Michael Irvin says Roy Williams doesnt run complete routes

[Alexander]

Please show me the quote where Troy says Roy is "the worst route runner I've ever seen", I'd love to read that for myself.

Same here.

Regardless of that, since when has he ever been considered a hard-worker who does everything he can to get open? Most of the time, he's getting open not through hard work, but because he's simply so physically gifted. That's why he needs to be a "focal point" and not a complement like he is being used right now.

That's another reason why we went too far in acquiring him.

 

[dcfanatic]

Looks like he ran a comeback route to me, or were you expecting him to run the route as telestrated? Or maybe you expected him to blow by a corner giving him a 15 yard cushion?

That was probably the worst example you could have used seeing as how Witten scored because the two safeties were worried about Owens and Roy.

All he did was run up into the CB and sit down.

How was that a comeback route?

If it's a comeback route he presses the CB into thinking he's going into the End Zone and then he breaks back towards the line of scrimmage.

Watch it again. It's the perfect example of a WR just running up 12 yards and looking for the ball to come to him.

The play's result doesn't matter in this discussion about his route running.

 

[DWhite Fan]

Great. All three of our starting WRs (Owens, Crayton, and Williams) quit on their routes.
I guess Miles Austin and Jason Witten are our most complete receivers

 

[Smith22]

I can 100% remember Troy Aikman saying that RW runs some of the poorest routes of all WRs in the NFL. I believe he said it during one of his broadcasts of a game before the trade ever even happened. No I don't have a link, but I'm sure other people had to hear it.

 

[TheCount]

All he did was run up into the CB and sit down.

How was that a comeback route?

If it's a comeback route he presses the CB into thinking he's going into the End Zone and then he breaks back towards the line of scrimmage.

Watch it again. It's the perfect example of a WR just running up 12 yards and looking for the ball to come to him.

The play's result doesn't matter in this discussion about his route running.

How does the play result not matter if the play is designed to get Witten open in the middle?

I don't know what the route called was, but the play is designed for Witten. Romo doesn't even look to the left, he pumps to Owens and throws the perfect pass to Witten. And the throw happens before Roy has even gotten to the end of his route.

 

[dcfanatic]

Now you combine Roy's skills and T.O.'s mouth I can only say one thing.

Please let me see the Cowboys being the 2009 season with Roy and TJ Housh as their two starting WR's.

I hope you are joking...
You don't seriously think this will happen...do you???[/quote]

Why am I joking?

Housh isn't going to be franchised by Cincy.

He's hitting the FA market.

He's younger than T.O., money is never an issue with Jerry and he's been productive on a consistent basis in Cincy with no QB.

You telling me Housh will have any trouble getting off the LOS like T.O. has had all season with his quickness? He's 15 times as quick as T.O. is these days.

 

[NextGenBoys]

Troy aikman referred to him repeatedly as the worst route runner he has ever seen and Laufenberg has commented now two weeks in a row, that watching roy williams and T.O. run routes its no wonder the offense is struggling. He said he couldnt figure out which route either was running and they keep stopping on top of it.

That is why I crack up when I see joe the blogger making these long winded posts about how garrett and romo suck.

People generally blame coaches when there is something wrong that they cannot identify. Therefore, since coaching is done behind closed doors, it must be the coaches fault.

Our coaches could do a better job, no doubt. But Garrett and Wade are far from why we are losing games.

 

[JordanTaber]

lol...Larry brown and coaches film....No way.....

There is a local idiot here who says Larrry Brown doesnt see coaches film!!!!

and yes that was aikmans point with williams, they are going to have to learn to just throw him the ball so he can go get it. He is not going to run a route like tory holt. A guy like holt would help immediately because of his tremendous technical skill.

Uh...Torry Holt is not a good route runner.

 

[WoodysGirl]

Why am I joking?

Housh isn't going to be franchised by Cincy.

He's hitting the FA market.

He's younger than T.O., money is never an issue with Jerry and he's been productive on a consistent basis in Cincy with no QB.

You telling me Housh will have any trouble getting off the LOS like T.O. has had all season with his quickness? He's 15 times as quick as T.O. is these days.

FWIW...

NO TAG FOR T.J.?
Posted by Mike Florio on December 26, 2008, 10:39 a.m.
The Cincinnati Bengals have a history of not re-signing free agents to long-term deals, but of using the franchise tag to keep them around for a year and then letting them walk away thereafter.

This time around, however, the Bengals apparently don’t intend to use the franchise tag on receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh.

According to Adam Schefter of NFL Network (via the Cincinnati Enquirer), the Bengals instead will attempt to sign Houshmandzadeh to a long-term deal.

Assuming Schefter is correct (and we’ve got no reason to think he isn’t), why in the hell would the Bengals view the two subjects as mutually exclusive?

The better approach would be to attempt to sign Houshmandzadeh to a long-term deal, while at all times keeping the ability to use the franchise tag as a last resort in the team’s back pocket.

The concept is known in the football business (and in most other industries) as “leverage.” So why wouldn’t the Bengals at least use the threat of the tag to help persuade Houshmandzadeh to sign a new deal?

Maybe it’s because they’re, you know, the Bengals.

