Misgivings about Deuce Vaughn

[conner01]

Problem with Barkley's first few years is that he wasn't able to force defenses out of zone coverage. A big play here or there isn't going to systematically wear down a defense or force it to adjust.

I agree
Consistent grinding out 4 yards is better than being stopped 3 times and breaking off a 16 yard run, even though it’s net the same yards. Mentally and physically it is more effective but harder to do
We need to get back to being able to run the ball consistently. We all remember when we could go into the 4th qtr with a lead and run the ball, even when teams knew we was running, and eat up the clock

 

[CowboyFrog]

Well crap you just ruined my evening. I don't watch college ball, so I've only seen highlights. Still how did he rack up so much yardage?

He's become my pet cat offensive player of this draft. 6th round diamond in the rough.

Dont let this get you down Deuce Vaughn is legit:

767

4884

6.4

43

These are his Offensive touches, yards, Yards per touch and TD's over 3 years..obviously he wasnt stuffed alot....FYI 651 of those are rush attempts...

 

[BlindFaith]

Dont let this get you down Deuce Vaughn is legit:

767

4884

6.4

43

These are his Offensive touches, yards, Yards per touch and TD's over 3 years..obviously he wasnt stuffed alot....FYI 651 of those are rush attempts...

Why mix in receptions when talking about getting stuffed?

His yards per carry was 5.5.
Robinson was 6.3

 

[CowboyFrog]

Why mix in receptions when talking about getting stuffed?

His yards per carry was 5.5.
Robinson was 6.3

do you consider 5.5 getting stuffed alot? I'm ok with our RB also being a good reciever..again the arguments trying to pin Deuce into "Gadget" status are week if you go by facts... could he bust going from NCAA to NFL for sure.. is the risk any worse than any other top RB from NCAA no.

 

[eromeopolk]

I watched a couple of games with Deuce Vaughn, and although he has some wiggle, and broke off some good runs in college, he also has an awful lot of plays where he gets stopped at the line of scrimmage. Due to his slight build, he gets swallowed up easily. I expect he will have an awful lot of carries in the NFL that go for zero yards - more than fans will be willing to tolerate.

He’s a great story, and I wish the kid well. But just based on their bodies of work to date, I have more trust that Ronald Jones will be a better back up to Pollard than Vaughn. Of course, I am MORE THAN WILLING to be wrong, but I don’t have a lot of hope that Vaughn will become a meaningful contributor in the Cowboys offense - at least not until he bulks up considerably. But even if he does, he still doesn’t have the break-away speed that you’d like to see in a backup gadget type RB.

Sorry to fans of Deuce, but that’s my honest opinion. I would have preferred picking Tucker out of Syracuse.

5-5-175. Football is a big man's game. Small gadget players are for a brief time. He is not Darren Sproles as far as speed, quickness, strength and agility. Sproles was short. Deuce is small.

Darren Sproles
Pre-draft measurables

Height	Weight	Arm length	Hand span	40-yard dash	10-yard split	20-yard split	20-yard shuttle	Three-cone drill	Vertical jump	Broad jump	Bench press	Wonderlic
5 ft 6+1⁄8 in (1.68 m)	187 lb (85 kg)	28+1⁄4 in (0.72 m)	8+1⁄4 in (0.21 m)	4.46 s	1.52 s	2.58 s	3.96 s	6.96 s	33 in (0.84 m)	8 ft 9 in (2.67 m)	23 reps	21

Deuce Vaughn
Pre-draft measurables

Height	Weight	Arm length	Hand span	40-yard dash	10-yard split	20-yard split	20-yard shuttle	Three-cone drill	Vertical jump	Broad jump	Bench press
5 ft 5 in (1.65 m)	179 lb (81 kg)	27+3⁄4 in (0.70 m)	9+1⁄2 in (0.24 m)	4.56 s	1.59 s	2.67 s	4.22 s	7.10 s	35.5 in (0.90 m)	9 ft 8 in (2.95 m)	17 reps

 

[Motorola]

Vaughan's selection and the subsequent opinions, discussions, and debates about him, harkens back to another RB choice 7 years ago.

