Michael Thomas contract compared to Amari Cooper

[Rayman70]

Keep in mind New Orleans runs a passing offense predicated on Drew Brees lol... Thomas is almost always the number 1 option. Dallas' number 1 option is Zeke. Amari will have a chance under this new scheme to show how special he is. Enjoy the show.

 

[CouchCoach]

Lets see if maybe you change your mind during the year. I have a hunch Dak and company gonna ball.

Oh, my mind is a long way from made up. About Prescott and Moore.

 

[JoeKing]

It's not a stand alone position. As I said, it is something in his arsenal. Clearly if better receivers are getting $18MM/per season he has more leverage to ask for $15-16MM than if the better receivers are getting $15MM. The market is set by what teams are willing to pay, and if there is proof teams are willing to pay more that enhances a player's negotiating position.

He's only worth what the Cowboys are willing to pay, not what other teams are willing to pay. He'll end up not getting an extension if he asks for too much and I doubt other teams will give him his asking price. The Raiders certainly never valued him that much.

 

[aikemirv]

Beasley having his best year with Dak is a huge indictment of Dak's game.

Cooper saved Dak, not the other way around. They had instant chemistry because Cooper - like Beasley, actually - wins against man coverage every time.

Quoted for absolute truth!

 

[OmerV]

He's only worth what the Cowboys are willing to pay, not what other teams are willing to pay. He'll end up not getting an extension if he asks for too much and I doubt other teams will give him his asking price. The Raiders certainly never valued him that much.

That's true, but the Cowboys have a range in mind and aren't likely giving him a concrete, take it or leave it price. They are trying to get him as cheap as they can, and what other teams are willing to play can affect the direction of the negotiation.

 

[FaSho]

People saying a trade was bad doesn't make the player bad. And so what if Beasley had the best season of his career with Dak? Again, Beasley isn't a bad player...he just needs to stop talking about Dallas at this point.

If Dak makes players better them why did we need to trade for Cooper? In the past, Romo made careers for guys like Miles Austin, Laurent Robinson, Patrick Crayton, etc. Guys who put up good numbers here, then went elsewhere and did absolutely nothing. I haven't seen Dak do that yet.

True, but you're about to see that with Beasley.

 

[JoeKing]

Beasley having his best year with Dak is a huge indictment of Dak's game.

Cooper saved Dak, not the other way around. They had instant chemistry because Cooper - like Beasley, actually - wins against man coverage every time.

You talk like Cooper's season before coming to the Cowboys was going just fine. Hardly the truth, however. Dak saved Cooper every bit as much as Cooper saved Dak. As for Beasley... he was a quitter. Never forget that fact. The Cowboys mercifully gave him a 2nd chance and what did he do with it? He became a hired hand for someone else.

 

[JoeKing]

That's true, but the Cowboys have a range in mind and aren't likely giving him a concrete, take it or leave it price. They are trying to get him as cheap as they can, and what other teams are willing to play can affect the direction of the negotiation.

You are assuming way more than you should. You don't know what's being said in negotiations so why talk as if you do?

 

[JoeKing]

True, but you're about to see that with Beasley.

Exactly right. Beasley is mild sauce without Dak.

 

[Future]

Dak saved Cooper every bit as much as Cooper saved Dak. .

Not even close. Amari was a 2-time 1,000 yard receiver who had a handful of bad games. He didn't need saving lol.

 

[TheSkaven]

Cooper deserves it. Humble kid from the hood in Miami who lifted himself up by harnessing his athletic talent and being a good soldier. This is all on the Jones family for waiting so long. When they traded for Roy Williams, they gave him a new deal the next day. They should have done the same thing with Cooper. They made the same mistake with DLaw - his contract only got bigger by franchising him.

 

[OmerV]

You are assuming way more than you should. You don't know what's being said in negotiations so why talk as if you do?

No, I'm using common sense and the definition of "negotiation". There is no negotiation if one side gives a take it or leave it offer. Conversely, if one side agrees to the terms offered by the other, there is no negotiation. By definition, a negotiation is two sides disagreeing on a solution, and trying to work toward a solution.

 

[JoeKing]

Not even close. Amari was a 2-time 1,000 yard receiver who had a handful of bad games. He didn't need saving lol.

And Dak was...

• 2× Pro Bowl (2016, 2018)
• PFWA All-Rookie Team (2016)
• AP NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year (2016)
• Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Year (2016)
• 2× Conerly Trophy (2014, 2015)
• 2× First-team All-SEC (2014, 2015)

Dak had a far superior resume and didn't need saving.

 

[mattjames2010]

Not even close. Amari was a 2-time 1,000 yard receiver who had a handful of bad games. He didn't need saving lol.