 

[theogt]

People generally blame coaches when there is something wrong that they cannot identify. Therefore, since coaching is done behind closed doors, it must be the coaches fault.

Our coaches could do a better job, no doubt. But Garrett and Wade are far from why we are losing games.

I agree that's usually the case. But people have been very specific about the shortcomings of Garrett's playcalling.

 

[Idgit]

I can 100% remember Troy Aikman saying that RW runs some of the poorest routes of all WRs in the NFL. I believe he said it during one of his broadcasts of a game before the trade ever even happened. No I don't have a link, but I'm sure other people had to hear it.

You can hear him say it. I cant remember if I was watching a lions game or if it was a cowboys lion game in 06, But he said it. And I then heard him reiterate it on the musers the following week on the ticket.

He didnt say it with venom, he said in a way that was like I cant believe he catches all these balls when he is this poor on the technical side...

If I get the time or the desire I will go back and watch the 04 and 06 games against the lions. I think its one of those games.

I remember it, too. It was back when Roy was with the Lions, but we were already talking on this board about getting him at some point, because I remember hearing Aikman make the comment and thinking that maybe I didn't know as much about Williams' ability as I thought I did.

Re: route running, I guess I just don't understand why it's a problem that's allowed to continue. If we're talking about shaving routes and not coming out of breaks crisply enough, that's one thing. But there are example in big games of players just not finishing routes at all. I don't understand how this can happen. Or, if it does, that stuff should be so obvious in a film session that players like TO and Williams would be embarrassed by it enough that they don't have the stones to complain to the OC about why they're not getting balls. It doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Alexander]

I believe he said it during one of his broadcasts of a game before the trade ever even happened.

Since when has Aikman done a lot of the Lions games?

 

[dcfanatic]

How does the play result not matter if the play is designed to get Witten open in the middle?

I don't know what the route called was, but the play is designed for Witten. Romo doesn't even look to the left, he pumps to Owens and throws the perfect pass to Witten. And the throw happens before Roy has even gotten to the end of his route.

You need to talk to a football coach, lol.

What happens when Witten isn't open. Then T.O. isn't open.

Then Romo looks to Roy and he's sitting there holding hand with the CB.

Any coach will tell you that a WR has to work hard on every route so the defender can't relax.

 

[theebs]

Since when has Aikman done a lot of the Lions games?

Well If you dont believe me, I will go look it in a few If I get a chance.

I remember him saying it, and I remember him being asked about saying it by george dunham on the following thursday.

I think it was the 04 or 05 game. I dont think aikman called the final week we played detroit, I think he was in ny for ny-philly or something. And williams didnt play against us in 07.

 

[theebs]

Uh...Torry Holt is not a good route runner.

You should be banned from every football message board on the internet.

Holt is highly regarded as the finest route runner in the league and a master tactician with the intrical points of being a wr and where to be when the ball is snapped.

Your really pathetic.

 

[NextGenBoys]

I agree that's usually the case. But people have been very specific about the shortcomings of Garrett's playcalling.

Oh no doubt there have been posters who make valid claims about their beef with our coaches. You can tell the people who know football on this board, and who doesnt.

I'm just saying a lot of times people just say, "Man Garrett sucks!" and then have nothing to say to back it up with, thats all.

...btw, your above post proves my point regarding who knows the game and who doesnt

 

[Eskimo]

For now we are stuck with both of these guys as WRs.

Hopefully, RW can be reformed, but that is questionable as I've always believed that work ethic is mostly an internal character trait that can rarely be learned. Ray Sherman will have his work cut out for him now that RW has got his money.

 

[Bleu Star]

Troy aikman referred to him repeatedly as the worst route runner he has ever seen and Laufenberg has commented now two weeks in a row, that watching roy williams and T.O. run routes its no wonder the offense is struggling. He said he couldnt figure out which route either was running and they keep stopping on top of it.

That is why I crack up when I see joe the blogger making these long winded posts about how garrett and romo suck.

Funny how you lump TO into a Roy Williams route running discussion. I never saw that coming.

Just for the record, Romo and Garret do bear a portion of responsibility for our lack of production on offense. No one is bulletproof including TO, Romo, and Garrett...

If the route running is poor get in their ***** until it improves... That's called coaching up. Garrett should try it. Romo should also shed the aw shucks persona and get in their ***** upon returning to the huddle after a ****ed up play. That's called leadership. Romo should give it a shot...

No more Gomer Pyle please..

I know nothing about football. Carry on.

 

[theebs]

Funny how you lump TO into a Roy Williams route running discussion. I never saw that coming.

The offense is out of sync for a reason. I am simply relaying what trained professionals see on the field during a game. The comments about him have been consistent all year.

And when he plays well he gets consistent praise also. If you think your hero is without fault, think again.

 

[dcfanatic]

Uh...Torry Holt is not a good route runner.

:bang2:

Now I think you are saying stupid things just to annoy us.

Did you see that coaches film above?



I can't even believe you had the nads to post in this thread.

http://www.video-line.com/p-83-train-with-big-game-essence-of-a-true-receiver.aspx

Pleaee go buy one of those.

Holt only played in the most successful timing based passing game in the last century, but he's not a good route runner, lol.