Milton Williams spider chart

darthseinfeld said:
Still taking non power 5 guys has not been something they have been know for since McClay has been hired. Its been well known that they heavily skew towards Power 5 players
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You are right, he's been better, but yet the player they love comes from the same school as Robinson. How many Boise players do we have on the roster.
 
Cowboyny said:
I don't disagree with the names, but I'm hoping they are throwing out misinformation about Slater. Outside of Pitts, I like him the most, even over Sewell. Not buying Slater cannot play Tackle, when Sewell has the same arm length and is less athletic.
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Brother you talked me into Slater months ago. Best film of any of the prospects. He whipped Chase Young. I just think the Cowboys are about the long arms and Darrisaw fits that profile.
 
Cowboyny said:
You are right, he's been better, but yet the player they love comes from the same school as Robinson. How many Boise players do we have on the roster.
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Robinson played at Tulsa

They have draft two defensive players from BSU recently, but BSU seems to be the expeption for them as far as Power 5 goes
 
baltcowboy said:
Brother you talked me into Slater months ago. Best film of any of the prospects. He whipped Chase Young. I just think the Cowboys are about the long arms and Darrisaw fits that profile.
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If they need the long arms, why consider Sewell then as he has the same length as Slater?
 
Cowboyny said:
If they need the long arms, why consider Sewell then as he has the same length as Slater?
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Good question. It will be answered on draft day. I don’t think Sewell and Slater will be there at 10. Everybody is saying the Cowboys need these offensive linemen but so does Cincinnati, Miami, Detroit, Carolina and Denver.
 
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baltcowboy said:
Good question. It will be answered on draft day. I don’t think Sewell and Slater will be there at 10. Everybody is saying the Cowboys need these offensive linemen but so does Cincinnati, Miami, Detroit, Carolina and Denver.
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No, I agree. Let's don't forget Carolina signed former Cowboy Cameron Erving to start at Left Tackle, the same player who was beaten out by street fa Steele. Think Denver is the only team not in a market for a Tackle.
 
Cowboyny said:
Elite, athletic traits, don't always translate into good football players
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It also doesn't always translate into actual game play.

I don't see an elite athlete in his play, at least not yet. Please suggest games or highlights that suggest otherwise.
 
CalPolyTechnique said:
He’s an impressive athlete for sure.

Now watch his tape vs. Georgia Southern and you’ll see him get absolutely manhandled.
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In that game Georgia Southern did two things to neutralize Williams:

1. They doubled him almost constantly.

2. They ran to the opposite side of the formation and just had the guy on Williams cut his legs at the snap.

It is pretty clear that GS thought he was the guy to build their offensive game plan around stopping, and that the GS coaches were smart in how they thwarted Tech’s best defender.

I counted 4 plays where he was singled and not cut in that game, and he quickly beat his guy on each of those plays, once getting a big hit on the QB. The other’s they ran away from his side (something they did often).

A few things:

Williams playing a 5-tech DE spot is far from the best use of his talents. With them running a 34 defense, I suppose that is the best place for him (he’s definitely not a 34 OLB or NT)... but he is clearly more suited to a 43 DT position... particularly a 3-technique.

In a 43 scheme like Quinn will run in Dallas, a 3T that can win one-on-one battles is critical to the success of the defense. The 3T will get one-on-one battles with the guard and if that guy can win that battle then it makes the whole defense go. An article I read recently said that the 3T is the most important position in that defense. If you quickly beat the OG and get pressure inside, it makes everything work better for your D.

A player like Williams that has that kind of movement skills and athleticism getting a lot of single blocking would be a real handful for that guard. He has the physical ability to win a lot of those battles. And it isn’t just athleticism... he is also strong.

So, there is a really good reason why Williams didn’t do much in the Georgia Southern game. What he was being asked to do there was selfless, and what the opposing team was doing to him was implemented to neutralize him. Playing 5T DE is nothing like what will happen as a 3T in Quinn’s scheme.

He’s strong against the run, has ridiculous athleticism, plays hard, and by all accounts is smart and coachable. He absolutely is a very good prospect.

If Quinn thinks Williams would excel as a 3T for this defense, I’m down with them taking him at 44. That kind of athlete at that position usually comes off the board very early, so 44 would be more than understandable.

It sure would make me feel a lot better about the 3T position heading into the season. A rehabbing Trystan Hill and a second year Gallimore would look a lot better with Williams there to compete for snaps at that spot. It is such a critical position and having rare athleticism there is never a bad idea.

However, I saw a mock last night that had Williams going before the 44th pick so he might not even be available with Dallas’ second pick.

If he is and the Cowboys choose him then I can’t really blame them.
 
Cowboyny said:
Let them play their kids at the 3, used top 100 picks on them. Bring in a veteran to help bring them along. Yes, I rather target a 1 Tech. Team usually hates to draft a 2 down player, so a player like Marvin Wilson is attractive. Think him and Togaia are their targets, both have the potential to player either spot.
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Exactly. Too soon to give up on Hill and Gallimore.
 
Cowboyny said:
Elite, athletic traits, don't always translate into good football players. This is a huge problem with McClay and our front office, they love to target these high level athletes, but avoid the good football players.
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Strongly disagree. These players if he does draft them are usually taken later in the draft. Look at our first 2 picks last year. Im sure they didn't light these charts up and both were awesome picks.
 
Zekeats said:
Strongly disagree. These players if he does draft them are usually taken later in the draft. Look at our first 2 picks last year. Im sure they didn't light these charts up and both were awesome picks.
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They did use a recent draft pick on Lve and Hill.
 
Zekeats said:
LVE was one of the best draft picks we've made, injuries are what did him in. Hill was all Roddle.
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I was a big supporter of Lve at the time, but they knew about his injury past and still took him. He was a prospect who was more drafted on his athletic traits as most considered him an ascending prospect.
 
Cowboyny said:
I was a big supporter of Lve at the time, but they knew about his injury past and still took him. He was a prospect who was more drafted on his athletic traits as most considered him an ascending prospect.
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He was 20. Nobody has an injury past at 20.
 
KingintheNorth said:
It also doesn't always translate into actual game play.

I don't see an elite athlete in his play, at least not yet. Please suggest games or highlights that suggest otherwise.
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These upside picks scare me. You are banking on the staff developing the player, where their track record has been awful. Outside of Tank, they really haven't had any success.
 
My worry is that is 3 straight drafts we have spent of the 3T. I kind of liked what Gallimore did last year as a rookie but don’t think him or Hill would be effective as a nose tackle. I would rather look for a nose tackle in the 3rd or 4th round.
 
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