Mike Zimmer's coverage philosophy just isn't working for the 2024 Cowboys

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Lol so atlanta had good defenses? I don't get people that like Quinn. Dude didn't even invent the Seattle system that was Gus Bradley.

Can't see how rewarding that defensive performance is a positive. They both should've been fired
1 performance? What about the year prior when he was the only dc to slow down that 49ers offense that was averaging 35 ppg with Purdy.

Not his fault this front office doesnt prioritize the middle of our defense
 

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1 performance? What about the year prior when he was the only dc to slow down that 49ers offense that was averaging 35 ppg with Purdy.

Not his fault this front office doesnt prioritize the middle of our defense
The year before that Jimmy g marched down the field on his defense too. He's an average coordinator. Shocked you in here capping for dude. He better hope daniels is good enough to make up for him being a mid coordinator
 

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Great article on the Cowboys defense under Zim. It's pretty clear from watching the games he isn't the answer we hoped. Reading this, it's worse than it seems. Considering the upcoming schedule, it could be rough watching our team.

Mike Zimmer's coverage philosophy just isn't working for the 2024 Cowboys
k.d. drummond
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It's always tough to make a one-to-one comparison between coaching staffs in the NFL. From year to year, so much changes about team personnel that it's sometimes tough to pinpoint what changed philosophically or what changed out of necessity.

Take the Dallas Cowboys for instance. Last year's starting cornerback tandem of Stephon Gilmore and Daron Bland have played zero snaps for the team in 2024. Can a change in the way the secondary schemes be tethered to a necessary change with Trevon Diggs return and a fifth-round rookie in Caelen Carson playing opposite him? Or is it more about Mike Zimmer implementing what has always been a much different philosophy when it comes to coverages than his predecessor Dan Quinn?

Much more: https://sports.yahoo.com/mike-zimmers-coverage-philosophy-just-210008669.html
Was our coverage an illusion???

Without a pass rush covering receivers is significantly more difficult.

Once again complimentary football 101.
 

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The year before that Jimmy g marched down the field on his defense too. He's an average coordinator. Shocked you in here capping for dude. He better hope daniels is good enough to make up for him being a mid coordinator
Didnt he take a team to a Super Bowl and embarrass Mike McCarthy in the process?
 

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Didnt he take a team to a Super Bowl and embarrass Mike McCarthy in the process?
That defense was self policed. You think that was Quinn masterminding that? next you gonna tell me marvin Lewis was responsible for 2000 ravens. Why have marvin or Quinn been able to even come close to replicating that success? You smarter than hyping up Dan Quinn. I think Zimmer is slightly better as a DC by the way. Zimmer never had a legion of boom. And Quinn did NOT create them
 

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Great article on the Cowboys defense under Zim. It's pretty clear from watching the games he isn't the answer we hoped. Reading this, it's worse than it seems. Considering the upcoming schedule, it could be rough watching our team.

Mike Zimmer's coverage philosophy just isn't working for the 2024 Cowboys
k.d. drummond
Wed, Oct 2, 2024

f84ba63962fbfebdbef67f76afb50d67


It's always tough to make a one-to-one comparison between coaching staffs in the NFL. From year to year, so much changes about team personnel that it's sometimes tough to pinpoint what changed philosophically or what changed out of necessity.

Take the Dallas Cowboys for instance. Last year's starting cornerback tandem of Stephon Gilmore and Daron Bland have played zero snaps for the team in 2024. Can a change in the way the secondary schemes be tethered to a necessary change with Trevon Diggs return and a fifth-round rookie in Caelen Carson playing opposite him? Or is it more about Mike Zimmer implementing what has always been a much different philosophy when it comes to coverages than his predecessor Dan Quinn?

Much more: https://sports.yahoo.com/mike-zimmers-coverage-philosophy-just-210008669.html
I kinda new things weren't going to work out. Dan Quinn was and is better than Zimmer. I always thought that.

What the Cowboys need is to stop with this coaching carousel madness. Stick with the coaches we have now and promote from within. Zimmer should not have been brought it to replace Quinn.
 

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I kinda new things weren't going to work out. Dan Quinn was and is better than Zimmer. I always thought that.

