Mike McCarthy's asinine contract demands completely vindicate the Cowboys

[kskboys]

Perhaps Jerry learns slow, but at least learns. Head coaches are expensive. Carolina fired Frank Reich in December 2022. He’s paid $25,000 PER DAY through 2026. If Jerry wasn’t interested in Mike McCarthy why offer him a contract for any length? Apparently MM is in a position with his personal finances to tell Jerry “five years or I’ll take my chances”. Jerry then merely elevated a coach already on staff that no other team had even asked to talk to. At least a few other teams talked to McCarthy.

Well, it's been 30 years now, has he learned about the DT and S position yet?

 

[kskboys]

MM, did exactly what he wanted and find a graceful way out of here......Jerry doesn't like to deal with coaches dead money and didn't think he would keep here that long, knowing that fans would grow impatient. Jerry thought he can squeeze three years out of it, and then shoot for manning and a new coach.

Yup. I think Jerry wanted MM here purely to be the scapegoat. This team is falling apart, and Jerry certainly will not blame himself.

 

[exciter]

lol there was nothing asinine about a SB winning coach wanting security. There’s nothing weird about that. If the FO wants to use the injury excuse MM gets to use it as well.

Yeah,
There is when it’s not anywhere close to being realistic!
Everyone wants job security… doesn’t mean they should get it if they aren’t performing!

 

[RonWashington]

Sure, but that's not relevant to my point. MM asking for 5 was more than fair.

I do agree that he prolly wanted out. Can you imagine how incredibly frustrating it would be to work under Jerry? You never get the players you want, you're not allowed to instill discipline, and you don't get the coaches you want.

Guys like Nolan first year disaster were MM hires as well as others he brought over from GB . I think other than a few most were MM guys. I was never thrilled with him coming to Dallas .

I’m willing to give Schott a fair evaluation time . He seems to be clearing the building hiring a new staff which is good.

 

[KingCorcoran]

Well, it's been 30 years now, has he learned about the DT and S position yet?

Point taken.

 

[gimmesix]

Or it costs Jerry that much for a HC to put up w/ Jerry. This franchise is currently on the downturn, for MM to sign a 3 year deal would've been foolish.

Maybe, but I can't blame Dallas for only wanting to commit three years to a coach who has had five years and hasn't gotten the team to a championship game. We know the front office's fault in that, but from a GM standpoint, it would not have made sense. I have no problem with, you haven't got it done in five years, but we believe you can, so we'll give you another three to prove it.

Of course, I would have moved on from McCarthy this year anyway. The research I've done on Super Bowl-winning coaches shows that if they haven't done it in the first five years, they are not likely to accomplish it. The exceptions to that are coaches like Cowher, but he took his team to an AFC Championship Game and Super Bowl within the first five years, and Kyle Shanahan, but he lost in the Super Bowl his third year, Andy Reid, who lost in Super Bowl his sixth year with Philly but had made the NFC Championship Game the previous three years and didn't get KC to a Super Bowl or AFC Championship Game until his sixth year, and long-ago coaches who coached before there was a salary cap.

I mean, that's it among Super Bowl-winning coaches. The rest:

McVay (fifth year, but lost Super Bowl in second)
Arians (second year with Tampa)
Belichick (second year with New England)
Pederson (second year with Philly)
Kubiak (first year with Denver)
Carroll (fourth year with Seattle)
Harbaugh (fifth year with Baltimore)
Coughlin (fourth year with Giants)
McCarthy (fifth year with Green Bay)
Payton (fourth year with New Orleans)
Tomlin (second year with Pittsburgh)
Dungy (fifth year with Indy)
Gruden (first year with Tampa Bay)
Billick (second year with Baltimore)
Vermeil (third year with St. Louis)
Shanahn (third year with Denver)
Switzer (second year with Dallas)
Seifert (third year with San Francisco)
Johnson (fourth year with Dallas)

Now, the funny thing is that some of those coaches had failed at other stops, which emphasizes that it takes more than coaching. Also, I think it's fair to say that if coaches don't at least have championship game appearances in their first five years, they don't generally get a chance to do it for very many more years.

 

[BigD_95]

What’s asinine about wanting security? That’s a ridiculous statement.

But hey Jerruh loves you!

he just had 5 years - that would be 8 total years - you think he deserves more than that? But hey MM loves you & has a plenty of time to now hang out

 

[Valkyr]

The only thing I gleaned from this thread was recalling that Garrett got ten years.

 

[kskboys]

Maybe, but I can't blame Dallas for only wanting to commit three years to a coach who has had five years and hasn't gotten the team to a championship game. We know the front office's fault in that, but from a GM standpoint, it would not have made sense. I have no problem with, you haven't got it done in five years, but we believe you can, so we'll give you another three to prove it.

Of course, I would have moved on from McCarthy this year anyway. The research I've done on Super Bowl-winning coaches shows that if they haven't done it in the first five years, they are not likely to accomplish it. The exceptions to that are coaches like Cowher, but he took his team to an AFC Championship Game and Super Bowl within the first five years, and Kyle Shanahan, but he lost in the Super Bowl his third year, Andy Reid, who lost in Super Bowl his sixth year with Philly but had made the NFC Championship Game the previous three years and didn't get KC to a Super Bowl or AFC Championship Game until his sixth year, and long-ago coaches who coached before there was a salary cap.