 

[BlindFaith]

do you consider 5.5 getting stuffed alot? I'm ok with our RB also being a good reciever..again the arguments trying to pin Deuce into "Gadget" status are week if you go by facts... could he bust going from NCAA to NFL for sure.. is the risk any worse than any other top RB from NCAA no.

It depends, really.

I know everyone is in love with his hilight reel.

One reference site had him at 84 based on ypc. Robinson was at 34.

Yes, there were guys on that list that had very few carries. And Im not going to filter out all of that. But it gives you a sense of what Im talking about.

With all the big runs he had, if he wasnt getting frequently stopped on his other carries, his ypc should be higher. Right?

He leans very much towards an all or nothing type runner. Chunk plays, or stopped.

Those chunk plays just wont be nearly as easy to get for him in the NFL. Wont be as easy for Robinson either.

You earn a spot on an NFL roster by being consistent.

He'll have to prove he can do that to make this team.

 

[CowboyFrog]

It depends, really.

I know everyone is in love with his hilight reel.

One reference site had him at 84 based on ypc. Robinson was at 34.

Yes, there were guys on that list that had very few carries. And Im not going to filter out all of that. But it gives you a sense of what Im talking about.

With all the big runs he had, if he wasnt getting frequently stopped on his other carries, his ypc should be higher. Right?

He leans very much towards an all or nothing type runner. Chunk plays, or stopped.

Those chunk plays just wont be nearly as easy to get for him in the NFL. Wont be as easy for Robinson either.

You earn a spot on an NFL roster by being consistent.

He'll have to prove he can do that to make this team.

They will all have to prove it to make teams, thats every person drafted in every draft. Looking at his size and auto putting him in the "Gadget player with 2 to 5 touches" is clearly going against everything he did in college soley based on his size. The kid has carried the load for a power 5 team against big time defenses, I'm arguing the Cowboys didnt draft him thinking he was a "Turpin" type player...that means nothing if he is a bust just like any player drafted.

 

[erod]

I watched a couple of games with Deuce Vaughn, and although he has some wiggle, and broke off some good runs in college, he also has an awful lot of plays where he gets stopped at the line of scrimmage. Due to his slight build, he gets swallowed up easily. I expect he will have an awful lot of carries in the NFL that go for zero yards - more than fans will be willing to tolerate.

He’s a great story, and I wish the kid well. But just based on their bodies of work to date, I have more trust that Ronald Jones will be a better back up to Pollard than Vaughn. Of course, I am MORE THAN WILLING to be wrong, but I don’t have a lot of hope that Vaughn will become a meaningful contributor in the Cowboys offense - at least not until he bulks up considerably. But even if he does, he still doesn’t have the break-away speed that you’d like to see in a backup gadget type RB.

Sorry to fans of Deuce, but that’s my honest opinion. I would have preferred picking Tucker out of Syracuse.

Then you need to watch more games.

He destroyed TCU, Texas, OU, and numerous others.

 

[Risen Star]

It depends, really.

I know everyone is in love with his hilight reel.

One reference site had him at 84 based on ypc. Robinson was at 34.

Yes, there were guys on that list that had very few carries. And Im not going to filter out all of that. But it gives you a sense of what Im talking about.

With all the big runs he had, if he wasnt getting frequently stopped on his other carries, his ypc should be higher. Right?

He leans very much towards an all or nothing type runner. Chunk plays, or stopped.

Those chunk plays just wont be nearly as easy to get for him in the NFL. Wont be as easy for Robinson either.

You earn a spot on an NFL roster by being consistent.

He'll have to prove he can do that to make this team.

I can't wait until we can look down and see Deuce hoisting the Lombardi Trophy.

It will be totally in your face.

 

[BlindFaith]

They will all have to prove it to make teams, thats every person drafted in every draft. Looking at his size and auto putting him in the "Gadget player with 2 to 5 touches" is clearly going against everything he did in college soley based on his size. The kid has carried the load for a power 5 team against big time defenses, I'm arguing the Cowboys didnt draft him thinking he was a "Turpin" type player...that means nothing if he is a bust just like any player drafted.

I dont know his injury history, but I will give him credit for being tough.

 

[BlindFaith]

I can't wait until we can look down and see Deuce hoisting the Lombardi Trophy.

It will be totally in your face.

He could hide behind the Lombardi trophy.

