Mike & Mike In The Morning Talking 2012 Hall of Fame Class

[Hostile]

You're high. Larry Allen is THE most dominant lineman of his era. He's been All-Pro at almost every position on the line. His beat downs on defensive lineman is legendary.

Sapp is a big mouth just above average DT that I'm sure if you searched for tape of the two matched up, Sapp back would be covered in grass stains.

He will never make it into the HOF.

If you bothered to read you'd find out that I agree with you about Larry Allen. Then you wouldn't have to say I am high.

I don't have the same faith in the Hall of Fame voters that you do. Therein lies the difference. I've seen years of anti-Cowboys bias to taint my opinion on this. If they don't shaft Larry Allen, I will be shcked.

 

[DallasEast]

You're high. Larry Allen is THE most dominant lineman of his era. He's been All-Pro at almost every position on the line. His beat downs on defensive lineman is legendary.

Sapp is a big mouth just above average DT that I'm sure if you searched for tape of the two matched up, Sapp back would be covered in grass stains.

He will never make it into the HOF.

Don't bet against Sapp's enshrinement. You'll eventually lose, in my opinion.

 

[InmanRoshi]

When it comes to just the football field LA is a no-brainer first ballot guy, but he was almost neurotically quiet and low key, so his name doesn't carry the sizzle that the other's do among the mainstream meda. Sapp, Favre, Strahan and to a lesser extent Seau were quote machines and media favorites, so I expect they'll have no problems getting in since it's voted on by the media.

 

[tyke1doe]

Larry Allen is THE most dominant lineman of his era. He's been All-Pro at almost every position on the line. His beat downs on defensive lineman is legendary.

Agreed. Larry Allen, at his prime, was the most feared offensive lineman playing.

I remember the article where anonymous players were saying they'd fake injuries to avoid playing against Allen.

Besides, if John Madden is still around, Larry Allen is a shoe-in. (Or is that shoo-in?)

 

[InmanRoshi]

If John Madden has any say, no other player will be allowed to share the stage with Brett Favre.

 

[Vintage]

If John Madden has any say, no other player will be allowed to share the stage with Brett Favre.

Or Larry Allen's buttsweat.

 

[Doomsday]

Definately Sapp, he was good but has not had the career of the other guys on the list.

 

[THUMPER]

Out of that group I would rank them:

1. Larry Allen - 14 seasons, 11 Pro-Bowls, 6 1st team All-Pro
2. Junior Seau - 18 seasons, 12 Pro-Bowls, 6 1st team All-Pro
3. Brett Favre - 17 seasons, 9 Pro-Bowls, 3 1st team All-Pro
4. Jonathon Ogden - 12 seasons, 11 Pro-Bowls, 4 1st team All-Pro
5. Michael Strahan - 15 seasons, 7 Pro-Bowls, 4 1st team All-Pro
6. Warren Sapp - 13 seasons, 7 Pro-Bowls, 4 1st team All-Pro

Edit: I posted this after reading the initial post and didn't see that the stats had already been posted.

 

[DallasEast]

Michael Irvin is the latest example of anti-Cowboys Hall of Fame bias. Certainly, he was eventually inducted, but look closely at what happened prior to his enshinement. In 2005, the maximum class would have been six. Irvin was a finalist. Dan Marino and Steve Young were the modern day players selected. Benny Friedman and Fritz Pollard were named by the Seniors Committee. Two slots were open.

Understandably, Irvin would have had a tough time being inducted with Troy Aikman in '06. Again, the maximum class would have numbered six. Reggie White and John Madden were unquestionable elections to the Hall. Madden was a Seniors Committee, along with the previously longtime exclusion of Rayfield Wright. That's three. Aikman makes four, even though the Selectors probably debated choosing him longer than necessary. Warren Moon makes five. His long productive career in the NFL and CFL would have been almost impossible to overcome.

That leaves Irvin with a chance of induction at the six spot going head-to-head with seven-time finalist Harry Carson. A two-time Dallas Cowboys finalist or a seven-time New York Giants finalist? Who would the Selectors, the majority of whom are based in the Northeast and upper Midwest, side with? Not Irvin, obviously.

His time eventually came in 2007, but Irvin should have been enshrined in 2005. Two open spots. What the heck???

 

[bbgun]

We're complaining four years ahead of time? That's gotta be some sort of record. Anybody know how many guards have made it in their first year of eligibility?

 

[tyke1doe]

Out of that group I would rank them:

1. Larry Allen - 14 seasons, 11 Pro-Bowls, 6 1st team All-Pro
2. Junior Seau - 18 seasons, 12 Pro-Bowls, 6 1st team All-Pro
3. Brett Favre - 17 seasons, 9 Pro-Bowls, 3 1st team All-Pro
4. Jonathon Ogden - 12 seasons, 11 Pro-Bowls, 4 1st team All-Pro
5. Michael Strahan - 15 seasons, 7 Pro-Bowls, 4 1st team All-Pro
6. Warren Sapp - 13 seasons, 7 Pro-Bowls, 4 1st team All-Pro

Edit: I posted this after reading the initial post and didn't see that the stats had already been posted.

Brett Favre third on that list?

Are you MADden?

