Michael Mayer vs Cole Kmet

[CATCH17]

I dunno…unless one of these TEs is a clear high upside low floor guy, I’d rather just roll with Fergushot and a mid round pick in a deep TE draft.

Give me a ready to play OL at 26. Watch and see if we aren’t heavily relying on that guy by December.

Exactly.

Ferguson showed a ton of upside. Dude can block and was surprisingly athletic.

 

[fivetwos]

Not saying I would take him over Mayer at all.

I just would like a player that’s more explosive with my first round pick and Mayer is the type of TE that everyone would love in 1995 but not so much in 2023.

I don’t see him as a vertical threat.

I feel like anything he can do Ferguson can as well.

They need a dynamic playmaker. That can be at any of the skill positions. Zay Flowers would seem to fit the bill, but will likely be gone.

I don’t see Mayer as being that type. If they want to go “safe,” go with an OL.

We all like to give Jerry and his crew a tough time, but they have had enormous success with 1st rd OL…..Tyron and Martin are first ballot HOFers. Only reason Fred isn’t going is because of his illness, and with no disrespect to Biadasz, this offense still misses him badly.

Speaking of Biadasz, he and Steele are FA after this season. Would be nice to be ahead of losing one or both.

 

[CATCH17]

They need a dynamic playmaker. That can be at any of the skill positions. Zay Flowers would seem to fit the bill, but will likely be gone.

I don’t see Mayer as being that type. If they want to go “safe,” go with an OL.

We all like to give Jerry and his crew a tough time, but they have had enormous success with 1st rd OL…..Tyron and Martin are first ballot HOFers. Only reason Fred isn’t going is because of his illness, and with no disrespect to Biadasz, this offense still misses him badly.

Speaking of Biadasz, he and Steele are FA after this season. Would be nice to be ahead of losing one or both.

My biggest fear right now is Jamyr Gibbs being the next Alvin Kamara or Jamaal Charles and we pass on him and some team like the Chiefs get him.

I’m anti pay RBs but I’d still take one in the first and get all I could for the next 5 years if they are a special player and I think Gibbs is being ignored for how much big play potential he brings.

When you can turn around and give the ball to a guy who can score on every play it just makes a huge difference.

 

[cnuball21]

Ya but that is not expected production from a 4th rounder

Only 3 of the top 10 receiving TEs last year were 1st rounders.

I like Mayer…it just seems like an easy position to develop into a quality player unless you have a Kyle Pitts available.

 

[fivetwos]

My biggest fear right now is Jamyr Gibbs being the next Alvin Kamara or Jamaal Charles and we pass on him and some team like the Chiefs get him.

I’m anti pay RBs but I’d still take one in the first and get all I could for the next 5 years if they are a special player and I think Gibbs is being ignored for how much big play potential he brings.

When you can turn around and give the ball to a guy who can score on every play it just makes a huge difference.

I don’t disagree, but I try to keep my expectations within what they would likely to be inclined to do, and I think they want to find value across the board, and will feel as if they can do that at RB on day three.

I think Gibbs would also fit the bill as the needed playmaker type, but I have a bad feeling they may think replacing Daks woobie with a 1st rounder is higher priority after the Cooks deal.

In the last hour I’ve convinced myself that OL ought to be the top priority, but I’m thinking they are more likely to use a Friday pick on OL, where they have had moderate at best success, or early Saturday picks, which have amounted to no much more than camp bodies.

 

[Rockport]

My biggest fear right now is Jamyr Gibbs being the next Alvin Kamara or Jamaal Charles and we pass on him and some team like the Chiefs get him.

I’m anti pay RBs but I’d still take one in the first and get all I could for the next 5 years if they are a special player and I think Gibbs is being ignored for how much big play potential he brings.

When you can turn around and give the ball to a guy who can score on every play it just makes a huge difference.

Who’s going to block for him? There will be injuries on the OL, then what?

 

[CATCH17]

Who’s going to block for him? There will be injuries on the OL, then what?

I’m always down for improving the OL.

I don’t think we need to spend a 1 to get an awesome guard but if we did it then I’d be all for another Offensive Linemen.

I’d hope it would be a guy like the kid from Tennessee who can play guard or TACKLE.

 

[Rockport]

I’m always down for improving the OL.

I don’t think we need to spend a 1 to get an awesome guard but if we did it then I’d be all for another Offensive Linemen.

I’d hope it would be a guy like the kid from Tennessee who can play guard or TACKLE.

I believe in building from the trenches out. OL or DL in the first unless someone incredible falls.

 

[Spottswoode]

Some disagree but I think the best upside comparison is Witten based on how they play the game. Neither are sudden movers who make a living blowing by defenders but both have a next level feel for the game, are good in-line TE’s, solid blockers, good hands, good in traffic, good in contested catches, good at boxing out, good catch radius, and both do an excellent job setting up defenders and creating space. He may not reach Witten levels but his style and understanding of the position is very similar and he‘s probably more polished coming out of college.

