Mike Martz Talks Dak, Lamar,McCarty, Kellen, offense changes

[America's Cowboy]

Surely common sense has to come into play. Some people just lack it

A 7 year sample size of results should tell anybody with common sense that Dak is mediocrity personified

Sorry, bro, you're evaluation of Dak is off for the reasons Coach Mike Martz said. It's totally unfair to Dak for this front office's failure to surround him with a good Oline and good weapons, plus much better schemes, playcalling and situational adjustments. It's as everyone else (players and coaches) failed terribly at doing and improving their job, yet everything is forced upon and blamed on the QB. The QB was used as the scapegoat for others' failures.

 

[shabazz]

My bro @shabazz is not looking good right now.

I’m looking great. The guy that NOT looking good is the quarterback that was responsible for 1 TD and 12 points vs the Niners

If Dan the man Marino was our quarterback in that game in which our defense gave up only 300 total yards and 19 points against Niners, we win that game going away…..Marino only had a 1000 yard rusher helping him 1 time in his entire career.

anybody that wants to compare Marino to Prescott just doesn’t know the game of football.

 

[CowboyFrog]

I’m looking great. The guy that NOT looking good is the quarterback that was responsible for 1 TD and 12 points vs the Niners

If Dan the man Marino was our quarterback in that game in which our defense gave up only 300 total yards and 19 points against Niners, we win that game going away…..Marino only had a 1000 yard rusher helping him 1 time in his entire career.

anybody that wants to compare Marino to Prescott just doesn’t know the game of football.

Its not comparing Dak to Marino..its the "Has he won a SB" mystic, I dont think anyone actually thinks Dan was a bad QB obviously some of us watched him and some didnt...he may have been the most talented passer ever Probably only equaled by elway in speed strength delivery to be honest. Its just funny when you watch a Dak argument devolve into "How manty SB's has he won" because obviously its not all the QB...Its kinda like ending a Dak argument with "get to the NFCCG if you want my respect" then telling me how great Herbert is......

 

[America's Cowboy]

Could be but also there is the factor of what the OC is telling the WR coach to teach and who the players are....There is a reason KM's system worked against bad to good defenses but had trouble unlocking defenses that could take weapons away. Prince may be a side affect of KM's system, football plays "Execution" revolves around all 11 guys being on the same page on what the play is suppose to do, you throw 4 option routes into that and the % of mess ups will go way up no matter who the players are.

Possibly true, but as a position coach, I would have noticed right away if the O-Coordinator is calling for the wrong schemes, routes and plays against certain defenses. That's what a good WRs coach is supposed to notice and voice his opinion towards his O-Coordinator and head coach. You don't wait a whole season to voice your opinion. If you simply go along because you're being forced, well, what kind of a coach are you? A YES man who is only protecting his job? If that's the case, he should have been fired along with the rest. Give me a coach who takes the initiative to notice what's wrong and give input of what changes need to be made. If the O-Coordinator refuses to listen, take it to the head coach. If the head coach refuses to listen, take it to the GM. If you get fired for being boisterous while noticing what currently is not working but what changes could be made to improve the team, at least you went out trying to do your job with integrity. If you stay quiet just to keep your job, well, that's a part of the problem why this team doesn't improve.

 

[America's Cowboy]

I’m looking great. The guy that NOT looking good is the quarterback that was responsible for 1 TD and 12 points vs the Niners

If Dan the man Marino was our quarterback in that game in which our defense gave up only 300 total yards and 19 points against Niners, we win that game going away…..Marino only had a 1000 yard rusher helping him 1 time in his entire career.

anybody that wants to compare Marino to Prescott just doesn’t know the game of football.

