Merriman is better then Ware, at this time

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The only team that should have regrets is Detroit, who could use Merriman or Ware more than Mike Williams

Of course, Charles Rogers did get suspended and Roy Williams has been out injured for weeks, so I'm pretty sure that they were happy that he is around right now. I can't figure out if his lack of production his his or the offensive line and QB. It seems like it's taking him a little while to pick up the system.
 

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I think it is too early to tell who is going to be the better player based on their performances up to the mid-season. Additionally, measuring who is better at this point is unquantifiable. Each possesses a natural talent. Look, for instance, at Walker for the eagles. I don't think he is quite as solid or heavy as Merriman, but the man is an absolute freak. Size, I believe, is not a good measure for greatness. It certainly helps, but tell someone like Singletary that tall men are better. I believe in the end Ware's professional demeanor will label him as a greater contributor to the game. Unless Merriman has a sudden change in lifestyle, he will be real good but not immortal.
 

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31smackdown said:
To me, Merriman is the kind of player that is great when given a narrow focus, let him run downhill and he will knock the snot out of you, very intense player similar to maybe a Arrington or a Trotter. I think his career will be similar and that his lack of smarts and agility will limit him in schemes, especially in coverage. Very strong, intense player that will get out of position at times, trying to make the big play, instead of being disciplined. I don't think he will ever reach the level of Peppers, Kearse(until recently) or Julianne Peterson in terms of freakish agility, strength and playmaker ability but I guess you never know.

Ware, so far has been very solid and is using his hands well to get off of blocks on run plays as well as applying pressure on passing downs. Very few if any times, do you see him out of position or getting pushed back. His progress seems to be steady each game. He hasn't dominated a game yet, but he shows up on almost every play with a positive outcome... by this I mean, he wins his 1-on-1 90% of the time, whether that means pushing his guy back, drawing a chip, holding his ground on a run play, etc... he appears to be doing his job and it's allowing others to make more plays as a result.

I think most coaches will tell you that they look for consistancy in players and that has been what Ware has been so far. He appears to be fundamentally sound and making very few mental mistakes. The rush moves and nuances will come over time as he gets a little more NFL experience and he is already making an impact in games, so its not like he has been invisible from a big play perspective.

I won't go into team player/attitude/off-field issues because those are often overlooked when it comes to on field production. I think Merriman will be a good player, but I don't think that he is better than Ware or will be better than Ware... he may show up on Sportscenter more times, but I much rather have the complete player that Ware is working towards becoming, on my defense.
I was going to use Arrington as a comparison also.
 

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If I recall the one play that I saw yesterday where Merriman bullrushed the tackle for a sack, he was coming from the left defensive side, against the right O-Tackle. Ware is taking on each teams BEST tackle, the left O-tackle. This distinction must be remembered.
 

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phdefense said:
How is Merriman in coverage?

and with his teammates? Word is he had several instances in college where he got in to major fights with guys on his team.
 

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shampoo is better, no conditioner....
different types of players.
I agree with smackdown and I would belabor one of his points a bit more. I agree that Ware is quickly working to gain the smarts to go with his ability and working hard at it. He is becoming a complete player. I don't think Merriman has the discipline or gray matter to care about that. He just wants to go hit someone. Seems an awful lot like Arrington. It was a big concern of mine that Merriman packed on 30 pounds just before the draft also. Sure he's strong, but that wasn't all muscle he gained.
I'm pretty sure that we'll be extremely happy that we got Ware instead of Merriman about the time their contracts expire also... regardless of how well Merriman is playing.
Also, I think Merriman is kind of a punk. Ware = class
 

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Dont know if anybody has been watching the last four Charger games but Merriman is absolutly tearing it up. The reason for my statement is, Merriman is so much more ahead physically then Ware. On top of this, he has 3-4 moves compared to Ware's one. Today, he was giving Willie Roaf fits and on one play absolutly bull-dozed Roaf. Roaf is one of the leagues best tackles.

I'm not a Ware detractor, matter in fact he might be my fav Cowboy. But Merriman seems to be a stronger Dwight Freeny. This is not to say that he will always be better. When Ware puts 15 lbs on and learns more moves then he is going to be a freak. Until then, I must give an un-biased opinion on this.Opinions

Merriman played some LB at UMD I believe, which would explain a lot, but I definately agree that Merriman is better atleast now.
 

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dbair1967 said:
Ware is probably going to run away with the defensive rookie of the yr award...Merriman might not even get a vote

David

Actually, right now it looks like Ware would come in second behind Odell Thurman.
 

