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TheRomoSexual

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Risen Star;5028353 said:
Apparently you don't if you dismiss the value of a 4th round pick.

You apparently don't understand the draft if you would refer to the last fourth round comp pick as a "4th round pick." I'd much rather have a mid-fifth than a fourth round comp.
 

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reddyuta;5028363 said:
New rule for cowboys:stop drafting injured players.

Thank you! That is Jerry doing what he does best.. "Trying to find a bargain"
 

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Ren;5028280 said:
Matt Johnson was a massive reach and is a long shot at best to ever play a meaningful down in the NFL, He's AOA part 2

You don't pass on someone like Vaccaro because you have Matt Johnson

Lol, massive. A bit dramatic are we? A reach yes, but a 4th rounder is not massive reach imo, since NFL teams typically tend to start gambling on smaller school prospects such as Johnson, and AOA in the later rounds. AOA was projected to go anywhere from the 2nd to the 5th rounds, back in 2010. Yes, AOA was a bust. It happens. And are you comparing Johnson to AOA? Two different players, since AOA was a cb in college, while Johnson is a true S.
 

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I wouldn't call MJ much of anything considering he has not made it to the field. Let's see what he can do if healthy and then label him a solid pick or a reach.
 

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Gaede;5028343 said:
What, because we drafted him high and his youtube highlights against division z looked OK?

The guy was injured in college and couldn't make it out of an NFL practice alive.

We all need to be honest and admit that he was a gigantic reach and anything he provides to this team will be a plus after his awful rookie season.

He has given us fans literally NO sign of even being able to play a down, so I don't remotely understand how he could 'at least' compete for a starting job

Gigantic, Massive. Geez folks, you don't need to over exaggerate to show your opinion. Watch the draft every year, and pay attention to when these smaller school prspects start getting drafted. They usually start coming off the board from rounds 4 and on thru the later rounds. Injuries not, performance, caused Johnson to have an awful rookie season. And given the Cowboys current depth at S, how can you not understand that Johnson is in the mix for a starting job?
 

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TheRomoSexual;5028381 said:
Yup, Lee and Carter were terrible picks.

They are good players but always injured ,i doubt we even resign Lee if he goes on IR again.:bang2:
 

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Ren;5028280 said:
Matt Johnson was a massive reach and is a long shot at best to ever play a meaningful down in the NFL, He's AOA part 2

You don't pass on someone like Vaccaro because you have Matt Johnson


Matt Johnson ... UDFA picked in the 4th round. I love it.
 

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TheRomoSexual;5028381 said:
Yup, Lee and Carter were terrible picks.

There's still the possibility that they were terrible picks. It's not likely, since they're both excellent players when they actually are playing.

But let's remember that they're early in their careers. We shouldn't rush to proclaim them future of the franchise when they've only started 31 games between the two of them
 

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Gaede;5028433 said:
There's still the possibility that they were terrible picks. It's not likely, since they're both excellent players when they actually are playing.

But let's remember that they're early in their careers. We shouldn't rush to proclaim them future of the franchise when they've only started 31 games between the two of them

Possibly "terrible" picks? I wouldn't say that, but disappointing for sure.
 

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TheRomoSexual;5028381 said:
Yup, Lee and Carter were terrible picks.

Two 2nd rounders who can't stay on the field.

As players, they're fantastic.

As players we can rely on ... not even close.
 

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TheSport78;5028438 said:
Possibly "terrible" picks? I wouldn't say that, but disappointing for sure.

That's true, that's a better way to say it
 

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Risen Star;5028295 said:
I may literally lose my mind if we do nothing noteworthy along the OL and spend another 1st round pick in the secondary.

What if Vacarro is the best on our board though?
 

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dez_for_prez;5028454 said:
What if Vacarro is the best on our board though?

Risen Star doesn't value the secondary that much. He's definitely more of a trenches guy evident by his dislike of the Carr signing and Claiborne pick last year. Not disagreeing with him as the trenches are important and should be the first pick this year, just pointing out that's how RS thinks.
 

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TheSport78;5028255 said:
This tells me Vaccaro is a smokescreen, or a contingency plan incase the best OL/DL are off the board.

Why does it have to be a smokescreen? Safety is a need, Vaccaro is considered a top safety, and projects to be drafted somewhere around where they pick. Isn't it natural that they would do their due diligence on him in case he is available? Wouldn't it be stupid if they didn't? It doesn't mean they will draft him but they should still work him out. Suppose they trade down 7 or 8 spots and he is still available? I think we would all be interested then!
 

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Cowboys22;5028463 said:
Why does it have to be a smokescreen? Safety is a need, Vaccaro is considered a top safety, and projects to be drafted somewhere around where they pick. Isn't it natural that they would do their due diligence on him in case he is available? Wouldn't it be stupid if they didn't? It doesn't mean they will draft him but they should still work him out. Suppose they trade down 7 or 8 spots and he is still available? I think we would all be interested then!

Nice post, I completely agree.
 

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weaver21;5028458 said:
Risen Star doesn't value the secondary that much. He's definitely more of a trenches guy evident by his dislike of the Carr signing and Claiborne pick last year. Not disagreeing with him as the trenches are important and should be the first pick this year, just pointing out that's how RS thinks.

He always says to stay true to your board. What if Vacarro is the best on the board? Skip over him?
 

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dez_for_prez;5028476 said:
He always says to stay true to your board. What if Vacarro is the best on the board? Skip over him?

I would pick him if he's the best on our board when we pick. I'm pretty sure Cooper/Warmack and possibly Richardson are ahead of him on Dallas', but if those 3 are gone I wouldn't be surprised to see the Cowboys draft Vaccaro. Safety is a need and although safety is a deep class this year, Vaccaro is the best safety in the class and to skip over him if he's the best player available, especially when safety is such a massive need in Kiffin's defense, would be foolish on the Cowboys part.
 
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