Michael Irvin says Roy Williams doesnt run complete routes

[Apollo Creed]

I really, really, really wanted Jerrah to trade for Houshmandzadeh.

I would have rather traded away some picks and maybe a player to slide up and get Crabtree. Dude is going to be a beast in this league, for a long time. He's one of those can't miss WRs like Calvin Johnson.

 

[Idgit]

This is very disturbing.

The the WRs can't run routes, or that Babe Laughingstock can't recognize them?

 

[jimmy40]

I think Roy is just dumb. Listening to him talk is kinda painful. Sorta sounds like LT, that slow dumb voice.

With that said, yeah I don't think he is running good routes.

Someone from South Carolina talking smack about slow dumb voices?

 

[percyhoward]

Troy aikman referred to him repeatedly as the worst route runner he has ever seen and Laufenberg has commented now two weeks in a row, that watching roy williams and T.O. run routes its no wonder the offense is struggling. He said he couldnt figure out which route either was running and they keep stopping on top of it.

That is why I crack up when I see joe the blogger making these long winded posts about how garrett and romo suck.

Not seeing how going pass-heavy in an offense whose WR's run sloppy routes lets Garrett off the hook.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Someone from South Carolina talking smack about slow dumb voices?

A law student that finds your excessive use of emoticons and witless state-stereotype joke lame.

Creative handle too nerd, hows your wife and my kids?

 

[theebs]

Not seeing how going pass-heavy in an offense whose WR's run sloppy routes lets Garrett off the hook.

It doesnt.

But I have a feeling, the staff knows that we dont run block very well and everyone beats us to the edges, so our offense has to go pass first and get those ends up the field and hold the linebackers for a second.

Then run on the interior.

 

[theogt]

I re-watched the Ravens game and you can't see anything from the television broadcast that would indicate RW11 runs poor routes. But obviously you see a lot more live at the game, so it's hard for any of us to verify this or not.

Also, after re-watching the game, I cannot emphasize enough how poorly the O-line played. And it's not just a single player. If Procter isn't screwing up, Davis is. If Davis isn't screwing up Gurode is, etc.

 

[percyhoward]

I have a feeling, the staff knows that we dont run block very well and everyone beats us to the edges, so our offense has to go pass first and get those ends up the field and hold the linebackers for a second.

Then run on the interior.

You get that feeling from which game, exactly?

 

[theebs]

I re-watched the Ravens game and you can't see anything from the television broadcast that would indicate RW11 runs poor routes. But obviously you see a lot more live at the game, so it's hard for any of us to verify this or not.

Also, after re-watching the game, I cannot emphasize enough how poorly the O-line played. And it's not just a single player. If Procter isn't screwing up, Davis is. If Davis isn't screwing up Gurode is, etc.

Absolutely. There was a free man every snap. People jump on romo, but how is he supposed read the defense, then dodge a player, then re read the defense and make an accurate throw.

During commercial breaks, romo was going off on the line. Flozell adams had to be seperated last week on that safety after gurode snapped the ball too soon.

it just seems there is no discipline or focus.

 

[theebs]

You get that feeling from which game, exactly?

Every game. We can barely ever create holes for the running game.

Without kosier pulling outside we almost never can get outside. We have completely stopped running that toss play without kosier and it seems there is a free guy on the edge, even when the fronts are only 7 men.

Just like romo, alot of times are backs have had to make someone miss almost instantly.

 

[theogt]

Absolutely. There was a free man every snap. People jump on romo, but how is he supposed read the defense, then dodge a player, then re read the defense and make an accurate throw.

During commercial breaks, romo was going off on the line. Flozell adams had to be seperated last week on that safety after gurode snapped the ball too soon.

it just seems there is no discipline or focus.

I expected the opposite from a Houck line. Just bizarre.

 

[percyhoward]

Every game. We can barely ever create holes for the running game.

What we have created, though, is yards.

Barber, Choice, and Jones have averaged 4.5 ypc over the first half of games.

 

[theebs]

What we have created, though, is yards.

Barber, Choice, and Jones have averaged 4.5 ypc over the first half of games.

Yes there have been a bunch of big runs. We do not lineup and consistently run the football effectively however.

The green bay, cincy, cleveland games we had a couple of big bursts.

But we do not lineup and run the ball that well and I think the staff knows they have to throw first, especially in games where they know they have to move the chains and score points.

This group never really has. We get a few big runs that offset the stats every week, which is fine but I think they know they wont just lineup early in games and shove it down peoples throats, and it might have something to do with why we dont score any points in the first quarter.

