Medical literature on nerve regeneration statistics and J Smith

[Nightman]

Paying has nothing to do with accrual

Accrued Seasons

Accrued Seasons determine a player’s free agency designations (Art. 8, Sec. 1, 34).


The faster one accrues seasons the faster they can reach free agency, where, especially given the addition of the Rookie Compensation Pool, the bigger money is. If a player hits free agency at a young enough age, they could secure two or three large contracts through free agency.



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[AbeBeta]

Accrued Seasons

Accrued Seasons determine a player’s free agency designations (Art. 8, Sec. 1, 34).


The faster one accrues seasons the faster they can reach free agency, where, especially given the addition of the Rookie Compensation Pool, the bigger money is. If a player hits free agency at a young enough age, they could secure two or three large contracts through free agency.



In order to accrue a season, a player must be on (or should have been on) full pay status for six or more regular season games.

Nice. Thanks for clarification

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I posted all of that stuff near 6 months ago. I also posted percentages I put on his recovery using the nonsurgical intervention times and was attacked by certain posters here incessantly.

I'm pretty sure that I also posted that article.

 

[waldoputty]

I posted all of that stuff near 6 months ago. I also posted percentages I put on his recovery using the nonsurgical intervention times and was attacked by certain posters here incessantly.

I'm pretty sure that I also posted that article.

Fuzzy, may be it is because I am more handsome?
Or perhaps as they say, you loosened it up for me
Actually with all the recent Jaylon posts, some may have gotten sick of arguing over it.

Seriously, did you define most of the terms?
I actually got the experts' help to figure out a couple things in the article.

Do you have any different statistics on a surgery procedure that is even a closer match to what happened?
What do you mean by non-surgical intervention times?
I am curious.

Would you mind sending a link or something to help me find your posts?
Thanks

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Fuzzy, may be it is because I am more handsome?
Or perhaps as they say, you loosen it up for me
Actually with all the recent Jaylon posts, some may have gotten sick of arguing over it.

Seriously, did you define most of the terms?
I actually got the experts' help to figure out a couple things in the article.

Do you have any different statics on a surgery procedure that is even a closer match to what happened?
What do you mean by non-surgical intervention times?
I am curious.

Would you mind sending a link or something to help me find your posts?
Thanks

Love
WP

The grafts and neurolysis are surgical interventions. You take the other recoveries and voila nonsurgical recovery times. I went through nerve anatomy and types of nerve injuries etc. Determined he likely had a type 2 injury from Cooper's comment about the sheathe being intact.

I don't care if you wrote about the same thing. I just remember stating that I thought it was as likely as not that the nerve would start firing this year and was attacked incessantly by people telling me that I was not an expert, tried to talk smart, and all manner of anti-intellectual nonsense.

 

[waldoputty]

The grafts and neurolysis are surgical interventions. You take the other recoveries and voila nonsurgical recovery times. I went through nerve anatomy and types of nerve injuries etc. Determined he likely had a type 2 injury from Cooper's comment about the sheathe being intact.

Could you please explain in more detail?
I dont know where you got the total #s.
I dont see anything that is not surgical... if you are talking the same article.
But I am sure you are not combining stats from different articles.
So kind of confused.
BTW, I only have the abstract, not the whole article.

Not all of us know as much as you...

 

[dogunwo]

I posted all of that stuff near 6 months ago. I also posted percentages I put on his recovery using the nonsurgical intervention times and was attacked by certain posters here incessantly.

I'm pretty sure that I also posted that article.

Geniuses are never appreciated in their own time Fuzz-man

 

[Ring Leader]

Medical literature....that should cure my insomnia!.

Yep, them's the rewards of fancy book learnin'.

 

[waldoputty]

The grafts and neurolysis are surgical interventions. You take the other recoveries and voila nonsurgical recovery times. I went through nerve anatomy and types of nerve injuries etc. Determined he likely had a type 2 injury from Cooper's comment about the sheathe being intact.

I don't care if you wrote about the same thing. I just remember stating that I thought it was as likely as not that the nerve would start firing this year and was attacked incessantly by people telling me that I was not an expert, tried to talk smart, and all manner of anti-intellectual nonsense.

I looked some more.
There was no overall success statistics for all 318 cases, at least not in the abstract.
So even if we could count the nonsurgical cases, there is no overall stat to play with.

If you add up suture, neurolysis and grafts, you get 264.
Tumor was 40 - so total gets to 304 - missing 14 cases if you count tumor separately from the other 3.
Kind of strange because tumor would have been surgical, but I guess you mean the nerve was not operated on.
Someone from BTB said tumor cases dont really count because some of them just go back to normal if the compression goes away.
Also not sure compression = stretched.
I actually do not think so.

May be we are talking about different papers?

That is why I did it as a floor / worse case scenario.
If worse case scenario is 84%, that is not bad.
But that is where the tea leave reading really starts because their success criteria starts with 3rd level function.
Jaylon needs better than just walking ok with a reasonable gait.
At least his chance for a normal life is very good...

 

[perrykemp]

84% end up being 100% recovered?

I wonder if this also applies to professional athletes.

 

[waldoputty]

84% end up being 100% recovered?

