McFadden vs Morris

Morris is tougher. He has experience in the scheme.

McFadden was a reclamation project that prompted us to retrofit our scheme to fit what he does.

Nice that he did okay, but how anyone can sit there and place faith in McFadden over Morris is just crazy talk to me.

You can watch Morris make runs right now that McFadden could never make.

Well, that is not fair. Alfred actually plays in preseason.

He does not sit out with a hammy or broken elbow.
 
fairviewfarmer said:
I'm hoping there Is enough cap room to keep both....but there probably isn't
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There isn't and even if there was, why?

What does McFadden do that no other back does?

I am no Dunbar fan, but I take him over McFadden simply because of role definition.
 
Alexander said:
There isn't and even if there was, why?

What does McFadden do that no other back does?

I am no Dunbar fan, but I take him over McFadden simply because of role definition.
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there is plenty of cap space.....we are 10m under right now and McFadden's 2m and Dunbar's 1m are already accounted for
 
bkight13 said:
there is plenty of cap space.....we are 10m under right now and McFadden's 2m and Dunbar's 1m are already accounted for
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And that is all nice. So you spend it because it is "accounted for"?

"Not needed" does not come into the equation?
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
So what you're saying is there are apparently valid reasons why Morris' TD numbers went down. I could buy that.

Yet, there's no consideration as to how not having Romo under center (or Dez in the offense) impacted McFadden's scoring opportunities in the red zone? McFadden had 30 less red zone opportunities in 2015 than Murray did in 2014 with a healthy Romo; when your offense can't move the ball between the 20s or convert 3rd downs, you're not going to have a whole lotta scoring opportunities.
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Not having a QB or an elite WR didn't seem to have an affect on McFadden's TD production in 2010 in Oakland. Despite playing in 14 games and having a crap QB situation, behind an OL not nearly as good as the one he had with the Cowboys last season McFadden put up almost 1200 rushing yards and scored 10 TD's. He had a "career high" in carries last season behind arguably the best OL in the league and averaged under 4.0 a carry in 8 games. He was part of the reason the Cowboys were the worst team in the league as of the second week in Dec on 3rd and one. He played in 4 games with Romo and averaged under 4.0 a carry in 3 of those games. Against Carolina with Romo AND Dez on the field McFadden had his worst game of the season averaging 1.1 a carry on 10 carries. In his first 7 carries he took losses on 3 of them putting the game on Romo's shoulders which contributed to him being knocked out for the season. Neither Carolina or anyone else feared McFadden who no longer possess great speed. He's stiff out in space and isn't a game changer. He's not near the back he was in 2010 which is why the Cowboys signed Morris and drafted Zeke.

As for Morris he had 3 straight 1000 yards seasons averaging around 4.5 per carry despite RG3's struggles in years 2 and 3. While Morris was putting up 29 TD's his first 4 seasons McFadden only produced 12 TD's. There was an article I posted pointing out all the changes Washington made to their offense as they transitioned away from RG3 that affected Morris's production. They got away from some of the zone blocking schemes that made Morris so effective. He's a very good runner between the tackles because of his great vision. He makes defenders miss and knows how to get the ball in the end zone. He's a solid back who will be terrific behind our OL. He may not put up the big yards because Zeke will get the brunt of the carries but he'll make the most out of his opportunities and he'll put some points on the board. I'm surprised Washington let him go, they may end up regretting it.
 
KJJ said:
Not having a QB or an elite WR didn't seem to have an affect on McFadden's TD production in 2010 in Oakland. Despite playing in 14 games and having a crap QB situation, behind an OL not nearly as good as the one he had with the Cowboys last season McFadden put up almost 1200 rushing yards and scored 10 TD's. He had a "career high" in carries last season behind arguably the best OL in the league and averaged under 4.0 a carry in 8 games. He was part of the reason the Cowboys were the worst team in the league as of the second week in Dec on 3rd and one. He played in 4 games with Romo and averaged under 4.0 a carry in 3 of those games. Against Carolina with Romo AND Dez on the field McFadden had his worst game of the season averaging 1.1 a carry on 10 carries. In his first 7 carries he took losses on 3 of them putting the game on Romo's shoulders which contributed to him being knocked out for the season. Neither Carolina or anyone else feared McFadden who no longer possess great speed. He's stiff out in space and isn't a game changer. He's not near the back he was in 2010 which is why the Cowboys signed Morris and drafted Zeke.

