Medical literature on nerve regeneration statistics and J Smith

[CyberB0b]

Basic rule of thumb with nerve regeneration is 1mm/day or 1 inch a month.

His nerve will heal. He needs axonal regeneration first followed by a re-myelination of the nerve fibers in the peroneal. Basic body physiology says he will regenerate quite soon. Don't worry fellas.

He's well past that point , which is kind of concerning.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I didn't accuse you have being intellectually dishonest.

And since we're being honest here, you've got a long way to go before I'd let you question my intellectual honestly. The fact that you happen to think you're right when you're too often wrong--and posters don't agree with you because they know better--does not constitute intellectual dishonesty on their part. It just means they see things more clearly than you do.

But this is off-topic, so I'm going to let it drop here. Have the last condescending word if you want to, but then let's get back to the topic.

Right, you were just taking an ill-fitting opportunity to take a heehawing moment for you and shoehorn it into the conversation.

The rest of your comments amount to meaningless "oohhh, you're wrong all the time and other people are right....and that's fact!" nonsense.

 

[Idgit]

He's well past that point , which is kind of concerning.

You think he's not getting any regeneration yet? People around him sure seem pretty optimistic about his progress for that to be the case, don't they?

 

[waldoputty]

It's sad all we have to talk about with a high second round pick is nerve regeneration. Wish we would have drafted a healthy player that could be helping us right now.

Reasonable point.
Though back in April, we were coming off a 4-12 year.
Few would have thought the 2016 draft would have worked out as well as it did, even not counting Jaylon.
So investing in a Jaylon is not irrational.
Figure Zeke would have a good 5 years minimum.

My personal preference is 50% likelihood of getting a probowler sideline-sideline MLB/SLB >>> Sterling Sheperd, Reggie Ragland, Noah Spence, or even Obgah or Dodd
Obviously 50% is IMO. Uninjured, I gave him a 80% chance.
There are some who thinks he also has a good chance to be a generational player if uninjured.
I am extreme because I am only interested in building a dynasty (so rational high-upside risks are ok with me), and not real interested in winning a playoff game every other year.

Obviously, I am pretty happy.
Adding a couple probowlers to the D is not that hard compared to adding a young cheap franchise QB.
Yes Dak is not a sure thing, but I think we had a 5 year window now given the state/contracts of OL, Dak, Zeke.
Just need to add WR2, 2 D players and get a decent CB to replace Mo if he leaves.
Then we are good to go.

No, I do not work for the Cowboys, wish I did.

 

[CyberB0b]

You think he's not getting any regeneration yet? People around him sure seem pretty optimistic about his progress for that to be the case, don't they?

Reading comprehension. I'm not sure how you got that from what I posted. His nerve should have fully regenerated by now , using said timeline.

Unlike some, I don't represent myself as an expert in this area. Either the time line is inaccurate , or he's way behind.

 

[Idgit]

Reading comprehension. I'm not sure how you got that from what I posted. His nerve should have fully regenerated by now , using said timeline.

Unlike some, I don't represent myself as an expert in this area. Either the time line is inaccurate , or he's way behind.

Touchy. I asked because what you wrote wasn't all that easy for me to comprehend the first time.

 

[waldoputty]

Reading comprehension. I'm not sure how you got that from what I posted. His nerve should have fully regenerated by now , using said timeline.

Unlike some, I don't represent myself as an expert in this area. Either the time line is inaccurate , or he's way behind.

The nerve should have got there by now.
I think it has, but I just interpret journal articles and expert opinions.

3 experts said there is more to it than getting there.
2 of them said there will be weeks or more of rehab after the nerve is doing something.
1 of them said something called myelination of the nerve axons needs to happen after they get there.

 

[speedkilz88]

 

[KJJ]

Reasonable point.
Though back in April, we were coming off a 4-12 year.
Few would have thought the 2016 draft would have worked out as well as it did, even not counting Jaylon.
So investing in a Jaylon is not irrational.
Figure Zeke would have a good 5 years minimum.

My personal preference is 50% likelihood of getting a probowler sideline-sideline MLB/SLB >>> Sterling Sheperd, Reggie Ragland, Noah Spence, or even Obgah or Dodd
Obviously 50% is IMO. Uninjured, I gave him a 80% chance.
There are some who thinks he also has a good chance to be a generational player if uninjured.
I am extreme because I am only interested in building a dynasty (so rational high-upside risks are ok with me), and not real interested in winning a playoff game every other year.

Obviously, I am pretty happy.
Adding a couple probowlers to the D is not that hard compared to adding a young cheap franchise QB.
Yes Dak is not a sure thing, but I think we had a 5 year window now given the state/contracts of OL, Dak, Zeke.
Just need to add WR2, 2 D players and get a decent CB to replace Mo if he leaves.
Then we are good to go.

No, I do not work for the Cowboys, wish I did.

Zeke and Dak made our draft and it's led to the 5-1 start we're off to but you just get the feeling our defense is going to be what ultimately does us in this season. Would have been nice to have drafted a player in the second round that could be helping the defensive side of the ball. We've taken too many risks in the second round with injured players and one that has drug issues and it's one of the reasons our defense lags so far behind our offense. We've made smart decisions with our first picks and many have panned out the past few years offensively but we're not hitting enough with our high defensive picks because we're gambling too much instead of playing it safe.

