Mike Martz's take on Trey Lance

[CT Dal Fan]

Mike Martz gives favorable reviews for Dak Prescott, while giving poor reviews of Trey Lance.

I have a bad feeling about this thread's future...

There's a large group of fans on this forum that think changing the quarterback (Dak) is the magic formula that will make all this team's problems go away.

Guess they weren't paying attention between 1996-2015.

 

[Havic]

Once dak lost his mobility, he looks average

 

[Reid1boys]

I'm ready to listen to a better football person than Mike Martz a guy who wants to pass pass pass

I bet if he said Lance looked like he could be a pro bowler youd be all ears to Martz comments.

 

[beware_d-ware]

I've never been sold on Martz. 4 starters from the Greatest Show on Turf are in the Hall of Fame, and Torry Holt's on the borderline. If you gave me 4-5 HOFers starting on offense, I could call plays from the Madden Easy Mode playbook and at least make the conference championship.

 

[Reid1boys]

Once dak lost his mobility, he looks average

Avg?

There havent been too many people that were more critical of Dak in his first 6 or so year.... but lasy year he played fantastic overall.

The year before he had picks, and everone said how horrible he was... and thats fair. But what was it this year? 36tds to 9 picks for a 4:1 td to int ratio? Those are stellar numbers.

Yep, he played like crap in the bog games, I am well aware. That being said, we have no better option. Lance is terrible... and changing for the sake of change isnt good enough. If it were easy, the Bears wouldnt still have garbage at QB like they have for pretty much my entire life.

 

[OGSixshooter]

Devil's advocate says the 'every conceivable investment' discussion point is not totally one sided. Every available first round selection has the highest draft capital investment attached to them. They are almost invaluable in securing players towards (hopefully) upgrading team roster. San Francisco invested three such picks in Trey Lance before he ever took a snap in the NFL.

My point is not an endorsement of Dak Prescott. I could not care less whether he suits up this fall or somehow in 2025 for Dallas. It is just a point that Lance, while lacking the years as starter that Prescott has accumulated, is not 'investment poor' by comparison.

Investing 3 players has nothing to do with Trey Lance's development. It's a red herring.

I wasn't criticizing your point at all...just noting it's not a fair comparison by any measure. It's like the 17 year old big brother comparing himself to his 9 year old brother. One has had HS and extra investment that the other has not enjoyed yet...it's a baseless comparison on it's face and it calls into question the person making said comparison.

 

[DallasEast]

There's a large group of fans on this forum that think changing the quarterback (Dak) is the magic formula that will make all this team's problems go away.

Guess they weren't paying attention between 1996-2015.

I am not certain how 'large' can be accurately applied to 'a large group of fans on the forum' in terms of solving a problem. There are a small number of very vocal fans to be sure.

I think it would be fair saying some of that group are of the same opinion as those in-and-before 2016 with Tony Romo. Some fans wanted Romo gone at all costs no matter what would later happen to the team afterwards, good or bad.

I believe the same sentiment can be accurately applied to some fans now concerning Dak Prescott's future. Perhaps some feel the team will hit rock bottom for x-number of seasons before bouncing back under another quarterback. They are willing for Jerry Jones to take that risk.

For me, that is where the 'Get Rid of Dak' concern starts. Like you inferred, Aikman's career was on its downside, then he retired, and the Mad Genius really ramped up his quarterback acquisition decision-making. Quincy Carter. Anthony Wright. Clint Stoener (sp?). Ryan Leaf. Vinny Testerverde. Chad Hutchinson. Drew Bledsoe and Henson. Thank goodness for Sean Payton quarterback evaluation skills.

Payton is not here. I have more trust in the guys beneath Jones--even Will 'Taco Charlton' McClay--than him. He remains the final decision-maker though, with the veto power that comes with it. Who knows if his staff does a proper evaluation of a college or veteran quarterback and he nixes the process with his gut feeling--which for him is almost always gas.

Long story short, there is a magic formula in a post-Prescott era. Everyone should understand Dallas' magic formula can easily be E=mc squared with Jones' gut.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

I am not certain how 'large' can be accurately applied to 'a large group of fans on the forum' in terms of solving a problem. There are a small number of very vocal fans to be sure.

I think it would be fair saying some of that group are of the same opinion as those in-and-before 2016 with Tony Romo. Some fans wanted Romo gone at all costs no matter what would later happen to the team afterwards, good or bad.

I believe the same sentiment can be accurately applied to some fans now concerning Dak Prescott's future. Perhaps some feel the team will hit rock bottom for x-number of seasons before bouncing back under another quarterback. They are willing for Jerry Jones to take that risk.

