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Articles I read a long time ago and yes I do remember things I read a long time ago

i read his book RUN BULLET RUN and subscribe to Track & Field News mahazine, there hasn't been anything about sub 9.0, yes, he was given slower times because those small time meets wanted no part of a barrier breaker.
 

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i read his book RUN BULLET RUN and subscribe to Track & Field News mahazine, there hasn't been anything about sub 9.0, yes, he was given slower times because those small time meets wanted no part of a barrier breaker.
It has been printed and I'm not going to look for it
 

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And those 9.0's are hand timed records, and are distinguished from official world records, because hand timing is considered unreliable.

McTear's 9.0 was at a high school meet - nobody believes he was the fastest 100 yard man on the planet at the time, and he never proved it in a timed event. His best official 100 yard time was 9.3.

You should also look at the competition in those days. Almost all world class sprinters were diminutive, and of the few that were taller they were still very lightweight. Nobody was running against a 240+lb man.

But even aside from that, again, I didn't say smallish runners can't run and compete, I said fast starts are "typically" (didn't say always) an advantage for smaller runners, and I said that "may" (didn't say definitely) be a benefit to Parsons at 100 yards, so you aren't even arguing within the context of what I said anyway.

And those 9.0's are hand timed records, and are distinguished from official world records, because hand timing is considered unreliable.

McTear's 9.0 was at a high school meet - nobody believes he was the fastest 100 yard man on the planet at the time, and he never proved it in a timed event. His best official 100 yard time was 9.3.

You should also look at the competition in those days. Almost all world class sprinters were diminutive, and of the few that were taller they were still very lightweight. Nobody was running against a 240+lb man.
 
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Hmmmmm?

All Time Dallas Cowboys 100

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1.Teddy Williams 10.16 UTSA
2.Terrence Newman 10.20 Kansas State
3.Mike Gaecther 9.4yards Oregon
4.Deion Sanders 10.26 FSU
5.Bob Hayes 10.06 FAMU
6.Herschel Walker 10.26 Georgia
7.Amos Marsh 9.5yards Oregon
8.Mel Renfro 9.6 yards Oregon
 

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i'd rather see a foot race between written and spazzdak. my money is on witten.
 

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And those 9.0's are hand timed records, and are distinguished from official world records, because hand timing is considered unreliable.

McTear's 9.0 was at a high school meet - nobody believes he was the fastest 100 yard man on the planet at the time, and he never proved it in a timed event. His best official 100 yard time was 9.3.

You should also look at the competition in those days. Almost all world class sprinters were diminutive, and of the few that were taller they were still very lightweight. Nobody was running against a 240+lb man.

But even aside from that, again, I didn't say smallish runners can't run and compete, I said fast starts are "typically" (didn't say always) an advantage for smaller runners, and I said that "may" (didn't say definitely) be a benefit to Parsons at 100 yards, so you aren't even arguing within the context of what I said anyway.

Here ya go...

World Records
( - Record was ratified)
9.1* Steve Williams USA Fresno May 12, 1973....I was there that night.
9.0 Ivory Crockett USA Knoxville May 11, 1974
9.0* Houston McTear USA Winter Park May 09, 1975

And there were always big and tall sprinters, when Crockett ran that 9.0 he beat the 6-5 Reggie Jones out of Tennessee. John Carlos a 9.1 WR holder was 6-4, the great Tommie Smith 6-4. Hell Hayes was a 190 pounder. Henry Carr at 6-3 the guy the Giants brought in to cover Hayes.

The only constant is it taking those with western African roots.
 

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Hmmmmm?

All Time Dallas Cowboys 100

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1.Teddy Williams 10.16 UTSA
2.Terrence Newman 10.20 Kansas State
3.Mike Gaecther 9.4yards Oregon
4.Deion Sanders 10.26 FSU
5.Bob Hayes 10.06 FAMU
6.Herschel Walker 10.26 Georgia
7.Amos Marsh 9.5yards Oregon
8.Mel Renfro 9.6 yards Oregon
Bob Hayes ran a 9.2 at the Olympics, right?
 

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Bob Hayes ran a 9.2 at the Olympics, right?

Nope!