I don’t think just comparing Mayer’s college stats with Kmet is a fair comparison. TE’s (college & pro) usually need time to develop and Mayer was pretty close to NFL ready his sophomore season. Kmet still needed development when he left. Mayer was the main focus of ND’s passing offense and represented 1/3 of ND’s production in 2022. Most college teams don’t use TE’s to that degree. Kmet‘s usage rate was also much higher on deep routes. Between the ears, they weren’t even on the same planet and IMO, that’s what makes Mayer potentially special.

 

[CowboyRoy]

If Cole Kmet was in this draft class would you say he is still worth a first rounder after watching him play in the NFL?

Compare that to Michael Mayer.

Mayer looks good at everything but will this guy ever be anything more then just a solid TE?

I think we already have a solid TE on the roster.

Now could he be the next Witten type? Sure but good luck projecting that because the guys skill set is just a dime a dozen to me.

I think he’ll be a good pro but will he ever validate a 1st?

Also consider how many TEs we see go in the first round and it usually takes them time to develop and just never seems worth it.

What does Kmet have to do with anything? And lets not forget that for most of Kmets career he was in Chicago with horrible QB's on horrible offenses.

I am not a big TE guy and I would typically NEVER take a TE in the first. But this kid looks like one of the best all around TE's I have seen. Blocks as well as he catches. And he appears to be an emotional tough leader. Its what this offense needs. And we know Dak loves his TE's.

But there is no question that first round TE's rarely work out.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Not remotely similar in game footage and definitely not with regards to stats.

If somebody does one of those re-drafts in a couple of years, Mayer will be top 5 from this draft.

Format: Catches, Yards, TDs

Stats for 3 seasons (Both player at Notre Dame):
Cole Kmet
60, 691, 6

Michael Mayer
180, 2099,18


Mayer Single Season vs Kmet's 3 season total
Cole Kmet (3 seasons)
60, 691, 6

Michael Mayer (2022)
67, 809, 9

Michael Mayer (2021)
71, 840, 7

Mayer is everything you would want in a REAL all around TE. And what a GL weapon that cant catch it, then block for the run game. He would make both the run game and the passing game better.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I prefer more of a modern day TE who is a mismatch in the passing game, have Kincaid higher, but Mayer is also an excellent prospect at the position.

Mayer is a mismatch in the passing game. IF Kincaid is a 9 as a pass catching TE, Mayer is an 8. And if Mayer is an 8 as a blocker, Kincaid is a 3. Give me Mayer all day.

 

[Cowboyny]

Mayer is a mismatch in the passing game. IF Kincaid is a 9 as a pass catching TE, Mayer is an 8. And if Mayer is an 8 as a blocker, Kincaid is a 3. Give me Mayer all day.

You keep on harping on this, you like Mayer better, I get it.

 

[Spottswoode]

I prefer more of a modern day TE who is a mismatch in the passing game, have Kincaid higher, but Mayer is also an excellent prospect at the position.

This is where I am. I think Mayer is a lock as a good starting TE but I’m unsure of his ceiling. Nothing wrong with locking in your TE for the next 10 years, though he will likely never see the same attention he did in college. Maybe he becomes special but in today’s NFL, I think he would need to become more of a stretch threat. IMO, Mayer & Kincaid easily warrant a 1st round pick from someone.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You keep on harping on this, you like Mayer better, I get it.

Just dont want you putting out false information for those looking to be educated. Your claim that "Kincaid is a much better receiver" is not true.

 

[Cowboyny]

Just dont want you putting out false information for those looking to be educated. Your claim that "Kincaid is a much better receiver" is not true.

On Dane Bruglar's top 100, Mayer is 19, Kincaid is 20. They are both legitimate 1st rd prospects. As I have said before, it is just the matter of which fits better for your particular team.

 

[Cowboyny]

This is where I am. I think Mayer is a lock as a good starting TE but I’m unsure of his ceiling. Nothing wrong with locking in your TE for the next 10 years, though he will likely never see the same attention he did in college. Maybe he becomes special but in today’s NFL, I think he would need to become more of a stretch threat. IMO, Mayer & Kincaid easily warrant a 1st round pick from someone.

Mayer no doubt has the highest floor, he will be a solid pro, just don't know if he will be anything higher. I see Kincaid in the Zach Ertz Mold, one who needs to be covered by a corner or he will exploit linebackers/safeties in coverage.

I think many are discounting the new wco offensive scheme, it's not like the prior system we had with Moore and a few other before him. We are going to see a lot less 22 personnel and more multiple receiver sets, this is why they are looking to even add another starting caliber receiver.

 

[Malhavoc]

Mayer is better than Kmet. I personally think Kincaid is the best receiving prospect at TE. I also think that Mayer is a bit underrated because he‘s not a super athlete with length. I wouldn’t mind either player at 26.

 

[gtb1943]

You keep on harping on this, you like Mayer better, I get it.

and you have a blind spot, I get it.
You have this idea that a TE is not going to be that important. Take a good hard look at the new OC's past record.

 

[CATCH17]

Mayer is better than Kmet. I personally think Kincaid is the best receiving prospect at TE. I also think that Mayer is a bit underrated because he‘s not a super athlete with length. I wouldn’t mind either player at 26.

To me Kmet showed more upside as a receiving threat. Especially vertically and he also showed more of an ability to create separation at the top of routes.





He just moves a lot more fluid than Mayer.