Michael Irvin returns to NFL Network

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Sure ir is standard HR procedures, but are you kidding> The nfl is gonna state they regret the decision??? jesus man, what world do you live in?
The fact they reinstated him absolutely means they believe it was garbage, because in their bsuiness perception is everything. Even though you want to slant everything to mean he did it and looks bad.

Fact is he is back on air, and that says all you need to know.
Being reinstated doesn’t mean he was innocent of inappropriate behavior.

And you’re right. Public perception has wained after all this time. But at the time I think they made right decision and they probably do too.
 
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A key part of your argument was that the NFLN made (you insisted a decision had been made) a judgement based on their investigation about his employment and that said a lot.

I guess you still feel the same.
Right.. my stance hasn’t wavered or changed throughout.

They made a decision that the accusations were enough to suspend his services taking him off the air.

The fact he was reinstated doesn’t prove his conduct wasn’t inappropriate. Just not enough to end his employment.
 

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You think that's how these things work? With the football season starting, the one with the urgency here was Irvin as he was about to start a regular season without work. Given that, don't you think it was more probable that Irvin's side made the major concessions to end this? What does Marriott care about the regular season starting? Folks traveling for games are going to use their hotels no matter what. Logic, not emotion. And there's LOTS of emotion going 'round.
You're emotion is what is going around.

Bottom line, you were proven wrong. Admit it and move on, but I know you won't. You just love to argue, even when you're proven wrong.
 

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Well if you listen to Marriott tell the story, it was not them who did the throwing out, nor was it "middle of the night" like Irvin stated. They say the event happened on a Sunday and Irvin was there all day Monday while Marriott conducted their investigation including sharing it with the NFL. It was the NFL that showed up Monday night saying Irvin needed to move. So again, not seeing where Marriott was culpable of anything if they never officially kicked him out. It wasn't them that went out in public broadcasting what happened. None of us knew anything until Irvin broke the story himself. This was one of the things Irvin's lawyer lied about saying no one had spoken about things publicly when it was his own client that did.
With all that said, Mariott settled.
 

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what concessions you think Irvin made? All he wanted was jis job back. He got EXACTLY what he wanted. A complete victory for him.
Marriott was keeping him from his job? That's who he was suing, not the NFL. Again, look at the timing of this. First day of the full football slate this gets announced which is what Irvin does for a living. The urgency was on Irvin's side, was it not? When it's YOU that needs something more than the other side then YOU would tend to make more concessions to get there, right? Just logic. Am I right?
 

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With all that said, Mariott settled.
The urgency was on Irvin's side with the full season starting today and this being what he does for a living. Methinks it was Irvin's side who made enough movement that Marriott was like, "okay," again, not discounting that NFL could have passed through any finances that were to be exchanged. THEY were the party more at fault and whom Irvin should have targeted. Hard to do when you're still employed by them collecting money.
 

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You think that's how these things work? With the football season starting, the one with the urgency here was Irvin as he was about to start a regular season without work. Given that, don't you think it was more probable that Irvin's side made the major concessions to end this? What does Marriott care about the regular season starting? Folks traveling for games are going to use their hotels no matter what. Logic, not emotion. And there's LOTS of emotion going 'round.
I know that most would rather settle out of court, than take their chances in court. I’m sure there were concessions on both sides to come to a settlement. It certainly wasn’t going to do Marriotts reputation any good to have this drag out in court. They do care about their reputation. What happened to Irvin could happen to anyone at Marriott. It would certainly keep me from wanting to stay there.
 

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Marriott was keeping him from his job? That's who he was suing, not the NFL. Again, look at the timing of this. First day of the full football slate this gets announced which is what Irvin does for a living. The urgency was on Irvin's side, was it not? When it's YOU that needs something more than the other side then YOU would tend to make more concessions to get there, right? Just logic. Am I right?
Listen MarcusRock, you stated that “you thought” Michael didn’t have a case, but professional experience people in the judicial system thought otherwise.

