Mike & Mike In The Morning Talking 2012 Hall of Fame Class

[DallasFanSince86]

Sapp or Seau will end up being the odd man out.

 

[adamknite]

Favre was rarely the best QB in the league or even in the NFC as shown by his 9 Pro-Bowls and only 3 1st team All-Pro selections.

Allen and Seau, on the other hand were ranked as the best in the NFL at their position 6 times each.

Favre also has 3 MVP awards. Which is 3 more than the others combined.

 

[THUMPER]

Good points Thumper, but this is Favre we're talking about.

Many of the top NFL reporters/analysts have been bowing at his feet for years. Favre has the same effect on those guys that Oprah has on middle-age housewives.

Madden probably has a poster of Favre above his bed in the Madden Cruiser.

I just said how I would rank them. The NFL Hall Of Fame Selection Committee will undoubtedly have an entirely different ranking of these players and Favre will be at the top of that list.

This is Hall of FAME we are talking about here, not the Hall of GREATNESS. The selection committee is made up of sportswriters/mediots and they will select who they like the best not who greatest players were.

The talking heads in the media have had a hard-on for Favre for years. It wouldn't surprise me if they made an exception for him and enshrined him early and gave him his own wing. Not likely but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[THUMPER]

Favre also has 3 MVP awards. Which is 3 more than the others combined.

Yeah, but he only has 1 SB ring just like all the others except Seau.

Regardless, he'll be a first ballot guy.

 

[jobberone]

Larry Allen, Super Bowl XXX Champion.

Junior Seau, played in XLII.

Brett Favre, Super Bowl XXXI Champion, played in XXXII.

Jonathan Ogden, Super Bowl XXXV Champion.

Michael Strahan, Super Bowl XLII Champion, played in XXXV.

Warren Sapp, Super Bowl XXXVII Champion.


Tighly knit bunch I tell you.

Good info, Hos. But I don't think Allen can be ignored even in that company.

Favre also has 3 MVP awards. Which is 3 more than the others combined.

That and his popularity and his play will make him a first ballot. You make a very good point that had not been brought up. There may be a player on that list who makes this easy by not being eligible. All of those players including Sapp and Strahan could easily be first ballot. Sapp or Strahan might be left off due to the competition esp Sapp. Those are all deserving but I don't think Allen will be left off if he is eligible. He was just too dominant.

 

[Hostile]

Good info, Hos. But I don't think Allen can be ignored even in that company.

You kidding Doc?

Mel Renfro had 10 Pro Bowls and 10 All Pro selections in 14 years, to go along with 52 INTs and stats as a WR, RB, PR and KR to boot.

It only took the HOF 19 years to recognize he was worthy.

I'm telling you that star on the helmet causes blindness.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

I think strahan can get left out i don't like him.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I can see Sapp being left out the first time around. I dont think I'd leave him out though. I'd probably leave out Ogden or maybe Seau first time around instead of him but then I'm bias. I'm a fan of Sapp.

 

[BigWillie]

If Larry Allen isn't voted in by the writers on the first ballot, it should be considered a crime against football. It will prove even more that writers should have no freakin' right to have a vote.

You put all those names on a list and the only guy who can compare to the dominance that Allen had is Farve. People forget that Larry was not only dominate at one position, but at multiple positions on the line. You simply did not want to be lined up across from that guy because there was a good chance you were either going to be on your rear or have a ringing in your ears from how hard he is about to hit you.

Honestly, you could really argue Allen was one of the most dominant linemen in the history of this league. Being a linemen, I regularly watched Allen just to watch how he overmatched people every single week. If you loved to watch people just get blown up in the trenches, find some old tapes when Allen was in a Cowboys uni. Complete and utter dominance.

 

[dargonking999]

Allen will get voted in before Sapp does.

Sapp was a great player yes, but Allen was a better player longer, and had a somewhat better finish to his career (Sapp was bad for alot more years than Allen )

 

[CoCo]

Count me amongst those who think its 5 years early to start crying foul.

Even if it were to happen the case has already been made here that the then eligible individuals all have very impressive credentials.

Sure, I think Larry is amongst the most deserving of that list, over Sapp in particular. I just think you allow people the chance to do it right before you assume they'll do it wrong.

 

[bbgun]

Some red meat for the Peter King haters:

From Dave McMilan, of Keysville, Va.: "On the radio this morning, the hosts were talking about the possibility of Strahan, Brett Favre, Jonathan Ogden, Warren Sapp, Larry Allen and Junior Seau all being on the same Hall of Fame ballot in 2012. With the maximum number of non-veteran inductees reduced to five, which of these players doesn't make it on the first ballot?''

