats don't tell the entire story but when a QB combo combines for almost double the turnovers of another QB combo that's all I need to tell me which QB combo I would rather have. What little success Campbell/Gradkowski had was due to opponents gearing to try and stop McFadden who was a dangerous back with great speed 6 years ago.

Well, being of limited capacity I can see how you would be mistaken in believing that.

Question...does every turnover automatically result in a score for the opposing team?

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Like Irvin88 pointed out Campbell/Gradkowski played 6 more games than Weeden/Cassel which inflated their numbers more...foiled again!

Miss Spoken

Did you wanna include Kellen Moore's numbers too?

Fantastic!

Weeden/Moore/Cassel
2,793 yards
11 TDs/15 INTs

Campbell + Gradkowski
3,446 yards
18 TDs/15 INTs

That almost slipped by me. Thanks for playin' yourself again!

 

[KJJ]

Well, being of limited capacity I can see how you would be mistaken in believing that.

Question...does every turnover automatically result in a score for the opposing team?

Limited capacity? Look who's talking the guy who claimed I changed a post he quoted and can't prove it. Lol Every turnover costs you a scoring opportunity and gives your opponent an extra possession. A turnover puts your defense back on the field. Nothing costs a team more games than turnovers especially by their QB.

 

[8FOR!3]

I don't see why we can't try to fit Jackson on the training camp roster. He doesn't look like he'd get picked up right away. Why does it hurt to have the extra depth with McFadden. God forbid Zeke goes down, are you comfortable with Morris/Dunbar? Maybe, but I'd be more comfortable with McFadden. Nothing wrong with a little RB depth. Tennessee might trot out Murray, Henry, Andrews, McCluster, and Sankey at different points this year. Considering last year I'd at least give DMC a roster spot for now. Be open to trading him though.

 

[KJJ]

Miss Spoken

Did you wanna include Kellen Moore's numbers too?

Fantastic! The combo of Weeden/Moore/Cassel combined for 11 TDs and 15 INTs

That almost slipped by me. Thanks for playin' yourself again!

If you include Kellen Moore's numbers you would have to add 779 more yards and 4 more TD's. If you add Romo's numbers last season that would be another 884 yards and 5 TD's you would have to add which further proves that McFadden had a better QB situation with the Cowboys last season than he had in Oakland in 2010....Chew on that!

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Limited capacity? Look who's talking the guy who claimed I changed a post he quoted and can't prove it. Lol Every turnover costs you a scoring opportunity and gives your opponent an extra possession. A turnover puts your defense back on the field. Nothing costs a team more games than turnovers especially by their QB.

Miss Spoken,

Look again....Cassel/Weeden/Moore combined for 15 INTs.

Beyond turnover totals. When you look at their passing numbers, they were completely inept at throwing the ball and moving the offense efficiently

 

[KJJ]

Miss Spoken

Listen to you the one who claimed I changed a post you quoted. You Miss Spoke.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

If you include Kellen Moore's numbers you would have to add 779 more yards and 4 more TD's. If you add Romo's numbers last season that would be another 884 yards and 5 TD's you would have to add which further proves that McFadden had a better QB situation with the Cowboys last season than he had in Oakland in 2010....Chew on that!

Miss Spoken,

I'm sorry to inform you that you played yourself again.

"Dude, I pointed out the "combination" of Cassel and Weeden were better than the combination of Campbell and Gradkowski and you keep avoiding it because it doesn't fit with your agenda."

Irony and hypocrisy...the hallmarks of message board punching bags.