Michael Mayer vs Cole Kmet

[CowboyRoy]

On Dane Bruglar's top 100, Mayer is 19, Kincaid is 20. They are both legitimate 1st rd prospects. As I have said before, it is just the matter of which fits better for your particular team.

Most rankings have Mayer the better TE.

 

[Malhavoc]

To me Kmet showed more upside as a receiving threat. Especially vertically and he also showed more of an ability to create separation at the top of routes.





He just moves a lot more fluid than Mayer.

Not sure I agree with that I think Mayer is a far better route runner and especially better with ball in his hands. And he has terrific hands.

 

[xwalker]

Just a lazy comparison because they went to the same school. Anyone who watched both guys careers would tell you Mayer is the far superior player. That feels like a very "I watched both guys highlights" level analysis. Watch the tape and review the full body of work.

 

[xwalker]

Not saying I would take him over Mayer at all.

I just would like a player that’s more explosive with my first round pick and Mayer is the type of TE that everyone would love in 1995 but not so much in 2023.

I don’t see him as a vertical threat.

I feel like anything he can do Ferguson can as well.

Was Witten a vertical threat...

 

[Beaker42]

I think he’ll just be a safety valve type.

No real ability to stretch the field vertically at the NFL level I think.

Compare him to someone like Jamyr Gibbs. Gibbs is going to be a explosive playmaker at the next level.

Mayer is likely just going to be solid.

He's a slightly faster version Schultz.

 

[CATCH17]

Was Witten a vertical threat...

I’d rather try to find a TE that’s more modern.

Witten Box’d up the offense toward the end of his career even though he could still catch a bunch of passes.

 

[TNCowboy]

You could take any player's measurables and do the much the same thing. Lot of folks didn't want to draft Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin because of mediocre speed.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Here’s my final take on Mayer.

If this team was completely gutted at TE I’d be all about drafting Mayer.

That said, I don’t think he’s is markedly better than Ferguson in terms of skill or ability; we’re talking about going from a C+ to a B. It doesn’t make sense to add a similar player to the one you already have.

I’m more interested in adding some juice to the TE room. A Kyle Pitts/Chig Okonkwo type. A TE that’s mismatch when he lines up outside or in the slot.

That’s why I’m open to the idea of a Kincaid or even trying to develop a guy like Zack Kuntz.

 

[Cowboyny]

Here’s my final take on Mayer.

If this team was completely gutted at TE I’d be all about drafting Mayer.

That said, I don’t think he’s is markedly better than Ferguson in terms of skill or ability; we’re talking about going from a C+ to a B. It doesn’t make sense to add a similar player to the one you already have.

I’m more interested in adding some juice to the TE room. A Kyle Pitts/Chig Okonkwo type. A TE that’s mismatch when he lines up outside or in the slot.

That’s why I’m open to the idea of a Kincaid or even trying to develop a guy like Zack Kuntz.

I think you are under selling Mayer as a receiver, he is far better then Ferguson in that regard, but as blockers, think Ferguson is comparable. Mayer might not blow you away with his athletic ability, but he knows how to find holes in the zone and catches everything.

I am in agreement with you, rather add a different type of TE that we already have on our roster with Kincaid. He is more of a modern day, mismatch type in the passing game. He is the best route runner and gets the most separation within the positional group. Not saying either will become these players, but it's like drafting Kelce (Kincaid) or Kittles (Mayer), just the matter what type you rather have as both are legitimate 1st rd TE prospects, especially with a weak WR class at the top.

 

[CATCH17]

You could take any player's measurables and do the much the same thing. Lot of folks didn't want to draft Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin because of mediocre speed.

More often then not the guys with measurables are better then the guys without them.

A few outliers are exceptions and not the rule.

 

[CATCH17]

I think you are under selling Mayer as a receiver, he is far better then Ferguson in that regard, but as blockers, think Ferguson is comparable. Mayer might not blow you away with his athletic ability, but he knows how to find holes in the zone and catches everything.

I am in agreement with you, rather add a different type of TE that we already have on our roster with Kincaid. He is more of a modern day, mismatch type in the passing game. He is the best route runner and gets the most separation within the positional group. Not saying either will become these players, but it's like drafting Kelce (Kincaid) or Kittles (Mayer), just the matter what type you rather have as both are legitimate 1st rd TE prospects, especially with a weak WR class at the top.

Forever how much better Mayer is than Fergusln as a receiver, and I don’t think it’s by a lot if any, how much more actual production will he provide?

It’s so minimal that I do not see the value of this pick.

Now if he turns into Jason Witten then hey I’ll admit I was wrong but what are the odds of that?

So many of these TEs come into the league and they’re just mediocre.

