Misgivings about Deuce Vaughn

[BlindFaith]

Reminds me of Phillip Lindsay who was 5-8 190lbs coming out. Lindsay was faster but they had similar running styles and college production.

Lindsay @ Colorado 765 carries for 3,775 yards, averaged 4.9 a carry, 36 rushing TDs, 117 receptions for 1,084 yards, averages 9.3 a catch and caught 3 TD passes
Vaughn @ K-State 651 carries for 3,604 yards, averaged 5.5 a carry, 34 rushing TDs, 116 receptions for 1,280 yards, averaged 11.0 a catch and caught 9 TD passes.

Lindsay went on to rush for 1,037 yards, score 9 rushing TDs, caught 35 balls with 1 receiving TD, and made the Pro Bowl as a rookie. He followed with another 1000+ rushing season the following year before the wheels fell off and his slight frame and injuries caught up with him.

I could see Vaughn with similar statistics. He's a guy Dallas could either run until his tongue drags the ground and get a couple of good years out of him, or use him sparingly and maybe get 3-4 out of him. I don't think he's built for a long NFL career, but has the skill for A NFL career.

Again, 3 inches taller and 13 pounds heavier. Plus he was 4.3 guy while Vaughn is a 4.5 guy.

And Lindsey got time playing on a very bad Broncos team. We have aspirations for a superbowl this year. Not the time to be playing Papa Smurf.

In my opinion.

 

[BlindFaith]

huh THIS!
new screen name heoflittlefaith

How cute

 

[beware_d-ware]

There's never been a successful NFL running back with a size-speed combo as poor as Deuce's. That's really the long and short of it.

 

[BlindFaith]

I have watched him in college and he is more than what you see.

So he's what you see?
Not me?
Now thats funny...
Agree?

 

[BlindFaith]

Still more of this?

You mean opinions? Or should folks just post what the majority agree with?

I dont recall reading that in the forum rules. Can we check with a mod?

 

[BlindFaith]

There's never been a successful NFL running back with a size-speed combo as poor as Deuce's. That's really the long and short of it.

I see what you did there. Nicely played.

 

[CowboyFrog]

"I dont care about what he did in college" Ooh you dont? how exactly do you judge the rookies?
"College players are not NFL players" ooh they aren't then where are they all comming from?
"I like B Robinson, i dont care that Deuce did more damage rushing the ball against the same competition" this makes alot of sense.....
We get it some dont like his hieght and dont really understand what body mass means so they call him "Frail" literally you have to throw out any facts that are used to judge rookies comming into the NFL to think he doesnt have a chance...but hey whatever floats your boat.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

There have been a lot of players that were fantastic in college, yet failed in the NFL. How can you make an educated guess? Measurables. Traits. Strength. Speed.

We'll see...

 

[TequilaCowboy]

You guys acting like Deuce was another of Jerry's wasted 2nd round picks....c'mon now he was picked in the 6th...so very little risk and high reward. Let him prove it on the field, ain't costing much now anyway. Then you can complain all you want, or go back to your corner and sulk how wrong you were again.

 

[Big_D]

He'll get plenty of opportunities, we'll see how that goes? He's an explosive football player and there is enough talent in the Cowboys offense to get Vaughn a little space to operate and make plays.

 

[OmerV]

I watched a couple of games with Deuce Vaughn, and although he has some wiggle, and broke off some good runs in college, he also has an awful lot of plays where he gets stopped at the line of scrimmage. Due to his slight build, he gets swallowed up easily. I expect he will have an awful lot of carries in the NFL that go for zero yards - more than fans will be willing to tolerate.

He’s a great story, and I wish the kid well. But just based on their bodies of work to date, I have more trust that Ronald Jones will be a better back up to Pollard than Vaughn. Of course, I am MORE THAN WILLING to be wrong, but I don’t have a lot of hope that Vaughn will become a meaningful contributor in the Cowboys offense - at least not until he bulks up considerably. But even if he does, he still doesn’t have the break-away speed that you’d like to see in a backup gadget type RB.

Sorry to fans of Deuce, but that’s my honest opinion. I would have preferred picking Tucker out of Syracuse.

Something to consider is that he won't likely be an every down RB in the NFL, so he won't be the guy running between tackles on running downs. He will likely be more of a specialty player used in ways designed to give him the chance to maneuver in open spaces.

If he had been drafted higher I would be more inclined to worry, but in the 6th round it's okay to shoot for a role player.

 

[TwistedL0g1k]

You guys acting like Deuce was another of Jerry's wasted 2nd round picks....c'mon now he was picked in the 6th...so very little risk and high reward. Let him prove it on the field, ain't costing much now anyway. Then you can complain all you want, or go back to your corner and sulk how wrong you were again.

Fair point. Not much investment (late 6th), so not a lot to lose, and maybe some good upside.

The real issue is further up the RB depth chart, especially since MM says he wants to run the ball more. After Pollard (coming off injury), there's just not a lot of depth. Dallas needed to draft a quality RB higher in the draft. They failed to do that, and Deuce- as nice as he may be, will never fill that role.