 

[Hostile]

Out of that group I would rank them:

1. Larry Allen - 14 seasons, 11 Pro-Bowls, 6 1st team All-Pro
2. Junior Seau - 18 seasons, 12 Pro-Bowls, 6 1st team All-Pro
3. Brett Favre - 17 seasons, 9 Pro-Bowls, 3 1st team All-Pro
4. Jonathon Ogden - 12 seasons, 11 Pro-Bowls, 4 1st team All-Pro
5. Michael Strahan - 15 seasons, 7 Pro-Bowls, 4 1st team All-Pro
6. Warren Sapp - 13 seasons, 7 Pro-Bowls, 4 1st team All-Pro

Edit: I posted this after reading the initial post and didn't see that the stats had already been posted.

Larry Allen, Super Bowl XXX Champion.

Junior Seau, played in XLII & XXIX.

Brett Favre, Super Bowl XXXI Champion, played in XXXII.

Jonathan Ogden, Super Bowl XXXV Champion.

Michael Strahan, Super Bowl XLII Champion, played in XXXV.

Warren Sapp, Super Bowl XXXVII Champion.


Tighly knit bunch I tell you.

 

[DallasEast]

Brett Favre third on that list?

Are you MADden?

I see what you did there.

 

[ZeroClub]

Michael Irvin is the latest example of anti-Cowboys Hall of Fame bias. Certainly, he was eventually inducted, but look closely at what happened prior to his enshinement. In 2005, the maximum class would have been six. Irvin was a finalist. Dan Marino and Steve Young were the modern day players selected. Benny Friedman and Fritz Pollard were named by the Seniors Committee. Two slots were open.

Understandably, Irvin would have had a tough time being inducted with Troy Aikman in '06. Again, the maximum class would have numbered six. Reggie White and John Madden were unquestionable elections to the Hall. Madden was a Seniors Committee, along with the previously longtime exclusion of Rayfield Wright. That's three. Aikman makes four, even though the Selectors probably debated choosing him longer than necessary. Warren Moon makes five. His long productive career in the NFL and CFL would have been almost impossible to overcome.

That leaves Irvin with a chance of induction at the six spot going head-to-head with seven-time finalist Harry Carson. A two-time Dallas Cowboys finalist or a seven-time New York Giants finalist? Who would the Selectors, the majority of whom are based in the Northeast and upper Midwest, side with? Not Irvin, obviously.

His time eventually came in 2007, but Irvin should have been enshrined in 2005. Two open spots. What the heck???

I think Irvin's off the field issues were the main cause of his brief extra waiting period, but I think you make a great point that players in their first year of eligibility are also competing for HOF slots with guys who have been waiting longer. ... and it is almost certain that in 2010, there will be several obvious choices who have been waiting longer (such as was the case with Irvin in 2007).

Of the 6 guys listed in Hostile's original post, I don't think more than 3 will make it in their first year of eligibility. Farve is one of them, with 1 or 2 of the following: Allen, Ogden, Seau.

 

[Hostile]

I think Irvin's off the field issues were the main cause of his brief extra waiting period, but I think you make a great point that players in their first year of eligibility are also competing for HOF slots with guys who have been waiting longer. ... and it is almost certain that in 2010, there will be several obvious choices who have been waiting longer (such as was the case with Irvin in 2007).

Of the 6 guys listed in Hostile's original post, I don't think more than 3 will make it in their first year of eligibility. Farve is one of them, with 1 or 2 of the following: Allen, Ogden, Seau.

I bet 5 of the 6 are 1st ballot. Not a doubt in my mind in fact.

 

[ZeroClub]

I bet 5 of the 6 are 1st ballot. Not a doubt in my mind in fact.

Well, you could be right.

Since I'm saying no more than 3 and you are saying no fewer than 5, it'll probably end up being 4.

 

[Hostile]

Well, you could be right.

Since I'm saying no more than 3 and you are saying no fewer than 5, it'll probably end up being 4.

The only way it isn't 5 of those 6 is if someone from the previous year who should have been a no brainer slides.

I don't see it.

 

[THUMPER]

Brett Favre third on that list?

Are you MADden?

Favre was rarely the best QB in the league or even in the NFC as shown by his 9 Pro-Bowls and only 3 1st team All-Pro selections.

Allen and Seau, on the other hand were ranked as the best in the NFL at their position 6 times each.

 

[DallasEast]

I think Irvin's off the field issues were the main cause of his brief extra waiting period, but I think you make a great point that players in their first year of eligibility are also competing for HOF slots with guys who have been waiting longer. ... and it is almost certain that in 2010, there will be several obvious choices who have been waiting longer (such as was the case with Irvin in 2007).

More than likely, I would've agreed IF the 2005 class had numbered six, but it was only four. While his off the field troubles should have weighed heavily with the selectors in evaluating his worthiness versus the selection of two other players, it didn't. Instead, he got dissed by two available slots.

 

[Chief]

Favre was rarely the best QB in the league or even in the NFC as shown by his 9 Pro-Bowls and only 3 1st team All-Pro selections.

Allen and Seau, on the other hand were ranked as the best in the NFL at their position 6 times each.

Good points Thumper, but this is Favre we're talking about.

Many of the top NFL reporters/analysts have been bowing at his feet for years. Favre has the same effect on those guys that Oprah has on middle-age housewives.

Madden probably has a poster of Favre above his bed in the Madden Cruiser.