Olympic, Tokyo 1964
1 Robert Hayes USA 10.0
2 Enrique Figuerola CUB 10.2
3 Harry Jerome CAN 10.2
4 Wieslaw Maniak POL 10.4
5 Heinz Schumann FRG 10.4
6 Gaoussou Koné CIV 10.4
7 Mel Pender USA 10.4
8 Tom Robinson BAH 10.5
 

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Hmmmmm?

All Time Dallas Cowboys 100

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1.Teddy Williams 10.16 UTSA
2.Terrence Newman 10.20 Kansas State
3.Mike Gaecther 9.4yards Oregon
4.Deion Sanders 10.26 FSU
5.Bob Hayes 10.06 FAMU
6.Herschel Walker 10.26 Georgia
7.Amos Marsh 9.5yards Oregon
8.Mel Renfro 9.6 yards Oregon
Hayes 9.2 world record at the time worlds fastest human
 

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Nope!


Olympic, Tokyo 1964
1 Robert Hayes USA 10.0
2 Enrique Figuerola CUB 10.2
3 Harry Jerome CAN 10.2
4 Wieslaw Maniak POL 10.4
5 Heinz Schumann FRG 10.4
6 Gaoussou Koné CIV 10.4
7 Mel Pender USA 10.4
8 Tom Robinson BAH 10.5
Was he over "unofficially" timed, maybe with wind at his back at 9.2? Or am I dreaming this?
 

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Here ya go...

World Records
( - Record was ratified)
9.1* Steve Williams USA Fresno May 12, 1973....I was there that night.
9.0 Ivory Crockett USA Knoxville May 11, 1974
9.0* Houston McTear USA Winter Park May 09, 1975

And there were always big and tall sprinters, when Crockett ran that 9.0 he beat the 6-5 Reggie Jones out of Tennessee. John Carlos a 9.1 WR holder was 6-4, the great Tommie Smith 6-4. Hell Hayes was a 190 pounder. Henry Carr at 6-3 the guy the Giants brought in to cover Hayes.

The only constant is it taking those with western African roots.

To begin with, again, I didn't say smallish runners can't run and compete, I said smaller runners often have an advantage in shorter sprints because they "typically" (didn't say always) get off the line faster, and I said that "may" (didn't say definitely) be a benefit to Parsons at 100 yards, so you aren't even arguing within the context of what I said anyway.

And, again, you are still refusing to acknowledge that those 9.0's are hand timed records that are not considered the official world record.

As for taller runners being competitive in 100 yards, that doesn't help your argument at all because what I said is that smaller runners often have an advantage in shorter sprints because they typically get off the line quicker, so saying taller runners are competitive in longer sprints is actually more supportive of what I said. To make your point you would have to show that taller runners were competitive at 60 yards.

But ultimately you're creating arguments based on taking the words "typically" and "may" as meaning "always" and "definitely", so, again, you aren't even arguing within the context of what I wrote.
 

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Bob Hayes ran a 9.2 at the Olympics, right?
Nope!

Olympic, Tokyo 1964
1 Robert Hayes USA 10.0
2 Enrique Figuerola CUB 10.2
3 Harry Jerome CAN 10.2
4 Wieslaw Maniak POL 10.4
5 Heinz Schumann FRG 10.4
6 Gaoussou Koné CIV 10.4
7 Mel Pender USA 10.4
8 Tom Robinson BAH 10.5
Was he over "unofficially" timed, maybe with wind at his back at 9.2? Or am I dreaming this?

Hays ran the 100 meters in the Olympics, so don't get that confused with the 100 yards that has been discussed here. Maybe (not saying it's so - I don't know) his 100 yard split would have been at 9.2
 

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Hays ran the 100 meters in the Olympics, so don't get that confused with the 100 yards that has been discussed here. Maybe (not saying it's so - I don't know) his 100 yard split would have been at 9.2
Thank you for the clarification. I was 8 years old in 1962 when I started watching the Cowboys and 10 when Hayes ran that stunning time. I thought his 100 yard time was 9.2
 

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A healthy Pollard would make it a good quartet.. Maybe Zeke can hold the Gatorade Bottles.
 
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