 

[plymkr]

If we can get Jaylon back and Randy Gregory somehow gets his head in check we will skip years ahead defensively of what we will have to do in the draft.


Jaylon Smith is a game changer in that position.

Yes, this is very true. A good DE and a blue chip LB would fast forward our rebuilding to an almost rebuilt status. Then we unleash the dogs on em

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Smith would be a real difference-maker at LB. I can't even watch his highlight clips on YouTube without getting bummed out.

 

[waldoputty]

Zeke and Dak made our draft and it's led to the 5-1 start we're off to but you just get the feeling our defense is going to be what ultimately does us in this season. Would have been nice to have drafted a player in the second round that could be helping the defensive side of the ball. We've taken too many risks in the second round with injured players and one that has drug issues and it's one of the reasons our defense lags so far behind our offense. We've made smart decisions with our first picks and many have panned out the past few years offensively but we're not hitting enough with our high defensive picks because we're gambling too much instead of playing it safe.

Absolutely correct.
That is why some of us are hoping upon hope that Jaylon can make it back this year.

Like they say, hindsight is 20-20.
No one knew back in April that Zeke, Dak, Collins and Brown would work out the way they did.
No one expected we would be 5-1, or FO may have done differently.

Even if we did not draft Jaylon, which player would have made a difference?
One can argue Jack, but he has seemed to have done jack.
He will have a short time fuse, besides we needed a DE.
Sheperd, does not help defense and our WRs have been fine.
Dont think Spence has done crap either.
You can argue Ragland since no one knew he would injured, but we originally planned on Mcclain for one more year. He also is not provide the pass rush.
You can argue Ngakoue but we had another chance to nab him in the 3rd but got Collins instead.
I dont see any well regarded DE that was available at 34.
They wanted Ogbah/Dodd, which probably would have been a mistake.

So how did we do in the 2nd round compared to others - see the stats below.
Our recent 2nd rounders have been Lee, Carter, Escobar, Lawrence, Gregory and Jaylon.
Lee, Carter and Lawrence became starters - so that is 50% hit rate right there.
Average LB success rate is 55% while DL is 26%, so we are doing really well with these 3.
Let say Escobar and Gregory are busts, though many argue Gregory is not totally there yet.
So that leaves Jaylon.
Even if Jaylon busts, we are doing ~average for NFL drafting, given DLs 2nd rounders are at only a 26% hit rate.
All this despite gambling on 3 injured players: Lee, Carter and Jaylon plus the questionable character Gregory.

1st Round - OL (83%) LB (70%) TE (67%) DB (64%) QB (63%) WR (58%) RB (58%) DL (58%)
2nd Round - OL (70%) LB (55%) TE (50%) WR (49%) DB (46%) QB (27%) DL (26%) RB (25%)
3rd Round - OL (40%) TE (39%) LB (34%) DL (27%) WR (25%) DB (24%) QB (17%) RB (16%)

The annoying thing is we did not picked up the old DE in FA for cheap, and he was available for a long time.

 

[plymkr]

I posted all of that stuff near 6 months ago. I also posted percentages I put on his recovery using the nonsurgical intervention times and was attacked by certain posters here incessantly.

I'm pretty sure that I also posted that article.

I'm like a sponge when it comes to this stuff, so whenever someone posts something that teaches me about an injury I usually try and thank them. So if I missed you the first time. Thanks for posting it, it is appreciated. I really hope I was not one of the people that attacked you. I'd be ashamed of myself if I was.

So for You and WP, thanks again for posting this stuff. I love reading it and then talking about it during the games and then my family think I'm really smart and I'm just using your guys' hard work.

 

[waldoputty]

I'm like a sponge when it comes to this stuff, so whenever someone posts something that teaches me about an injury I usually try and thank them. So if I missed you the first time. Thanks for posting it, it is appreciated. I really hope I was not one of the people that attacked you. I'd be ashamed of myself if I was.

So for You and WP, thanks again for posting this stuff. I love reading it and then talking about it during the games and then my family think I'm really smart and I'm just using your guys' hard work.

Glad it is useful to you
Be careful, you may get a bill

 

[waldoputty]

lol, i saw this one but decided not to post it.
you should create a new thread and cause more consternation

 

[LocimusPrime]

I think Jaylon clearly update his fans on his progress via Twitter.

 

[CyberB0b]

I posted all of that stuff near 6 months ago. I also posted percentages I put on his recovery using the nonsurgical intervention times and was attacked by certain posters here incessantly.

I'm pretty sure that I also posted that article.

You also posted that July 2016 was a realistic timeline for his return, lol.

 

[waldoputty]

You also posted that July 2016 was a realistic timeline for his return, lol.

I may have also.
I just did the 6x1 month/inch calculation.
Did not get enough expert opinions at that point.

For what it is worth, Dr. Cooper said 9-15 months for a possible full recovery in April if I remember correctly.
I guess we are now at almost month 10.

 

[waldoputty]

I think Jaylon clearly update his fans on his progress via Twitter.

This kid has a future in advertising, hopefully a long time in the future after a successful career.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You also posted that July 2016 was a realistic timeline for his return, lol.

I said that was the earliest timeframe. Probable timeframes and outcomes are a struggle for you.