As for Morris he had 3 straight 1000 yards seasons averaging around 4.5 per carry despite RG3's struggles in years 2 and 3. While Morris was putting up 29 TD's his first 4 seasons McFadden only produced 12 TD's. There was an article I posted pointing out all the changes Washington made to their offense as they transitioned away from RG3 that affected Morris's production. They got away from some of the zone blocking schemes that made Morris so effective. He's a very good runner between the tackles because of his great vision. He makes defenders miss and knows how to get the ball in the end zone. He's a solid back who will be terrific behind our OL. He may not put up the big yards because Zeke will get the brunt of the carries but he'll make the most out of his opportunities and he'll put some points on the board. I'm surprised Washington let him go, they may end up regretting it.
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Even with that year McFadden's average per year scoring TDs is 3.5.....Morris average per year is 7.5 despite only getting 1 TD last year.

Morris has had more 1,000 yard seasons then Mcfadden and has played half as many years.

I'm ready to move on from Mcfadden and go with Zeke, Morris, Jackson and Dunbar
 
As was posted why keep a back that does not fit the blocking scheme. If Jackson is as bad as many want to think he provides the same level of production in the ZBS as DMC and is younger, and plays ST. DMC is the proverbial square peg in a round hole, fits but does not fit totally.
 
Irvin88_4life said:
Even with that year McFadden's average per year scoring TDs is 3.5.....Morris average per year is 7.5 despite only getting 1 TD last year.

Morris has had more 1,000 yard seasons then Mcfadden and has played half as many years.

I'm ready to move on from Mcfadden and go with Zeke, Morris, Jackson and Dunbar
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I don't get the love some have for McFadden, it's like they still see the same back that came out of Arkansas eight years ago. Any average back could have done what he did behind our OL last season.
 
I've heard many on the board say that if Romo played a full season McFadden would have produced more yards and TD's. I'm not buying that for a second and the reasons are endless as to why. I already mentioned that in the 4 games Romo started McFadden averaged under 4.0 per carry in 3 of those games. The worst game McFadden had last season was in a game Romo started vs Carolina. The best rushing averages McFadden had last season were with Matt Cassel and Kellen Moore at QB. Our QB situation was so bad we had to lean on the run which gave McFadden a career high in carries despite the fact he didn't become the starter until week 7.

Had Romo played the entire season the Cowboys would have leaned more on him and the passing game, that was apparent in the first 2 games where he attempted 45 passes in the opener and was on pace for another 40 plus attempts in week 2 before he was injured. Romo's 45 attempts in the opener were more than he had in any game in 2014. When the Cowboys still had an outside chance at the playoffs Cassel attempted fewer than 30 passes in 6 of those games. We allowed Kellen Moore to wing it in the season finale because our season was over and the Cowboys wanted to see what he could do.
 
Alexander said:
Spell it out, sunshine.

And I am not talking about a scouting report from when he came out.

Use what he has done as a professional in totality.
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Great. Because I'm almost sure you were gonna try to say Zeke is the most complete/proven RB on the roster.

McFadden has proven himself a capable pass protector in the backfield; is Dunbar to be trusted with that? He's a very good receiver coming out of the backfield with more than 250 receptions (Morris has just 47).
 
KJJ said:
I don't get the love some have for McFadden, it's like they still see the same back that came out of Arkansas eight years ago. Any average back could have done what he did behind our OL last season.
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I really don't either. It's absurd in my opinion that people want to keep Mcfadden over Morris, Jackson etc.