Sorry. Coach Mike Martz and even QB Kurt Warner totally disagree with you. Warner said very much the same as Martz said.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Possibly true, but as a position coach, I would have noticed right away if the O-Coordinator is calling for the wrong schemes, routes and plays against certain defenses. That's what a good WRs coach is supposed to notice and voice his opinion towards his O-Coordinator and head coach. You don't wait a whole season to voice your opinion. If you simply go along because you're being forced, well, what kind of a coach are you? A YES man who is only protecting his job? If that's the case, he should have been fired along with the rest. Give me a coach who takes the initiative to notice what's wrong and give input of what changes need to be made. If the O-Coordinator refuses to listen, take it to the head coach. If the head coach refuses to listen, take it to the GM. If you get fired for being boisterous while noticing what currently is not working but what changes could be made to improve the team, at least you went out trying to do your job with integrity. If you stay quiet just to keep your job, well, that's a part of the problem why this team doesn't improve.

He may not have stayed quit there is a reason KM is gone, chain of command but for sure we dont know what happened.

 

[GINeric]

Surely common sense has to come into play. Some people just lack it

A 7 year sample size of results should tell anybody with common sense that Dak is mediocrity personified

Dak only played 6 full years due to injury. Peyton Manning and Drew Brees didn't win Superbowls or more playoff games than Dak in their first 6 full seasons and they were both 1st round picks. Did you call them mediocre??? As a matter of fact, I believe Dak won his first playoff sooner than they won their first playoff game...... (If im wrong I stand to be corrected)


Matt Stafford didn't win his first playoff game until his 11th or 12th season in the NFL and people claimed he's better than Dak. Make that make sense..... I don't want to hear no BS excuses about him playing for Detroit.

The biggest Dak critics here say that a very good quarterback elevates the players around him, so that goes for every quarterback.

I'm in no way saying Dak will have a better career than P. Manning and Brees, but Dak had a better winning percentage than Brees and P. Manning in their first full 6 seasons.

So according to your logic P. Manning and Brees were "mediocrity personified" as well, correct???

 

[America's Cowboy]

He may not have stayed quit there is a reason KM is gone, chain of command but for sure we dont know what happened.

Agreed. Still, a few of us were noticing the bad routes, schemes and playcalling (plus, no adjustments) the past several seasons, but we were repeatedly attacked and called upon as making excuses for Dak. Well, Coach Mike Martz now came out and said as much. QB Kurt Warner was saying the same all season long after every game's evaluations. Dak rightfully got blamed by us for his dumb results, but a majority of this mess was because others simply weren't doing their jobs. Hope Coach Mike McCarthy and his new batch of coaches can fix what has been wrong. Talk about wasted seasons...

 

[America's Cowboy]

Dak only played 6 full years due to injury. Peyton Manning and Drew Brees didn't win Superbowls in their first 6 full seasons and they were both 1st round picks. Did you call them mediocre??? As a matter of fact, I believe Dak won his first playoff sooner than they won their first playoff game...... (If im wrong I stand to be corrected)


Matt Stafford didn't win his first playoff game until his 11th or 12th season in the NFL and people claimed he's better than Dak. Make that make sense..... I don't want to hear no BS excuses about him playing for Detroit.

The biggest Dak critics here say that a very good quarterback make elevates the players around him, so that goes for every quarterback.

I'm in no way saying Dak will have a better career than P. Manning and Brees, but Dak had a better winning percentage than Brees and P. Manning in their first full 6 seasons.

So according to your logic P. Manning and Brees were "mediocrity personified" as well, correct???

BAM!!! Nailed it.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Agreed. Still, a few of us were noticing the bad routes, schemes and playcalling (plus, no adjustments) the past several seasons, but we were repeatedly attacked and called upon as making excuses for Dak. Well, Coach Mike Martz now came out and said as much. QB Kurt Warner was saying the same all season long after every game's evaluations. Dak rightfully got blamed by us for his dumb results, but a majority of this mess was because others simply weren't doing their jobs. Hope Coach Mike McCarthy and his new batch of coaches can fix what has been wrong. Talk about wasted seasons...

If MM runs what he has in the past WR/QB missed routes should shrink by alot as its not option routes all over it is a focused attack on a player/spot on the field with a 3 read and go (like run or put it in the stands)...If you think about it there is a reason option routes have gone basically away in the NFL, reading coverage during a play is asking to be set up for a mishap with todays coverage schemes... its no longer Zone or man its mixed all over the field and disguised for that reason.

 

[offlimits]

Can anyone give us a synopsis, please? Always had a lot of respect for Martz as a football genius.