 

[Cowboyny]

Forever how much better Mayer is than Fergusln as a receiver, and I don’t think it’s by a lot if any, how much more actual production will he provide?

It’s so minimal that I do not see the value of this pick.

Now if he turns into Jason Witten then hey I’ll admit I was wrong but what are the odds of that?

So many of these TEs come into the league and they’re just mediocre.

Mayer is an elite prospect, Ferguson was a day 3 player who is more of a blocking TE. He isn't in the same stratosphere as a receiver.

 

[CATCH17]

Mayer is an elite prospect, Ferguson was a day 3 player who is more of a blocking TE. He isn't in the same stratosphere as a receiver.

Would Mayers production be significantly greater than Fergusons if both were given the same circumstances?

Most of you’re “elite prospects” at TE weren’t first rounder btw.

It’s a development position. These guys usually don’t hit the ground running out of college.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Mayer is an elite prospect, Ferguson was a day 3 player who is more of a blocking TE. He isn't in the same stratosphere as a receiver.

I think you are under selling Mayer as a receiver, he is far better then Ferguson in that regard, but as blockers, think Ferguson is comparable. Mayer might not blow you away with his athletic ability, but he knows how to find holes in the zone and catches everything.
I am in agreement with you, rather add a different type of TE that we already have on our roster with Kincaid. He is more of a modern day, mismatch type in the passing game. He is the best route runner and gets the most separation within the positional group. Not saying either will become these players, but it's like drafting Kelce (Kincaid) or Kittles (Mayer), just the matter what type you rather have as both are legitimate 1st rd TE prospects, especially with a weak WR class at the top.

Yeah, I think context matters. The reason why folks slept on Ferguson in Wisconsin was because his QB was awful (worse than ND). Ferguson is a very good receiver and he'll show that this year barring injury paired with Dak.

I posted these stats last year but here again are the QBs Ferguson played with his last season in Wisconsin and the numbers they put up:

 

[AsthmaField]

Yeah, I think context matters. The reason why folks slept on Ferguson in Wisconsin was because his QB was awful (worse than ND). Ferguson is a very good receiver and he'll show that this year barring injury paired with Dak.

I posted these stats last year but here again are the QBs Ferguson played with his last season in Wisconsin and the numbers they put up:

Yeah, I agree that Ferguson is a better receiver than his draft position would indicate.

If you remember, I really liked Ferguson last year before the draft and was excited when Dallas got him in the 4th.

I agree that he can replace Shultz’s production and be a better blocker.

Speaking for myself, as far is the first round is concerned, I am Kincaid or bust. He’s the one that could seriously up the passing production for the TE room… although I do like Mayer and think he is a good player.

 

[cnuball21]

Yeah, I agree that Ferguson is a better receiver than his draft position would indicate.

If you remember, I really liked Ferguson last year before the draft and was excited when Dallas got him in the 4th.

I agree that he can replace Shultz’s production and be a better blocker.

Speaking for myself, as far is the first round is concerned, I am Kincaid or bust. He’s the one that could seriously up the passing production for the TE room… although I do like Mayer and think he is a good player.

Agree.

Mayer probably gets you to the Schultz production fairly quickly but if Fergy gets there by year 3 does that make Mayer worth it? Not for me…

But he would be a massive upgrade over Hendershot.

If we take Mayer at 26 it’s a safe pick for someone that’ll likely contribute and be solid for 5 years but I don’t think he becomes a target hog like the best TEs in football as Fergy has proved he’s got some legit YAC ability.

I wouldn’t hate the pick…it would just be very meh and I think we’ll have a better option.

 

[Cowboyny]

Yeah, I think context matters. The reason why folks slept on Ferguson in Wisconsin was because his QB was awful (worse than ND). Ferguson is a very good receiver and he'll show that this year barring injury paired with Dak.

I posted these stats last year but here again are the QBs Ferguson played with his last season in Wisconsin and the numbers they put up:

If Ferguson was in this draft, believe he probably would be rated in the late third, early fourth. In that same range where Michigan’s Spoonmaker

 

[Cowboyny]

Would Mayers production be significantly greater than Fergusons if both were given the same circumstances?

Most of you’re “elite prospects” at TE weren’t first rounder btw.

It’s a development position. These guys usually don’t hit the ground running out of college.

Yes, believe Mayer is the far better player. In a normal draft, he probably would go in the top 50 if there was a better receiver class

 

[CATCH17]

Yes, believe Mayer is the far better player. In a normal draft, he probably would go in the top 50 if there was a better receiver class

So you think he would have significant more production?

I do not.

 

[Cowboyny]

So you think he would have significant more production?

I do not.

Yes