We know what Mcfadden is, he won't improve and past his prime. Give me a guy like Morris, Jackson and Dunbar that haven't hit their peak yet. Who knows Jackson might end up the best RB in the roster, maybe he never gets 1 yard but he has potential
 
KJJ said:
I've heard many on the board say that if Romo played a full season McFadden would have produced more yards and TD's. I'm not buying that for a second and the reasons are endless as to why. I already mentioned that in the 4 games Romo started McFadden averaged under 4.0 per carry in 3 of those games. The worst game McFadden had last season was in a game Romo started vs Carolina. The best rushing averages McFadden had last season were with Matt Cassel and Kellen Moore at QB. Our QB situation was so bad we had to lean on the run which gave McFadden a career high in carries despite the fact he didn't become the starter until week 7.
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First off, Romo didn't actually play in four complete games. He played in just two complete games (Giants and Dolphins). Secondly, McFadden wasn't even playing as the starter until Week 6. Thirdly, you bring up McFadden's "worst" game against Carolina with Romo, but fail to mention that Romo, prior to injury his collarbone (again), was having a horrific game in which he went 11 for 21, 106 yards and 3 INTs in a 14-33 loss.

Finally, you know enough to point out the fact that we leaned on McFadden while Romo was out and were getting ZERO from the Weeden and Cassell, but you refuse to see McFadden performed very well despite teams playing the run and daring us to throw while Romo & Dez were out.

Had Romo played the entire season the Cowboys would have leaned more on him and the passing game, that was apparent in the first 2 games where he attempted 45 passes in the opener and was on pace for another 40 plus attempts in week 2 before he was injured. Romo's 45 attempts in the opener were more than he had in any game in 2014. When the Cowboys still had an outside chance at the playoffs Cassel attempted fewer than 30 passes in 6 of those games. We allowed Kellen Moore to wing it in the season finale because our season was over and the Cowboys wanted to see what he could do.
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Lol, yeah. What possibly could be your point?

How are you not seeing the logical extension of Romo playing and being part of the offensive attack? A healthy Romo can move the offense efficiently, force teams to play honest, convert 3rd downs, put the team in the red zone (giving guys like DMAC more opportunities to score), et cetera.

If you think DeMarco Murray has the year he did in 2014 with Matt Cassel or Weeden at the helm instead of Romo, you're nuts.
 
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Irvin88_4life said:
I really don't either. It's absurd in my opinion that people want to keep Mcfadden over Morris, Jackson etc.

We know what Mcfadden is, he won't improve and past his prime. Give me a guy like Morris, Jackson and Dunbar that haven't hit their peak yet. Who knows Jackson might end up the best RB in the roster, maybe he never gets 1 yard but he has potential
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Meanwhile, Morris is 27, coming off a 1 TD season, 3.7 YPC and you still think he's the guy playing with RGIII from 2012.

Morris may be a better fit for this scheme, but the reasons as to why McFadden's 2015 wasn't supposedly good are flatly dumb.
 
McFadden doesn't have a role here anymore. He's not going to start. He's not going to backup. He's not going to be the 3rd down back. He's not going to play special teams.

I don't see how he stays with the team. We have a dependable, durable backup RB in Morris and an electrifying RB/WR in Dunbar. And we have our (hopefully) all-star bellcow in Zeke. The job is clearly spoken for.

McFadden had a good year last year. It's OK to admit that. But to ignore the reality of our current roster is ridiculous. As soon as we drafted Zeke, McFadden became expendable.
 
The Cowboys could only use McFadden effectively on inside zone plays last year. While he was very effective when they started to tailor the system to him, Morris is a pure zone runner that can run outside and inside zones. He's also shown quality play as a receiver. He's not Marshall Faulk out of the backfield by any stretch, but he's very competent catching the ball and likely a better blitz pickup.

Even if the production was the same from DMC vs. Morris, Morris' ability to run inside and outside zones could set things up down the road and allow us to be a much better short yardage team than last season.





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Dunbar blows out a knee every year....Zeke has yet to take a hit or a real carry, Morris is so special, the Skins or any other team didn't want him....Jackson has looks ok....but this preseason...DMC is healthy the past 3 full seasons, never hurt is knee...is doing conditioning work and should be ready for the season...You try to get rid of you best rb from last season....and still the fastest back you have...is a mistake they won't make...
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
Who is the most proven complete RB on the roster?
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In the NFL, it's Alfred Morris by a mile. He's put up the same numbers as McFadden, but in half the years played.

But Zeke Elliott is far and away the most complete back on this team. Phenomenal inside and outside runner, catches the ball like a receiver, terrific pass protector, didn't fumble once last year, can actually block like a fullback.....
 
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