*Michaels attorney thought he had a case against Marriott, so he filed a lawsuit

*The judge assigned to the case thought there was enough evidence to allow the case to proceed.

*Marriot’s corporate attorneys thought that there was enough evidence to want to settle.

But a poster in a fan forum is stubbornly not believing there was a case. Okay now!
 

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Marriott was keeping him from his job? That's who he was suing, not the NFL. Again, look at the timing of this. First day of the full football slate this gets announced which is what Irvin does for a living. The urgency was on Irvin's side, was it not? When it's YOU that needs something more than the other side then YOU would tend to make more concessions to get there, right? Just logic. Am I right?
you are not understanding how any of this worked. Yes, it was essentially Marriott with its complain that was keeping him from his job. It was whatever they were telling the NFL that kept mike off the air. Why didnt Irvin include the NFL in his lawsuit against Marriott? He didnt want to bite the hand that feeds him. He sued Marriott for one reason only, to pressure them to retract whatever info they gave to the NFL so he could get his JOB back. Irvin would not have settled if he didnt get his job back. We dont know what was going on behind the scenes... but regardless of any settlement, ask yourself why all of the sudden he was back at work? Was the NFL in on the settlement? if not, how the hell did the settlement happen and within hours Mike had his job back? That settlemt was somehow 100% tied to Mike getting his job back. He had assurances from the NFL that he would go back on the air if the settlement happ[ened.
 

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You're emotion is what is going around.

Bottom line, you were proven wrong. Admit it and move on, but I know you won't. You just love to argue, even when you're proven wrong.
Emotion from me? All I ever did was parse the facts we knew about the case when they were out there. Because they weren't looking good for Irvin and couldn't be refuted, people got mad because they were in the tank for Irvin, which is understandable on a Cowboys board, but then don't get on a soapbox talking about "getting to the truth" and then ignore facts about the case that were out there that don't look good for what you hope for. So that's why you and others are mad at me for pointing those out, just like y'all do when I tell the truth about controversial calls that happen in Cowboys games and beyond. When you can't overcome, just character assassinate hoping it clouds the fact that you avoided the good points made. Not my first rodeo, bro. But do tell me what was "proven" here.
 

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With all that said, Mariott settled.
Terms of the settlement weren’t released . In March the hotel had filed a motion against Irvin as well.

My hunch is all Irvin wanted was his job back and NFLN reinstated him with Irvin and Marriott agreeing to drop their cases.

This isn’t an admission that Irvin’s alleged inappropriate comments weren’t abusive but since no illegal charges were ever filed the Network was willing to look the other way as long as lawsuits were settled.

Irvin’s fans of course are claiming his reinstatement is some sort of acclamation he is innocent of alleged accusations but that isn’t necessarily the case.
 

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no, you are very incorrect. He wanted his job back.... the money didnt matter to him.
You have absolutely no clue what’s going on inside his head. Common sense would tell you that what mattered to him was that Marriott was culpable for their actions which is why he sued them. This damaged his reputation and he’s lucky he got his job back. I’m sure there’s networks that wouldn’t touch him.
 

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I know that most would rather settle out of court, than take their chances in court. I’m sure there were concessions on both sides to come to a settlement. It certainly wasn’t going to do Marriotts reputation any good to have this drag out in court. They do care about their reputation. What happened to Irvin could happen to anyone at Marriott. It would certainly keep me from wanting to stay there.
Lol. Marriott let this drag out all off-season. Remember, this incident happened during Super Bowl week. What would have been more damaging to reputation letting it go on further than the 7 months they let it already?

Again, address my point. Irvin works the NFL for a living; today is the first day of the season; and it just so happens a settlement is announced today. Who was more in need on a day like today? Irvin or Marriott, after 7 months of "bad PR?" If you answer that honestly, you know it's Irvin. What say you?
 