For me, that is where the 'Get Rid of Dak' concern starts. Like you inferred, Aikman's career was on its downside, then he retired, and the Mad Genius really ramped up his quarterback acquisition decision-making. Quincy Carter. Anthony Wright. Clint Stoener (sp?). Ryan Leaf. Vinny Testerverde. Chad Hutchinson. Drew Bledsoe and Henson. Thank goodness for Sean Payton quarterback evaluation skills.

Payton is not here. I have more trust in the guys beneath Jones--even Will 'Taco Charlton' McClay--than him. He remains the final decision-maker though, with the veto power that comes with it. Who knows if his staff does a proper evaluation of a college or veteran quarterback and he nixes the process with his gut feeling--which for him is almost always gas.

Long story short, there is a magic formula in a post-Prescott era. Everyone should understand Dallas' magic formula can easily be E-mc squared with Jones' gut.

I agree with you 100 percent. My point is the entire Cowboys team comes up small in big moments. Yes, Dak has been a part of that problem. But he is not the only problem.

 

[JW82]

Thats one opinion. He also thought Marc Bulger was better than Warner.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I agree with you 100 percent. My point is the entire Cowboys team comes up small in big moments. Yes, Dak has been a part of that problem. But he is not the only problem.

When you arr the qb, big money man, and alleged leader, it comes with the territory.

 

[CWR]

Sounds like he's describing Dak. Seriously.

Dak does run like a fullback.

 

[CWR]

Thats one opinion. He also thought Marc Bulger was better than Warner.

True, it took an injury to Bulger that pre-season after they were trouncing teams, lighting up the scoreboard for Warner to get his shot.

I imagine Bulger would've done pretty well in that offense too though.

Or was that TRENT GREEN? phew, the old memory may have failed me.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

When you arr the qb, big money man, and alleged leader, it comes with the territory.

Yes it does. But when you want a big money deal and you're Micah Parsons, maybe show up against the Packers too.

Listen this is not making excuses for Dak at all, it's just pointing out the rest of this team needs to get their stuff together too.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

True, it took an injury to Bulger that pre-season after they were trouncing teams, lighting up the scoreboard for Warner to get his shot.

I imagine Bulger would've done pretty well in that offense too though.

Or was that TRENT GREEN? phew, the old memory may have failed me.

Trent Green got hurt in the preseason, opening the door for Warner. Bulger was post-Warner I believe.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

"I want [49ers coaches'] eyeballs here," Martz said regarding Lance. "I've never seen anything about this kid that was encouraging at all. He really has to plant himself to make a good throw, he's not a quick decision guy."

Lance has been praised for his mobility, which was a large reason he was selected third overall in 2021 – but Martz said he "looked like a fullback stumbling around trying to run the ball."

"I've never liked him. I still don't like him," he said. "I'd like to know what he does so well. He's not a great passer, he doesn't have good skills, takes a long time to set himself to throw the football, misses easy throws."

what does martz know about football

 

[CWR]

Trent Green got hurt in the preseason, opening the door for Warner. Bulger was post-Warner I believe.

Yeah that sounds right and Warner had stints in NY and AZ afterwards. The greatest show on turf was pretty hyped though.

 

[JW82]

True, it took an injury to Bulger that pre-season after they were trouncing teams, lighting up the scoreboard for Warner to get his shot.

I imagine Bulger would've done pretty well in that offense too though.

Or was that TRENT GREEN? phew, the old memory may have failed me.

Lol- I fee your pain. Yes green got hurt which gave Warner his shot. bulger replaced Warner later on.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Yes it does. But when you want a big money deal and you're Micah Parsons, maybe show up against the Packers too.

Listen this is not making excuses for Dak at all, it's just pointing out the rest of this team needs to get their stuff together too.

I dont disagree with that.
Its really a shame dak had those couple interceptions. While very few others played any better.....just cant have your qb do that, in that way. Even if we still lose i dont think dak takes that kind of heat.

 

[CT Dal Fan]

While I trust Martz's input, let's not forget Lance has not played a whole lot of football. At any level.

He could still be what the 49ers thought he might be. The odds are against it, but look at Tony Romo. He was seen as too small, too slow, and too raw to be a legit NFL starter.

 

[Motorola]

HE IS ON A ROOKIE CONTRACT DOH

Which will end at the conclusion of the upcoming 2024-25 season.
Why?
Because the Cowboys will not exercise the 5th-year option on that rookie contract = guaranteeing they pay Lance $22.5 million to keep him on the roster in 2025.