King: Depends on who the holdovers are from previous years. Other than the first year of the Hall of Fame -- when, obviously, all candidates were first-timers -- the maximum number of first-time eligible players who made it has been three. That has happened seven times; the last time was 2006, when Troy Aikman, Warren Moon and Reggie White went in on the first ballot. So I doubt five will make it in 2012.

If I had to guess right now, with the list you gave me (which presumes that Seau is a goner, and I'm not sure that's true), I would say, in order, I'd rank the six guys this way: Favre, Ogden, Seau, Strahan, Sapp, Allen. And I think all will get in eventually.

 

[bootsy]

Some red meat for the Peter King haters:

From Dave McMilan, of Keysville, Va.: "On the radio this morning, the hosts were talking about the possibility of Strahan, Brett Favre, Jonathan Ogden, Warren Sapp, Larry Allen and Junior Seau all being on the same Hall of Fame ballot in 2012. With the maximum number of non-veteran inductees reduced to five, which of these players doesn't make it on the first ballot?''

King: Depends on who the holdovers are from previous years. Other than the first year of the Hall of Fame -- when, obviously, all candidates were first-timers -- the maximum number of first-time eligible players who made it has been three. That has happened seven times; the last time was 2006, when Troy Aikman, Warren Moon and Reggie White went in on the first ballot. So I doubt five will make it in 2012.

If I had to guess right now, with the list you gave me (which presumes that Seau is a goner, and I'm not sure that's true), I would say, in order, I'd rank the six guys this way: Favre, Ogden, Seau, Strahan, Sapp, Allen. And I think all will get in eventually.

Peter King... You gotta be kidding me. Ogden ranked 2nd. No wonder people get frustrated at the HOF voters. This is reason number 1.

 

[ZeroClub]

King: Depends on who the holdovers are from previous years. Other than the first year of the Hall of Fame -- when, obviously, all candidates were first-timers -- the maximum number of first-time eligible players who made it has been three. That has happened seven times; the last time was 2006, when Troy Aikman, Warren Moon and Reggie White went in on the first ballot. So I doubt five will make it in 2012.

Yeah, this is basically the same point that I was trying to make earlier in this thread.

... it is distressing where King rated Allen, however.

 

[burmafrd]

Burger King is sometimes right, sometimes wrong. I have yet to find a pattern. He can be real bright about some players and absolutely blind deaf and dumb about others.

 

[TNCowboy]

Larry Allen was clearly a HOF lineman, but he didn't finish his career well. Early in this decade, Allen gained a bunch of weight and was not the all-world linemen he used to be. IMO, he went noticably downhill even before he got his big contract in '02. Factor in that he's a Cowboy, and the odds that he gets in on the first ballot are pretty small, especially if all these guys are eligible.

There's a legitimate reason to rank Allen ahead of some of the guys who are included. Allen was just a better football player than some of them. Sapp finished his career poorly. Strahan was inconsistent throughout his career (if not for his self-promotion, no way he'd get the same recognition). Seau hasn't been elite for several years, even before he got so long in the tooth.

But none of that changes that the Larry Allen of 2001 and after wasn't the all-timer that he was in say 1998. When he still should've been elite in his early 30's, he went into steep decline. If Allen doesn't make it, it'll be in large part his own doing. Or perhaps in LA's case, his own eating.

 

[coach316]

I don't see Sapp, Ogden or Seau getting in as first ballot entries. (Media bias not-withstanding)

 

[JPM]

You kidding Doc?

Mel Renfro had 10 Pro Bowls and 10 All Pro selections in 14 years, to go along with 52 INTs and stats as a WR, RB, PR and KR to boot.

It only took the HOF 19 years to recognize he was worthy.

I'm telling you that star on the helmet causes blindness.

Hos, there is no way Allen makes it on the first ballot. I think he absolutely deserves it, but he is going against some real media darlings.

 

[Hostile]

Hos, there is no way Allen makes it on the first ballot. I think he absolutely deserves it, but he is going against some real media darlings.

A quiet man who other than by Cowboys fans and opponents, went largely unnoticed.

He is a 1st ballot HOFer IMO, but I don't have a vote and of that class of 6, my money is on him getting screwed. He was not a media darling and he played an "un-sexy" position.

 

[InmanRoshi]

The HOF is voted on by sportswriters, not football people, and it shouldn't be surprising that a guy who has never gave sportswriters the time of day could get the shaft. Especially in a class with some of the greatest self promoters of this generation like Sapp and Strahan.