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You have absolutely no clue what’s going on inside his head. Common sense would tell you that what mattered to him was that Marriott was culpable for their actions which is why he sued them. This damaged his reputation and he’s lucky he got his job back. I’m sure there’s networks that wouldn’t touch him.
lol... yea, like Fox that just hired him and NFL Network that just put him back on the air.
 

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lol... yea, like Fox that just hired him and NFL Network that just put him back on the air.
Fox hired him because of Bayless. Not everyone would hire him. NFL Network put thim back on because there was no proof he did anything wrong and the situation was settled.
 

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you are not understanding how any of this worked. Yes, it was essentially Marriott with its complain that was keeping him from his job. It was whatever they were telling the NFL that kept mike off the air. Why didnt Irvin include the NFL in his lawsuit against Marriott? He didnt want to bite the hand that feeds him. He sued Marriott for one reason only, to pressure them to retract whatever info they gave to the NFL so he could get his JOB back. Irvin would not have settled if he didnt get his job back. We dont know what was going on behind the scenes... but regardless of any settlement, ask yourself why all of the sudden he was back at work? Was the NFL in on the settlement? if not, how the hell did the settlement happen and within hours Mike had his job back? That settlemt was somehow 100% tied to Mike getting his job back. He had assurances from the NFL that he would go back on the air if the settlement happ[ened.
I agree . NFLN ultimately wanted this to go away. Orchestrating the settlement meant reinstating which is all Irvin really ever wanted. Totally correct.

But this doesn’t mean he was innocent of making inappropriate comments. Basically he was just placed on suspension from services for 6 months which in off season isn’t that big of deal. He gets his job back and basically gets away with whatever he did or didn’t do.
 

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Listen MarcusRock, you stated that “you thought” Michael didn’t have a case, but professional experience people in the judicial system thought otherwise.

*Michaels attorney thought he had a case against Marriott, so he filed a lawsuit

*The judge assigned to the case thought there was enough evidence to allow the case to proceed.

*Marriot’s corporate attorneys thought that there was enough evidence to want to settle.

But a poster in a fan forum is stubbornly not believing there was a case. Okay now!
Lol. Now you know the steps that happened to make Marriott settle? The "evidence" we knew wasn't favorable to Irvin. My "not having a case" meant things seemed stacked against Irvin versus an establishment's right to refuse service to one they deemed to cause a disturbance they didn't like. Any case would have been better against the NFL.

And why aren't you addressing my point? On the first day of the NFL season and the NFL being Irvin's livelihood, isn't it logical that it was Irvin's side that approached about settling when there was nothing in the 7 months prior? Settlement could have been $1 so Mike can go and perform on his contract. I'm not asking for criminal case proof here. Let's use civil case lingo since that's what this was. What's more likely given this is announced first day of the regular season?
 

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Lol. Marriott let this drag out all off-season. Remember, this incident happened during Super Bowl week. What would have been more damaging to reputation letting it go on further than the 7 months they let it already?

Again, address my point. Irvin works the NFL for a living; today is the first day of the season; and it just so happens a settlement is announced today. Who was more in need on a day like today? Irvin or Marriott, after 7 months of "bad PR?" If you answer that honestly, you know it's Irvin. What say you?
Marriott let this drag out/......do you understand the courts set the timetable and not Marriott...lol
 

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I agree . NFLN ultimately wanted this to go away. Orchestrating the settlement meant reinstating which is all Irvin really ever wanted. Totally correct.

But this doesn’t mean he was innocent of making inappropriate comments. Basically he was just placed on suspension from services for 6 months which in off season isn’t that big of deal. He gets his job back and basically gets away with whatever he did or didn’t do.
suspended means no pay... he was basically put on the commissioners exempt list.

"Inappropriate," is pretty subjective. And i have said from day 1, ANY comment he SPOKE to that woman, unless it was some threat of physical violence, should never have cost him a job and a career.
 
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