 

[speedkilz88]

 

[dsturgeon]

that was a great throw and catch. Some of the play can't be seen because of the camera, but I don't think pollard breaks his stride

 

[Motorola]

Fair point. Not much investment (late 6th), so not a lot to lose, and maybe some good upside.

The real issue is further up the RB depth chart, especially since MM says he wants to run the ball more. After Pollard (coming off injury), there's just not a lot of depth. Dallas needed to draft a quality RB higher in the draft. They failed to do that, and Deuce- as nice as he may be, will never fill that role.

In house for th RB2 postition are Dowdle, Davis, and Jones II
Dowdle ...oft-injured, seldom-used in his first three seasons
Davis...seldom,-used in his rookie year
Jones II...good complimetary RB his four years in Tampa --especially the 2020 league title season; non-factor with Kansas City in their 2022 championship run

Cowboys RB status is murky after Pollard

 

[big dog cowboy]

I dont recall reading that in the forum rules. Can we check with a mod?

Sure go ahead. You won't like how that ends though.

 

[quickccc]

I watched a couple of games with Deuce Vaughn, and although he has some wiggle, and broke off some good runs in college, he also has an awful lot of plays where he gets stopped at the line of scrimmage. Due to his slight build, he gets swallowed up easily. I expect he will have an awful lot of carries in the NFL that go for zero yards - more than fans will be willing to tolerate.

He’s a great story, and I wish the kid well. But just based on their bodies of work to date, I have more trust that Ronald Jones will be a better back up to Pollard than Vaughn. Of course, I am MORE THAN WILLING to be wrong, but I don’t have a lot of hope that Vaughn will become a meaningful contributor in the Cowboys offense - at least not until he bulks up considerably. But even if he does, he still doesn’t have the break-away speed that you’d like to see in a backup gadget type RB.

Sorry to fans of Deuce, but that’s my honest opinion. I would have preferred picking Tucker out of Syracuse.

Some are gonna see "small " ..and they are gonna be determined to think " small " when they view the 5'5 Deuce Vaughn.
Maybe it's just a personal preference to have a normal size back. And just how many tackles for losses did Ronald Jones have doing his career ..?

Some may talk about him bulking up to last, but he's been among the most durable, resilient RBs in college football, even more tougher & gritty than these 230 pounders.

When you take all of the prolific college production,.... his big splash plays, ...home run TDs,... his ability in both run game ...and in the pass game -
and again his durability and stamina, and he was KSU carry load and focus lead player, i'm anxious to see what a competent coaching staff can best
scheme design Deuce into what he does best, ..

 

[Bullflop]

There's nothing but idle speculation with the notion that Deuce wouldn't be able to satisfy the Cowboys with his RB production in the days ahead. I'm seeing nothing in the way of proof that such speculation should be proven valid. There are far too many members here willing to except it. That kind of pessimism simply isn't justified by such an excellent historical record.

 

[Rockport]

I watched a couple of games with Deuce Vaughn, and although he has some wiggle, and broke off some good runs in college, he also has an awful lot of plays where he gets stopped at the line of scrimmage. Due to his slight build, he gets swallowed up easily. I expect he will have an awful lot of carries in the NFL that go for zero yards - more than fans will be willing to tolerate.

He’s a great story, and I wish the kid well. But just based on their bodies of work to date, I have more trust that Ronald Jones will be a better back up to Pollard than Vaughn. Of course, I am MORE THAN WILLING to be wrong, but I don’t have a lot of hope that Vaughn will become a meaningful contributor in the Cowboys offense - at least not until he bulks up considerably. But even if he does, he still doesn’t have the break-away speed that you’d like to see in a backup gadget type RB.

Sorry to fans of Deuce, but that’s my honest opinion. I would have preferred picking Tucker out of Syracuse.

It all depends on how the coaches use him. One things for sure, they won’t be running him between tackles.

 

[calicowboy54]

I watched a couple of games with Deuce Vaughn, and although he has some wiggle, and broke off some good runs in college, he also has an awful lot of plays where he gets stopped at the line of scrimmage. Due to his slight build, he gets swallowed up easily. I expect he will have an awful lot of carries in the NFL that go for zero yards - more than fans will be willing to tolerate.

He’s a great story, and I wish the kid well. But just based on their bodies of work to date, I have more trust that Ronald Jones will be a better back up to Pollard than Vaughn. Of course, I am MORE THAN WILLING to be wrong, but I don’t have a lot of hope that Vaughn will become a meaningful contributor in the Cowboys offense - at least not until he bulks up considerably. But even if he does, he still doesn’t have the break-away speed that you’d like to see in a backup gadget type RB.

Sorry to fans of Deuce, but that’s my honest opinion. I would have preferred picking Tucker out of Syracuse.

i said this in another thread. he’s so small so he’s going to need to gain about 20lbs on his upper body to take the hits. where someone goes low and tackles at the legs that’s his body/midsection. i also see a lot of concussion in his future.