Michael Irvin says Roy Williams doesnt run complete routes

[theogt]

The sense is that he's running a lazy route and he would have never be an option for Romo because he took himself out of the play.

How does running lazy routes have nothing to do with running routes?

And it's not a running play. It's a passing play and he's the fourth option, that's your theory, so he's supposed to be coming back to the QB at some point. Instead he kills the route and stands there. So his route ends there when it's supposed to end up somewhere 5 yards closer to the LOS of scrimmage on an angle towards the QB.

But I think we are saying the same thing.

The route was so poor it was dead before it even began.

This response is just all over the place.

 

[Rampage]

This response is just all over the place.

hey you think Felix should replace Barber on goalline plays since he's such a power back?

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

maybe that's by design.

if they can't figure out what your running from the film, what is the defense going to do?

genuis, i tell you, genuis!

:laugh2:

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I don't understand if they are not running routes properly

why Garrett still insists that they run these long routes?

 

[newlander]

Man...where to begin. First, I'm not going to get into Romo, or T.O. or Witten: they're all human and make mistakes: especially Romo, BUT in fairness the title of the thread was RW's poor route running. I've lived in Michigan all my life and even though I'm NOT a Lion's fan, I still have been forced to watch a few games and this guy had a rep for running sloppy routes the whole time he was with that team. It was well known and there were LOTS of throws during Lions games that were NO where near the guy. Now he's with Dallas and we're seeing the same kind of thing. I don't think he sucks by any stretch of the imagination, nor is he "lazy", but I really think he could work on cleaning up his routes in terms of getting in and out of them ON TIME and in synch with Romo. Of course as others have pointed out, this will improve during the offseason but not before then. I also agree with other posters that he's a little like Irving with regard to being open when he isn't. In other words, let him go up and get it or throw a fade route or comeback route for him to adjust to the ball. He's big, athletic and capable of making the catches. As for the picks we traded for him: doesn't look real good right now, but I'm not ready to concede anything: some work with someone like Cris Carter, or Irvin or Rice would do this guy a world of good IMO. He could still be very good if he could just becoming more technically precise in his route running: something he was either never coached in Detroit or didn't pick up on. Rant over.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I don't understand if they are not running routes properly

why Garrett still insists that they run these long routes?

Garrett is a tool. If they WR are running lazy routes change the routes.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

If Roy Williams is not running the correct routes, this will hurt the chemistry between Tony Romo and himself.

Also, if Roy Williams is indeed not finishing his routes, Tony Romo probably wouldn't trust him.

Furthermore, if you have players running lazy routes, it is ultimately Wade Phillips and the Position Coach's job to address the situation. It isn't like Roy Williams doesn't have competition but would Wade Phillips have to courage to do something probably counter to what Jerry Jones would want?

At this point, I believe the Offense is more fluid with Miles Austin in the lineup.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If Roy Williams is not running the correct routes, this will hurt the chemistry between Tony Romo and himself.

Also, if Roy Williams is indeed not finishing his routes, Tony Romo probably wouldn't trust him.

Furthermore, if you have players running lazy routes, it is ultimately Wade Phillips and the Position Coach's job to address the situation. It isn't like Roy Williams doesn't have competition but would Wade Phillips have to courage to do something probably counter to what Jerry Jones would want?

At this point, I believe the Offense is more fluid with Miles Austin in the lineup.

probably, but with Jerry so involved...

 

[newlander]

I can't disagree with that M-sama. But it's not like RW doesn't bring a good effort and real nice down field blocking to the table: because he really does. But the thing people aren't talking enough about in this thread is Romo's poor health, Procter's ineptitude and also MB3's health problems. Not excuses, but concrete reasons the offense has sputtered and RW hasn't been a factor. I hope with a whole offseason to work on it, they can get their crap together because it's obviously been a huge letdown, to say the least.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

I can't disagree with that M-sama. But it's not like RW doesn't bring a good effort and real nice down field blocking to the table: because he really does. But the thing people aren't talking enough about in this thread is Romo's poor health, Procter's ineptitude and also MB3's health problems. Not excuses, but concrete reasons the offense has sputtered and RW hasn't been a factor. I hope with a whole offseason to work on it, they can get their crap together because it's obviously been a huge letdown, to say the least.