I wonder if this also applies to professional athletes.

no, 84% of the sutured case being 3rd level recovered or better.
that means patient regained at least enough function for walking without ATO with reasonable gait.

the paper did not provide any data for superior recovery, beyond it is 3rd level or better.

however, the suture case is worst than what Jaylon had.
his nerve was not severed.
that is why i presented it as a floor (worse case scenario statistics).

a key motivation for me is to present the way the front office makes decisions.
jerry may be a wild cat prospector, but the front office is not operating that way.

to me, it seems they are bold, daring, but not reckless.
there is so much information that dr. cooper probably had.
so there is a rational for evaluating the risk, just like a character risk or some other flaw.

this is an advantage of having the owner being this involved and interested.
there is no way any normal GM could have taken the scrutiny / risk taking Jaylon early in the 2nd when the team went 4-12.

 

[dogunwo]

there is no way any normal GM could have taken the scrutiny / risk taking Jaylon early in the 2nd when the team went 4-12.

Broaddus states that there's only two GMs in the league that could have drafted Jaylon Smith before the 5th round, Patriots GM and Jerry Jones.

 

[Nightman]

Broaddus states that there's only two GMs in the league that could have drafted Jaylon Smith before the 5th round, Patriots GM and Jerry Jones.

I think his surgeon being our doctor was the only reason he was drafted before the 5th......we got jumpy when Dodd and Ogbah went after missing out on Lynch

 

[waldoputty]

I think his surgeon being our doctor was the only reason he was drafted before the 5th......we got jumpy when Dodd and Ogbah went after missing out on Lynch

they really believed the doctor - think he was player #5 in the entire draft board.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I posted all of that stuff near 6 months ago. I also posted percentages I put on his recovery using the nonsurgical intervention times and was attacked by certain posters here incessantly.

I'm pretty sure that I also posted that article.

Nothing worse than seeing someone fishing for praise.

 

[waldoputty]

Basic rule of thumb with nerve regeneration is 1mm/day or 1 inch a month.

His nerve will heal. He needs axonal regeneration first followed by a re-myelination of the nerve fibers in the peroneal. Basic body physiology says he will regenerate quite soon. Don't worry fellas.

Appreciate your feedback.

If this is your expertise, can you comment on the dorsiflexion and eversion?
Is it one muscle or separate muscles?
If separate, is the eversion muscle further away from the knee (more than 6 inches)?

Thanks!

 

[dallasdave]

Medical literature....that should cure my insomnia!.

 

[CWR]

Nothing worse than seeing someone fishing for praise.

Lol that is funny. Pretty sure that hes more so still irritated because he did alot of research and attempted to share it with us all. However, some people on the board behave like deuche bags and rather than take it for what its worth and appreciate the effort they preferred to belittle Fuzzy and point to credentials or lack thereof.

 

[waldoputty]

Nothing worse than seeing someone fishing for praise.

I am new to this board.

Great one liner, I will give you that.
The sad thing is I have chatted a lot with Fuzzy and he really cares about the Cowboys.
I dont understand why it is open season on Fuzzy for some in this board.

I have followed the Cowboys since the Staubach to Pearson pass in the NFC championship game.
I remember the nightmarish "the catch", and followed diligently the building up of 90's dynasty.
I have always been the biggest Cowboys fan I know, but Fuzzy seems to take it to another level.
His weekly game tape views are unbelievable.
I appreciate that so much that I messaged him for an early copy last week.

I dont understand the reason for the bad feelings on this board.
With all the abuse for all the free work out of love for the Cowboys, I still dont understand why Fuzzy does not use the ignore function.
Perhaps he is too nice a guy.
In contrast, I now have used the ignore on 3 posters and also started posting my full articles on BTB since my last big thread was deleted.

WP

 

[Szczepanik]

Appreciate your feedback.

If this is your expertise, can you comment on the dorsiflexion and eversion?
Is it one muscle or separate muscles?
If separate, is the eversion muscle further away from the knee (more than 6 inches)?

Thanks!

A pure dorsiflexor of the foot: tibialis anterior which is stimulated by the deep peroneal nerve branch off of the common fibular nerve. The common fibular nerve branches into the this deep peroneal, and a superficial peroneal nerve that runs along the outside aspect of the leg. The fibularis longus, brevis, tertius are the primary dorsiflexors of the foot , but also help in dorsiflexion.

However, the tibialis anterior from the deep peroneal nerve is the main dorsiflexor of the foot. You have a collective group of muscles that aid in it. The everters start where your fibula is on your outside of the upper leg.

Problem is where the nerve was damaged initially. Axonal regrowth happens first generally when an injury is traumatic enough , followed by re-myelination of the axon. So it is really a 2 step process for the nerve to recover. We can be fairly certain when axonal regrowth will happen, but the myelination can be spotty.

I would be expecting his physical therapists to have been using some electrical stimulation devices on his nerves to aid them in firing.

I am in a doctorate program for physical therapy, and we have been doing quite a bit of work with nerves and electrical stim, so this is fairly fresh in my mind. Granted, I am only a student so take it for what it is worth.

I would be shocked if his nerve hasn't started firing by week 14-16 honestly.