 

[America's Cowboy]

If MM runs what he has in the past WR/QB missed routes should shrink by alot as its not option routes all over it is a focused attack on a player/spot on the field with a 3 read and go (like run or put it in the stands)...If you think about it there is a reason option routes have gone basically away in the NFL, reading coverage during a play is asking to be set up for a mishap with todays coverage schemes... its no longer Zone or man its mixed all over the field and disguised for that reason.

BAM!!! You nailed it brother.

 

[CowboyRoy]

See that's just the problem. I've never looked at as "he walks on water". I view Dak as pretty good quarterback, definitely not elite.

And yes, Dak has played bad at times when we needed him to shine and he gets his fair share of the blame..... but just like Martz said, it not ALL on him.

I noticed you called me personally "low IQ". That's funny because I've never insulted you personally, but thank you and I really appreciate you for proving my point on the typical example of a "low IQ Dak hating coward". You definitely fit the description lil guy!!

So when exactly has he played bad at times when we needed him to? Any big game other than the #1 defense in the NFL Niners? And in those games where Dak played poorly against someone other than the #1 D in the NFL did he get ANY help from anyone else on the offense?

Cuz from where I am standing, Dak has played well in most playoff games he has played in. Great in 4 of them, good enough to win in one of them and bad in one.

Both sub par playoff games were against the #1 defense in the NFL at the time.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Surely common sense has to come into play. Some people just lack it

A 7 year sample size of results should tell anybody with common sense that Dak is mediocrity personified

Just ask Mike Martz who lacks common sense. Whos he going to say you or me?

 

[CowboyRoy]

hard to judge when you took cooper, ced, turner, jarwin off this team at the same moment the other changes were made and gallup wasn't 100% so Brown was a #2 instead of a 4, tolbert never developed, the OL didnt block well, didnt open holes against the better defenses and that made us one dimensional ie no run game against the 9ers twice and the rams all 3 playoff losses.. that means they could play max coverage, not much blitzing and use minimal DL..

there are a lot of other issues that led to a slight downturn in last years passing numbers...Moore was the scapegoat but also the common denominator. It wasn't any one issue was a bunch of small cuts and slow bleed out. yet we still won 12 games got to the 2nd round. not going to overly focus on the wr coach instead i see us starting with Cooper, Gallup and cooks vs what we had last year and a different OC, tweak the play schemes, and Play calling approach could help a lot.

but the fastest way to fix this is more physical OL and better run game in the playoffs. something the 90s teams and Aikman always had..its what's missing. Aikman never had to play without 22 being here focus and always bringing his A game along with Moose(fb) and that OL.. yet Daks asked to play one dimensional ball or be hated and trolled..

Now heres a guy that understand football.

 

[CowboyRoy]

My bro @shabazz is not looking good right now.

He has looked bad on the Dak argument for 7 years.

 

[America's Cowboy]

So when exactly has he played bad at times when we needed him to? Any big game other than the #1 defense in the NFL Niners? And in those games where Dak played poorly against someone other than the #1 D in the NFL did he get ANY help from anyone else on the offense?

Cuz from where I am standing, Dak has played well in most playoff games he has played in. Great in 4 of them, good enough to win in one of them and bad in one.

Both sub par playoff games were against the #1 defense in the NFL at the time.

BAM!!! Nail in the coffin, brother!

 

[shabazz]

Just ask Mike Martz who lacks common sense. Whos he going to say you or me?

Although we will never agree on the Messiah, I appreciate your civil responses without the use of insults.

well done.

 

[shabazz]

He has looked bad on the Dak argument for 7 years.

2-4 in the playoffs speaks volumes as well as shrinking in the biggest regular season games

the ironic part is that because of all the people that I work with are so down on Dak, I actually find myself defending him.

they all say that he is God awful……I say that he’s a bit above average.

most of the ones that view him as great are relegated to being in this forum…..and that’s ok

 

[shabazz]

BAM!!! Nail in the coffin, brother!

Dak leading the league in picks despite missing 5 games and just generating 1 TD against the Niners was the nail in the coffin