 

[Rack]

No..I don't know why you are the biggest, whiniest hater on here. Upbringing I guess. But you are synonymous with hatin'.

I don't know if he's a hater or not (I'd probably go with "not") but he sure as hell isn't the whiniest poster here.


That title belongs to you, by a long shot.

 

[percyhoward]

Yes there have been a bunch of big runs. We do not lineup and consistently run the football effectively however.

3 4 3 1 2 2 1
6 2 4 7 2 2 0 29

Those are Choice's first quarter rushing gains over the last three games. That's about as typical a distribution as you could expect for that number of carries--except maybe for the fact that there were no tackles for loss.

There's no lack of consistency there, unless you want to say that every team's running game lacks consistency.

 

[Apollo Creed]

We should, for once, try a gadget play this week. Reid has hurt our feelings with them so much in the past, we owe him big time. We should come out early and run a double reverse pass, let Crayton throw it. Or maybe just a flea flicker, something. We've got to find a way to get some points on the board early.

 

[5Countem5]

I don't know if he's a hater or not (I'd probably go with "not") but he sure as hell isn't the whiniest poster here.


That title belongs to you, by a long shot.

I don't whine about the Cowboys, just the whiners , it's clear I just don't have the patience with these so-called "fans" that you do...:laugh2:

 

[percyhoward]

Just to add about the consistency of our running game...

We average 4.3 yards per rush, good for 9th in the NFL.

There are twelve teams that average between 4.1 and 4.5, and of those twelve, five have more big runs (20+ yards) than we do, five have fewer, and one has the same number.

So our 4.3 per rush isn't skewed by an unusual number of big runs.

The theory that we need to pass first because we can't run consistently doesn't hold water.

 

[Rack]

Just to add about the consistency of our running game...

We average 4.3 yards per rush, good for 9th in the NFL.

There are twelve teams that average between 4.1 and 4.5, and of those twelve, five have more big runs (20+ yards) than we do, five have fewer, and one has the same number.

So our 4.3 per rush isn't skewed by an unusual number of big runs.

The theory that we need to pass first because we can't run consistently doesn't hold water.

Very valid point. I just think Garrett gives up on the run to easily.

I said it during the first half of the ravens game, those 1 and 2 yard gains will add up and tire a defense out.

What happened in the 4th quarter? Yeah, I don't even want to type it out.

 

[Bleu Star]

What happened in the 4th quarter? Yeah, I don't even want to type it out.

Lemme help

4th Quarter
Dallas Cowboys continues ...
1-10-BAL 40 (15:00) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass short right to 23-T.Choice pushed ob at BAL 35 for 5 yards (31-F.Washington). Pass complete in the flat.
2-5-BAL 35 (14:41) 23-T.Choice up the middle to BAL 33 for 2 yards (52-R.Lewis).
3-3-BAL 33 (13:54) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass short right to 11-Roy E.Williams to BAL 25 for 8 yards (92-H.Ngata). Pass complete after roll right by Romo.
1-10-BAL 25 (13:06) 9-T.Romo pass short right to 23-T.Choice to BAL 20 for 5 yards (55-T.Suggs). Pass complete on flare route.
2-5-BAL 20 (12:24) 23-T.Choice right tackle to BAL 16 for 4 yards (52-R.Lewis).
3-1-BAL 16 (11:37) 9-T.Romo FUMBLES (Aborted) at BAL 17, ball out of bounds at BAL 17. On option-right, Romo's lateral to Choice rolled out-of-bounds.
4-2-BAL 17 (11:32) (Field Goal formation) 6-N.Folk 35 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-91-L.Ladouceur, Holder-14-B.Johnson.