What the Cowboys need is to stop with this coaching carousel madness. Stick with the coaches we have now and promote from within. Zimmer should not have been brought it to replace Quinn.
You thought that because of Seattle? It'd not like dallas was a legit top 5 defense in his tenure so I'm not understanding this Quinn love. This my last comment in here. Sign a Shanahan guy after Mccarthy is gone so Quinn can be a non factor. Simple
 

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Amen. That game was a career killer IMO. I would have liked that X Jets coach as DC. I forget his name. But he took the Jets to two straight AFC championship games. The Jets. One of those years they beat Brady and the Patriots, and Peyton and the Colts to get there. With butt fumble as QB. That alone should make him HOF!
Rex Ryan
 

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He was getting the job done. We were breaking records for turnovers, getting sacks, and the defense would go crazy some games with lights out performances. It just had trouble stopping the run.
*Maybe* we'll show that Quinn just basically screwed up Mazi, and thereby the run defense. Mazi had his first good game, and it was a great one. A seeming miracle after last year.
 

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I would give Zimmer more time. 4 games is not enough to see, especially when your starting CB who led the league in INTs last year is out and a rookie is taking his place. Maybe Zimmer is playing certain coverages more to cover for Carson or the 3rd string CBs who played last week. I would also take note of the players he has. The Cowboys clearly lost something when they allowed Armstrong and Fowler to walk. The pass rush is decidedly worse this year.
There was also the GB game last year. The images of Packer's receivers running wide open downfield in that game are still burning in my brain. Where was Quinn's brilliance then?
Great question Creeper, where was Quinn's brilliance then? Hmmm??
 

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Quinn was PART of that fiasco.
He was. His defenses here also did a great job at creating turnovers and rushing the QB. The DC we have now doesnt do that at all. Micah before the injury was on pace for his worst season.
 

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That defense was self policed. You think that was Quinn masterminding that? next you gonna tell me marvin Lewis was responsible for 2000 ravens. Why have marvin or Quinn been able to even come close to replicating that success? You smarter than hyping up Dan Quinn. I think Zimmer is slightly better as a DC by the way. Zimmer never had a legion of boom. And Quinn did NOT create them
Lol
 

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Zimmer was chased outta Dallas 20 years ago and allowed to go to Minny for a reason. He has a scheme that simply requires everything to fall just right in order for it to work. Its not feasible in a passing league. This isn't 1995. In any scheme, it takes good players that are really fundamentally sound. We lack this is spades. We are best served to play man to man mostly. Man press. Thats where we flourish.
Zim won more playoff games at MIN than Big Mike in Dallas.
 

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Maybe Zim needs to wear his hat backwards, chill with the guys more and be their Bro not their coach!
 

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I think people forget how bad they performed in GB. It looked like sabotage.
I read a couple of nuggets of talks inside The Star that he wasn't coming back this season. Word is they had mutually agreed even if he didn't get an HC offer, Jerry was going to let him out the final year of his contract to pursue another DC job. Not sure many fans caught it but MM and FO never committed to him returning while he was interviewing for HC jobs. During a presser, MM only response was we will let Q interviews play out and see what happens when the process is over. He had a good relationship with the players but I think Jerry blamed him and MM for the GB collapse ( Q is gone and he refused to give MM an extension ) core players are still getting their bags.
 

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I read a couple of nuggets of talks inside The Star that he wasn't coming back this season. Word is they had mutually agreed even if he didn't get an HC offer, Jerry was going to let him out the final year of his contract to pursue another DC job. Not sure many fans caught it but MM and FO never committed to him returning while he was interviewing for HC jobs. During a presser, MM only response was we will let Q interviews play out and see what happens when the process is over. He had a good relationship with the players but I think Jerry blamed him and MM for the GB collapse ( Q is gone and he refused to give MM an extension ) core players are still getting their bags.
Damn I ever heard that…..wonder why though? Just the debacle in GB?
 

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You cannot expect instant results from having a new DC. It is never a smooth transition. I don't understand why more don't seem to realize this. If by late in the season, no improvement, then the criticism would be warranted.
And now that Parsons and Lawrence are out it can only get worse for Zimmer. Who remembers how bad this defense was before Parsons was drafted?
 

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Damn I ever heard that…..wonder why though? Just the debacle in GB?
Remember 2023 Q took his name off the interviewing cycle early and committed to the Cowboys. Although we lost 2022 playoff game to the 49ers, he was still a strong candidate for 2023 HC jobs but the GB collapse cost him a bit. The Commanders were the only team to make him an offer and he wasn't their 1st choice. Honestly, what I sense from the nuggets........after the GB lost, Jerry was pissed and Q was tired of all the BS from Jerry and Stephen, especially knowing they were going to extend MM. So they both were ready to move on........
 
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