I mean, that's it among Super Bowl-winning coaches. The rest:

McVay (fifth year, but lost Super Bowl in second)
Arians (second year with Tampa)
Belichick (second year with New England)
Pederson (second year with Philly)
Kubiak (first year with Denver)
Carroll (fourth year with Seattle)
Harbaugh (fifth year with Baltimore)
Coughlin (fourth year with Giants)
McCarthy (fifth year with Green Bay)
Payton (fourth year with New Orleans)
Tomlin (second year with Pittsburgh)
Dungy (fifth year with Indy)
Gruden (first year with Tampa Bay)
Billick (second year with Baltimore)
Vermeil (third year with St. Louis)
Shanahn (third year with Denver)
Switzer (second year with Dallas)
Seifert (third year with San Francisco)
Johnson (fourth year with Dallas)

Now, the funny thing is that some of those coaches had failed at other stops, which emphasizes that it takes more than coaching. Also, I think it's fair to say that if coaches don't at least have championship game appearances in their first five years, they don't generally get a chance to do it for very many more years.

I'm one of the few people I know who is absolutely MEH on MM. He's just so average. I just didn't care whether they retained him or not. And frankly, I think he wanted out of this clusterfudge of an org. Man, you have to get tired of holding your tongue and taking blame.

Since MM's record here is reminiscent of all HC's here, I have to conclude that his failure here is much more about Jerry than him.

 

[acr731]

McCarthy is gone. Now have young staff. We cut Zeke. We will upgrade our running backs and our new staff is committed to running the ball which will open up the play action pass.

McCarthy claimed he was going to focus on a run game after Kellen Moore left, and then he didn't. What makes you so certain the new guy will do it?

 

[Reid1boys]

What’s asinine about wanting security? That’s a ridiculous statement.

But hey Jerruh loves you!

There is nothing wrong for asking. But you are NUTS if you think Mike deserved or warranted another 5 year commitment from Dallas.

 

[rambo2]

McCarthy claimed he was going to focus on a run game after Kellen Moore left, and then he didn't. What makes you so certain the new guy will do it?

It isn't rocket science. It's pretty obvious what they plan to do. That's why the hired Adams and they plan to draft a top back.

 

[LOBO7]

McCarthy's job is based on merit. If MM wanted security, he should have got a government job.

He should have won more playoff games.

 

[KMY_Amber]

Cool story. Have fun blaming a never ending line of coaches decade after decade.

Oh, I do. Plenty of blame to go around these past 30 years...ownership/GM, players, coaches, fans, stadium food vendors, stadium parking lot attendees, and more...

 

[stinkface]

Unless McCarthy opens his own mouth and tells his side, I don't believe anything anyone says. Everyone lies, just the way it is. It's the current world we live in.

 

[TNCowboy]

"asinine". The only ones who look asinine are Jerry & Stephen. McCarthy was one of the lowest paid coaches at a time when brand new HC's are getting over $10M. The Cowboys are cheap and stupid. The only reason they didn't fire MM last year was because they didn't want to pay his 2024 salary plus a new salary for Dan Quinn. Had nothing to do with performance or winning or losing. Only about $$, because that's the Jones' scorecard, not the NFC East standings.

 

[CowboyStar88]

There is nothing wrong for asking. But you are NUTS if you think Mike deserved or warranted another 5 year commitment from Dallas.

I guess I’m NUTS.

Did you make you feel better capitalizing “nuts”

 

[CowboyStar88]

he just had 5 years - that would be 8 total years - you think he deserves more than that? But hey MM loves you & has a plenty of time to now hang out

Hey MM has a Super Bowl. Great if he wants to go fishing I’m in. He seems like a decent dude.

Did you think you did something with this reply?

 

[CowboyStar88]

Yup. If Jerry and Stephen thought he was the guy to take us to the Super Bowl, he would have been extended before he went lame duck. They wouldn’t quibble over a couple of years. It seems like Jerry got forced into making him an offer based on the late season rally and McCarthy overplayed his hand.

Instead they got a guy who has never been anything but an assistant who has what 1 years as a decent PC?

What an upgrade they hired for peanuts. Keep that comfort up.

Dak got his best year under MM, MM got competitive snaps outta bums behind Dak. We’ve always been terrible when the backup QBs played, at least when Dak went down it wasn’t all lost there were still very much in it, and that’s because MM is a good coach.

But hey I’m glad to see everyone is on board now with the new HC it’s exactly what JJ wants. Keep the cash registers pumping.

 

[CyberB0b]

Instead they got a guy who has never been anything but an assistant who has what 1 years as a decent PC?

What an upgrade they hired for peanuts. Keep that comfort up.

Dak got his best year under MM, MM got competitive snaps outta bums behind Dak. We’ve always been terrible when the backup QBs played, at least when Dak went down it wasn’t all lost there were still very much in it, and that’s because MM is a good coach.

But hey I’m glad to see everyone is on board now with the new HC it’s exactly what JJ wants. Keep the cash registers pumping.

Obviously, Schottenheimer isn’t the guy, but it’s clear McCarthy wasn’t, either. The Jones family blundered.