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abersonc said:
and with his teammates? Word is he had several instances in college where he got in to major fights with guys on his team.

Think he'll try that with Steve Foley? I don't.
 

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gimmesix said:
Actually, right now it looks like Ware would come in second behind Odell Thurman.

If its heavily weighted toward ints.
Thurman isn't in the top 30 for tackles and is on pace for 88 total. Thats not a spectacular number for a mlb who should be piling up the tackles. Not even for a rookie mlb.
 

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If its heavily weighted toward ints.
Thurman isn't in the top 30 for tackles and is on pace for 88 total. Thats not a spectacular number for a mlb who should be piling up the tackles. Not even for a rookie mlb.
As good as Ware has been (for a rookie), the most talked about defensive rookie has been Odell Thurman. Ware got all the preseason hype, but I haven't seen as much reg season love.

I think that because he's a mlb for Marvin Lewis, he's getting Ray Lewis-like comparisons. And cuz Ray-Ray is still close enuff to his prime for comparison purposes, folks are looking at him alot closer.
 

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2much2soon I think Merriman may have personality issues said:
I can't agree more, Parcells stated that he didn't want any thugs on this team. I think taking Ware he knew that he would not be getting immediate results with him. However with Ware's work ethic and physical ability Parcells knew he could mold this kid into a stud over time.

Also I don't think anyone can honestly say they expected our defense to be this good this quick after switching schemes. I am so pumped for the second half of this season and into next season I can't contain myself. Just keep Bledsoe upright and we will be scary by the end of the year.
 

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I did think our defense was going to be this good. The offense has surprised me and that's all due to Bledsoe. As far as Ware Vs Merriman. Who know's at this point. But if I had to pick...Ware...Love the Guy.

Happy Halloween Fools!!!
 

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2much2soon said:
If its heavily weighted toward ints.
Thurman isn't in the top 30 for tackles and is on pace for 88 total. Thats not a spectacular number for a mlb who should be piling up the tackles. Not even for a rookie mlb.

He has three ints. right now, which is a real good number for a linebacker and I believe his tackle numbers are significantly better than Ware's.

NOTE I do understand that Ware's linebacker position is different than Thurman's, but I also believe that ROTY is heavily weighted by statistics over actual performance. So when ROTY is being chosen, Thurman's better tackle numbers will affect the choice.

Excuse my error ... that's four interceptions, 44 total tackles (to 24 for Ware), 1 TD, 1 sack ... those numbers give him an edge over Ware at this point.
 

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gimmesix said:
He has three ints. right now, which is a real good number for a linebacker and I believe his tackle numbers are significantly better than Ware's.

NOTE I do understand that Ware's linebacker position is different than Thurman's, but I also believe that ROTY is heavily weighted by statistics over actual performance. So when ROTY is being chosen, Thurman's better tackle numbers will affect the choice.

Excuse my error ... that's four interceptions, 44 total tackles (to 24 for Ware), 1 TD, 1 sack ... those numbers give him an edge over Ware at this point.

If that were the case then Dat wouldve been to the probowl for the past three years. Sorry but sacks >>> all in ROY voting get that through your head.
 

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who really cares what Merriman is doing these days, you wanna watchn Merriman more often, then go follow the Chargers...
I mean really, Merriman is playing his natural position where Ware is learning a whole new one at the outside linebacker spot. It is obvious that Ware is getting and will get a whole lot better as he learns more the position.

Everyone will always look back and say "gee look we should of picked up this guy".

Ware has alot of upside and a good attitude. I cannot say that about Merriman cuz all I know about him is that he refused to practice in minicamps like everyone else does...

I like our chances with Ware when compared to Merriman, and wouldnot change the selection even if I could...

like it or not Playmakers, it is you that sounds like your bias, but what do I know?
 

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I bet those who were calling Merriman a workout warrior and Mike Mamula are feeling foolish.
 

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That's the biggest difference. Ware is a low key guy who raises his arms when he makes a sack.

Merriman dances, taunts and acts the fool on every tackle. He's a me me guy all the way. He'll be a pain in the *** again at some point to the Chargers brass.
 

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Don Banks (CNNSI):

Wow. From the looks of what I saw in San Diego on Sunday, Chargers first-round pick Shawn Merriman is going to be a force at linebacker. Though he's still learning the position and has made just two NFL starts, Merriman announced his arrival as a playmaker with two sacks and a forced fumble against Kansas City, not to mention a hit that knocked Chiefs running back Priest Holmes silly and ended his afternoon. And fellow Chargers rookie Luis Castillo wasn't too shabby either, contributing 1? sacks against K.C.
 
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