I agree.

Tony Romo's back is still bothering him but what about the final two drives of the Ravens game, where they scored back to back Touchdowns. Tony Romo looked fine, Proctor looked fine and the obviously the Offense looked fine.

I wonder why the Offense wasn't effective until they had to be?

 

[I LOVE ME SOME ME!]

Didn't Deion accuse RW of having a poor work ethic?

You know you're lazy when Deion Sanders criticizes your work ethic.

Since when did someone become the best at their profession for 7 plus years and not have a good work ethic? He just woke up everyday and became the best cover corner of all time?


Anyway, i told everybody on this site who wanted Roy Williams on this team they were crazy and we see why. I hate being right but jeez.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I think Roy is just dumb. Listening to him talk is kinda painful. Sorta sounds like LT, that slow dumb voice.

With that said, yeah I don't think he is running good routes.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I agree.

Tony Romo's back is still bothering him but what about the final two drives of the Ravens game, where they scored back to back Touchdowns. Tony Romo looked fine, Proctor looked fine and the obviously the Offense looked fine.

I wonder why the Offense wasn't effective until they had to be?

as kiladhi likes to point out

it's when Tony isn't running the offense (yeah, I'm stealin' your thunder, k)

 

[dcfanatic]

It's amazing, but you're worse than Jordan. I didn't respond to his comments because it's useless to try and talk to him.

But to make you look silly for the 122nd time on here I will give you this...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/dr_z/news/1999/10/28/inside_football/


Which brings us back to Mike Martz and the Real West Coast Offense, as practiced with much success in St.Louis and Washington and New England.

"I couldn't have had two better mentors than Ernie and Norv," Martz said the other day. "We talk all the time. Ernie's the guy who really expanded the system, who put a twist on it. He kept finding different ways to get guys the ball, off different formations. But certain basic principles still apply.

"It's such a timing-oriented system. You want to get the ball downfield, yes, but you want to get it out quickly, and the timing portion is critical. There are no shades of gray. You've got to run in and out of your breaks -- boom, like that -- and you've got to be exactly where you're supposed to be."

I congratulated him on the trade that brought in running back Marshall Faulk, who, in the last two weeks, has supplied a nice change of pace to an offense that was beginning to look one-dimensional in favor of the pass.

"That's another thing that's critical to the system," Martz says. "Power running. You've got to be able to run the ball when you go to a three-wide receiver set, and you've got to run with power. By that I mean behind zone blocking, which is a big departure from the San Francisco system. Theirs was man-blocking, with a lot of cut-blocks and misdirection. Ours is straight power. Not many people realize this, but if we hadn't have gotten Marshall we were prepared to go with another excellent zone-blocking runner, Robert Holcombe. It takes a certain type, a guy who can run with power, who's good at picking his way through. Stephen Davis is doing that in Washington now, and that's a big reason why their offense is so good. Terry Allen 's starting to come around in New England.

"The good thing about zone-block running is that you can keep pounding away. You don't have the negative yardage plays."

I asked him whether he'd ever, in his younger days, talked offensive football with Gillman or Coryell or Zampese, before he joined his staff.

"Gillman?" he said. "Oh no, I was just a kid then and he was a God. I met Coryell a few times but I was too shy to talk football with him. When I was an assistant at Arizona State (1983-91) I used to go over and watch Ernie's system with the Rams, but it was too complicated for me to grasp. I admired it, but I didn't understand it. Believe me, I was very thankful when I got a chance to work with him."

And so are the high-flying Rams, St. Louis variety.
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I hope the Cowboys game against the Eagles on Sunday is as easy as it is to make you look silly again on CZ.

 

[theogt]

hey you think Felix should replace Barber on goalline plays since he's such a power back?

Huh??