Cooper led the league in drops twice and had more than a "handful of bad games"

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Coopers-Drop-Rate-Ranks-Among-NFLs-Worst-479158283.html

Wrote Scott Barrett of PFF: “Cooper led the league in drops (18) and drop rate (20.0 percent) in his rookie season (2015), but then seemed to get past the issue in 2016, dropping only four passes. In 2017, Cooper again led the league in drop rate (17.2 percent). Not only are these numbers bad, but they’re historically bad. Since 2007, there have only been three players to see at least 100 targets and post a drop rate of 17 percent or worse: Braylon Edwards (2007 and 2008), Greg Little (2011) and Cooper (2015 and 2017).”

Both of you are wrong here. Cooper trade really didn't change the offense as much as people think it did, we still had a terrible red zone offense, got shut out, only put up 13 against the Saints, and Cooper was inconsistent like he was in Oakland. Cooper having a 100+ game here and there is nothing new, the problem is the games inbetween where he's only getting 2-3 catches for below 40 yards.

What saved us in the regular season was our defense holding off offenses long enough until our offense made one or two big plays.

 

[JoeKing]

No, I'm using common sense and the definition of "negotiation". There is no negotiation if one side gives a take it or leave it offer. Conversely, if one side agrees to the terms offered by the other, there is no negotiation. By definition, a negotiation is two sides disagreeing on a solution, and trying to work toward a solution.

No, you are assuming. You are arrogant and a fool if you really think you are approaching this with "common sense". Let's negotiate to agree to disagree because your foolish argument will never dissuade me from mine.

 

[Future]

And Dak was...

• 2× Pro Bowl (2016, 2018)
• PFWA All-Rookie Team (2016)
• AP NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year (2016)
• Pepsi NFL Rookie of the Year (2016)
• 2× Conerly Trophy (2014, 2015)
• 2× First-team All-SEC (2014, 2015)

Dak had a far superior resume and didn't need saving.

None of that matters lol, because none of it is related to proficiency as a passer.

Dak was abysmal the first 7 games of the year and the last handful the year before. It wasn't all his fault, but he was terrible. He desperately needed another receiever who could win consistently against 1-1 coverage, because teams were loading the box and playing man across. Amari completely changed the complexion of how defenses had to defend Dallas and he's the perfect WR for Dak, because there is no need to anticipate throws. It's just a matter of time before he's open.

 

[StuckMojo]

Unfortunately we can't pay everyone like they are a top 3 player at their position

 

[JoeKing]

None of that matters lol, because none of it is related to proficiency as a passer.

Dak was abysmal the first 7 games of the year and the last handful the year before. It wasn't all his fault, but he was terrible. He desperately needed another receiever who could win consistently against 1-1 coverage, because teams were loading the box and playing man across. Amari completely changed the complexion of how defenses had to defend Dallas and he's the perfect WR for Dak, because there is no need to anticipate throws. It's just a matter of time before he's open.

LOL... you are a horrible debater. You just got your head handed to you and your response is a Jedi mind trick, "none of that matters" when nothing can be further than the truth. We weren't arguing if Dak was proficient as a passer. We were arguing if he needed saving when it is obvious with his resume, he did not. You really need to back off because you are way over your depth arguing with me. Dak Prescott is the clear cut leader of the Cowboys. As Jerry calls him the "Daddy", while Cooper is just one of Dak's many weapons.

 

[Future]

LOL... you are a horrible debater. You just got your head handed to you and your response is a Jedi mind trick, "none of that matters" when nothing can be further than the truth. We weren't arguing if Dak was proficient as a passer. We were arguing if he needed saving when it is obvious with his resume, he did not. You really need to back off because you are way over your depth arguing with me. Dak Prescott is the clear cut leader of the Cowboys. As Jerry calls him the "Daddy", while Cooper is just one of Dak's many weapons.

As a passer, he absolutely did, and that's what I was talking about. I don't care what he did in the SEC, it doesn't matter. Johnny Manziel was brilliant in the SEC too. Didn't Cooper win the Biletnikofff? lol

He needed Amari to be saved as a passer. He had a 62% completion rate, y/a of 6.88 and passer rate of 87.4 before Amari arrived. Those numbers would have ranked 29th, 27th, and 27th through the entire year. He also fumbled 6 times and had 4 INTs in those games.

I'm not debating whether or not he's a great leader. He is. But that doesn't change the ineptitude of the Cowboys' passing game weeks 1-7. Cooper is another weapon....that the offense couldn't function last year without.

 

[erod]

Cooper is simply going to wait for Julio Jones and Michael Thomas to sign, then break the bank.

He has no allegiances here.