Or even better, jump in it like Zeke did the SA kettle.

 

[blueblood70]

Why mix in receptions when talking about getting stuffed?

His yards per carry was 5.5.
Robinson was 6.3

fact you are trying to use both names in the same sentence says your misgivings are misplaced. why because overall impact from one position is graded with carries and receptions. ask Kamara and or Cmac types.. that coaches dream to get one player to fill 2 roles and get him in the 6th vs top 10.. thats a steal.

 

[BlindFaith]

fact you are trying to use both names in the same sentence says your misgivings are misplaced. why because overall impact from one position is graded with carries and receptions. ask Kamara and or Cmac types.. that coaches dream to get one player to fill 2 roles and get him in the 6th vs top 10.. thats a steal.

Ive been focused on him as a runner. If he cant prove to do that, then he will only be a gadget guy. Or possibly a returner.

He will be virtually unusable in obvious passing downs where max protect is required.

 

[Mikemcm]

Anybody that can rush for 138 yards against Bama is fine by me.

 

[GMO415]

If he gets stopped for no gain it will be because the blocking failed.

So we'll have a much cheaper EzE.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I watched a couple of games with Deuce Vaughn, and although he has some wiggle, and broke off some good runs in college, he also has an awful lot of plays where he gets stopped at the line of scrimmage. Due to his slight build, he gets swallowed up easily. I expect he will have an awful lot of carries in the NFL that go for zero yards - more than fans will be willing to tolerate.

He’s a great story, and I wish the kid well. But just based on their bodies of work to date, I have more trust that Ronald Jones will be a better back up to Pollard than Vaughn. Of course, I am MORE THAN WILLING to be wrong, but I don’t have a lot of hope that Vaughn will become a meaningful contributor in the Cowboys offense - at least not until he bulks up considerably. But even if he does, he still doesn’t have the break-away speed that you’d like to see in a backup gadget type RB.

Sorry to fans of Deuce, but that’s my honest opinion. I would have preferred picking Tucker out of Syracuse.

The draft overall is a crap shoot. 7th rounders are a shot in the dark. Besides, he's not going to be Pollard's backup, he'll be a spot player, most likely a slot receiver when he plays.

Having misgivings about a 7th round choice is a waste of time....

 

[blueblood70]

Ive been focused on him as a runner. If he cant prove to do that, then he will only be a gadget guy. Or possibly a returner.

He will be virtually unusable in obvious passing downs where max protect is required.

blindfaith =you have none.. lol might change your screen name as your personality traits based on posts say otherwise. IF IF IF IF OIF that ALL players drafted or brought to team playing for the first time are big Ifs and have to prove their worth 1st to 7th round and UDFAS and new FAS, Deuce isnt any different but being low rounder nothing to lose for team or player,...

you are Soley focused on this kid over his size and that just not way to evaluate him. his college production says otherwise, period end of story weve seen some of the best blue-chip big nfl players FAIL first round busts Heisman trophy winner shrivel up and dye because they were way overrated and over drafted.

this is 6th round pick there's absolutely nothing to lose as team or fanbase to just sit back and watch how it unfolds. zero risk at all. you all are acting like hes top 3 round pick we are counting on..if hes cut what did we lose? if he makes it ww have a special player because if you watch him and us his comp ie Sproles he has the tools to do the very same thing. thats the steal of the draft IF he makes it,

so why the need to worry or pronounce this a high risk fail alert player? its a 6th round pick and low 6th might as well be 7th at 212, it zero risk high reward pick..

no worries, if we cant put together a nice backfield there are RBs all over the nfl to go grab before game 1 to go with Pollard. relax and just the negativity and ZERO Faith is annoying to some of us because there no reason for it. you all acting like this pick wastes a roster spot , huh??

 

[blueblood70]

The draft overall is a crap shoot. 7th rounders are a shot in the dark. Besides, he's not going to be Pollard's backup, he'll be a spot player, most likely a slot receiver when he plays.

Having misgivings about a 7th round choice is a waste of time....

 

[blueblood70]

Anybody that can rush for 138 yards against Bama is fine by me.

you mean against the eagles draft picks..yup LOL he also did well against Texas and TCU, they won the biog12 yet most think it was TCU..nope TCU choked because well they had to deal with 22.