 

[newlander]

LOTS of theories on why they can't click until the end of the game when there is urgency and they are behind M-sama. I like to think alot of this ISN'T Garret's doing: but I just don't see any originality or creativity to kick start this lethargic offense: case in point? How about trying a no huddle for the FIRST HALF of a game for a change? Ah well, as I just said in another post, it really is a little bit of everything that's affecting this offense, not just one or two things like some people in here like to mistakenly believe.

For the millionth time this season I will say this: A DOMINANT OLINE covers up alot of warts. We don't have anything close to a dominant oline..........

 

[Nors]

That Detroit wanted to bail on a Top 7 pick so fast should have been first red flag. Some put too much into hype, pedigree.

To give Roy #11 $9M a year long term deal and trade away our #1 and #3 is an epic JJ blunder. And that move killed 2008 team chemistry.

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

I agree.

Tony Romo's back is still bothering him but what about the final two drives of the Ravens game, where they scored back to back Touchdowns. Tony Romo looked fine, Proctor looked fine and the obviously the Offense looked fine.

I wonder why the Offense wasn't effective until they had to be?

as kiladhi likes to point out

it's when Tony isn't running the offense (yeah, I'm stealin' your thunder, k)

Maybe we should run a "K-gun" style offense like Buffalo used to w/ Jim Kelly...no huddle and let Tony read the defensive alignment & handle the calls b/c it seems to be the only time we've been effective lately...

 

[5Countem5]

It's amazing, but you're worse than Jordan. I didn't respond to his comments because it's useless to try and talk to him.

But to make you look silly for the 122nd time on here I will give you this...

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/dr_z/news/1999/10/28/inside_football/


Which brings us back to Mike Martz and the Real West Coast Offense, as practiced with much success in St.Louis and Washington and New England.

"I couldn't have had two better mentors than Ernie and Norv," Martz said the other day. "We talk all the time. Ernie's the guy who really expanded the system, who put a twist on it. He kept finding different ways to get guys the ball, off different formations. But certain basic principles still apply.

"It's such a timing-oriented system. You want to get the ball downfield, yes, but you want to get it out quickly, and the timing portion is critical. There are no shades of gray. You've got to run in and out of your breaks -- boom, like that -- and you've got to be exactly where you're supposed to be."

I congratulated him on the trade that brought in running back Marshall Faulk, who, in the last two weeks, has supplied a nice change of pace to an offense that was beginning to look one-dimensional in favor of the pass.

"That's another thing that's critical to the system," Martz says. "Power running. You've got to be able to run the ball when you go to a three-wide receiver set, and you've got to run with power. By that I mean behind zone blocking, which is a big departure from the San Francisco system. Theirs was man-blocking, with a lot of cut-blocks and misdirection. Ours is straight power. Not many people realize this, but if we hadn't have gotten Marshall we were prepared to go with another excellent zone-blocking runner, Robert Holcombe. It takes a certain type, a guy who can run with power, who's good at picking his way through. Stephen Davis is doing that in Washington now, and that's a big reason why their offense is so good. Terry Allen 's starting to come around in New England.

"The good thing about zone-block running is that you can keep pounding away. You don't have the negative yardage plays."

I asked him whether he'd ever, in his younger days, talked offensive football with Gillman or Coryell or Zampese, before he joined his staff.

"Gillman?" he said. "Oh no, I was just a kid then and he was a God. I met Coryell a few times but I was too shy to talk football with him. When I was an assistant at Arizona State (1983-91) I used to go over and watch Ernie's system with the Rams, but it was too complicated for me to grasp. I admired it, but I didn't understand it. Believe me, I was very thankful when I got a chance to work with him."

And so are the high-flying Rams, St. Louis variety.
----------------------------------------

I hope the Cowboys game against the Eagles on Sunday is as easy as it is to make you look silly again on CZ.

Actually, I was laughing at your disappearing, off to google something act. It had nothing to do with Martz's offense, but keep patting yourself on the back , ol' Skip...

 

[jimmy40]

"It's such a timing-oriented system. You want to get the ball downfield, yes, but you want to get it out quickly, and the timing portion is critical. There are no shades of gray. You've got to run in and out of your breaks -- boom, like that -- and you've got to be exactly where you're supposed to be."

Didn't RW make the pro bowl in this system?