Dallas Cowboys at 06:30
3-M.Stover kicks 63 yards from BAL 30 to DAL 7. 19-M.Austin to DAL 30 for 23 yards (28-T.Zbikowski). Return left sideline.
1-10-DAL 30 (6:23) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete deep left to 11-Roy E.Williams. Pass incomplete on curl.
2-10-DAL 30 (6:18) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass short left to 81-T.Owens ran ob at DAL 39 for 9 yards [90-T.Pryce].
3-1-DAL 39 (5:49) (Shotgun) 23-T.Choice up the middle to DAL 48 for 9 yards (50-A.Barnes).
1-10-DAL 48 (5:26) (No Huddle, Shotgun) PENALTY on DAL-75-M.Colombo, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at DAL 48 - No Play.
1-15-DAL 43 (5:05) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass deep middle to 82-J.Witten to BAL 22 for 35 yards (20-E.Reed).
1-10-BAL 22 (4:37) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short middle (55-T.Suggs). Suggs knocked the ball down at the line of scrimmage.
2-10-BAL 22 (4:31) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass short right to 84-P.Crayton to BAL 7 for 15 yards (31-F.Washington) [52-R.Lewis].
1-7-BAL 7 (3:57) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left to 11-Roy E.Williams. Pass incomplete left corner of the end zone.
2-7-BAL 7 (3:54) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass short right to 81-T.Owens for 7 yards, TOUCHDOWN. 3-step drop back; pass caught right corner of the end zone.
6-N.Folk extra point is GOOD, Center-91-L.Ladouceur, Holder-14-B.Johnson.


Dallas Cowboys at 03:32
3-M.Stover kicks 62 yards from BAL 30 to DAL 8. 19-M.Austin to DAL 30 for 22 yards. FUMBLES, recovered by DAL-57-K.Burnett at DAL 29. 57-K.Burnett to DAL 29 for no gain (50-A.Barnes).
1-10-DAL 29 (3:25) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short right to 23-T.Choice. Pass thrown in the flat.
2-10-DAL 29 (3:21) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left to 11-Roy E.Williams. Pass incomplete at the Dallas 39.
3-10-DAL 29 (3:16) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass short middle to 82-J.Witten to DAL 43 for 14 yards (35-C.Ivy) [36-J.Leonhard].
1-10-DAL 43 (2:51) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short left to 23-T.Choice. Pass incomplete at the Dallas 45; Lewis closest defender.
2-10-DAL 43 (2:45) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short middle to 84-P.Crayton [52-R.Lewis]. Pass incomplete on curl at the Baltimore 45; Ivy closest defender.
3-10-DAL 43 (2:41) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass deep middle to 84-P.Crayton to BAL 32 for 25 yards (36-J.Leonhard) [90-T.Pryce].
1-10-BAL 32 (2:13) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 9-T.Romo sacked at BAL 44 for -12 yards (53-J.McClain).
Two-Minute Warning
2-22-BAL 44 (2:00) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass deep right to 81-T.Owens ran ob at BAL 24 for 20 yards.
3-2-BAL 24 (1:55) (Shotgun) 23-T.Choice right end pushed ob at BAL 21 for 3 yards (25-E.Oglesby).
1-10-BAL 21 (1:50) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short middle to 84-P.Crayton (31-F.Washington). Pass incomplete at the Baltimore 12; Romo escapes two tackles in the scramble.
2-10-BAL 21 (1:41) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass deep middle to 82-J.Witten for 21 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
6-N.Folk extra point is GOOD, Center-91-L.Ladouceur, Holder-14-B.Johnson.
BLT 26 DAL 24 Plays: 11 Possession: 1:56


Dallas Cowboys at 01:18
3-M.Stover kicks 55 yards from BAL 30 to DAL 15. 21-A.Jones pushed ob at BAL 44 for 41 yards (3-M.Stover).
1-10-BAL 44 (1:10) (Shotgun) PENALTY on DAL-76-F.Adams, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at BAL 44 - No Play.
1-15-BAL 49 (1:10) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete short middle to 11-Roy E.Williams. Pass incomplete on slant; Walker closest defender. Jason Witten has a knee sprain.
2-15-BAL 49 (1:06) (Shotgun) PENALTY on DAL-9-T.Romo, Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at BAL 49 - No Play.
2-20-DAL 46 (1:06) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass incomplete deep right. Pass thrown out of bounds at the Baltimore 35.
3-20-DAL 46 (1:00) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass short right to 84-P.Crayton to BAL 36 for 18 yards (35-C.Ivy).
Timeout #1 by DAL at 00:57.
4-2-BAL 36 57) (Shotgun) 9-T.Romo pass short left to 11-Roy E.Williams to BAL 38 for -2 yards (35-C.Ivy).
Baltimore Ravens at 00:52
1-10-BAL 38 52) 5-J.Flacco kneels to BAL 34 for -4 yards.
Timeout #2 by DAL at 00:48.
2-14-BAL 34 48) 5-J.Flacco kneels to BAL 30 for -4 yards.
Timeout #3 by DAL at 00:44.
3-18-BAL 30 44) 5-J.Flacco kneels to BAL 28 for -2 yards.
END GAME