Misgivings about Deuce Vaughn

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Deuce is a powerhouse. You'd think at his size he'd fall over with a stiff wind but his short compact frame combined with elite contact balance makes him tougher to bring down than you would think.

I'm not suggesting he's Marshawn Lynch but he is not this frail scatback some think.
 

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I watched a couple of games with Deuce Vaughn, and although he has some wiggle, and broke off some good runs in college, he also has an awful lot of plays where he gets stopped at the line of scrimmage. Due to his slight build, he gets swallowed up easily. I expect he will have an awful lot of carries in the NFL that go for zero yards - more than fans will be willing to tolerate.

He’s a great story, and I wish the kid well. But just based on their bodies of work to date, I have more trust that Ronald Jones will be a better back up to Pollard than Vaughn. Of course, I am MORE THAN WILLING to be wrong, but I don’t have a lot of hope that Vaughn will become a meaningful contributor in the Cowboys offense - at least not until he bulks up considerably. But even if he does, he still doesn’t have the break-away speed that you’d like to see in a backup gadget type RB.

Sorry to fans of Deuce, but that’s my honest opinion. I would have preferred picking Tucker out of Syracuse.
First off, hes NOT A GADGET BACK, NOT A ST warrior, hes a real rb/HB..lets end that already. ts been disproven already..

you know who got stopped a lot for 0 yards or worse neg yards, Barkley and Barry. Hate to break it to you lots of backs gets stopped for zero yardage that why the lack of respect Zeke for getting 3 when nothing was there and then mock him and say hes just good for 3 and cloud of dust..

but nice comparing Vaughn to some big-name NFL backs who are properly sized and it happens.
how about Pollard down the stretch las season, kick that under the carpet??

3.8 YPC 51 YPG and no tds, no explosive plays the last 6 games.. huh odd hes nice sized NFL back who fell off late. he typically is the boom or bust guy as well. has a lot of under 3 then breaks the big ones to pad that YPC ..Pollard got hurt twice too boot in 5 week stretch. Not great for nice sized back.
 

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Well said. I'm not broad brushing everyone . That is unfair if I did that. But they know who they are. Just saying, its May, can we take a deep breath and just wait?
hold our breath??:lmao: hes 6th rounder correct? so if he busts is it a bust?? no , its just oh well a 6th rounder didn't make it. these zoners are acting as if we took this kid in the first round.,,. smh hes sixth rounder with bigtime college number and is gamer..
 

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First off, hes NOT A GADGET BACK, NOT A ST warrior, hes a real rb/HB..lets end that already. ts been disproven already..

you know who got stopped a lot for 0 yards or worse neg yards, Barkley and Barry. Hate to break it to you lots of backs gets stopped for zero yardage that why the lack of respect Zeke for getting 3 when nothing was there and then mock him and say hes just good for 3 and cloud of dust..

but nice comparing Vaughn to some big-name NFL backs who are properly sized and it happens.
how about Pollard down the stretch las season, kick that under the carpet??

3.8 YPC 51 YPG and no tds, no explosive plays the last 6 games.. huh odd hes nice sized NFL back who fell off late. he typically is the boom or bust guy as well. has a lot of under 3 then breaks the big ones to pad that YPC ..Pollard got hurt twice too boot in 5 week stretch. Not great for nice sized back.
the ones that do what u are saying are the same ones who suggest we need to resign Zeke. See the connection? Its a hard pill to swallow for those who love Zeke but we must turn the page. His time here is done. Folks need to embrace this new kid and he has the numbers to prove his value.
 

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I know. But I just think playing the odds is a better bet. The odds are against him becoming a good NFL RB. But like I said, I’m more than willing to be wrong. The “exceptions to the rule” make for great feel good stories.
hes 6th round pick, nothing to judge anything he brings is cake, if he doesn't make it,umm it was a 6th round pick at 212 to boot.. no risk, all reward.. who cares about odds LOL
 

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It would be rather awkward if he did terribly.

Since his father informed him of being drafted by the team, will he also be responsible for cutting his own son if things don't work out?

If he gets cut will Jerry say that he earned it?
Although I doubt the long-term prospect of Deuce Vaughn, I'm skeptical of the prospects of all 6th round pick. Only about 7% ever become full-time NFL starters. That doesn't mean that Deuce Vaughn didn't earn the opportunity by the way he played in college. He absolutely earned the opportunity. If he fails to make it, that doesn't mean Jerry was wrong about him earning his opportunity. Also, I sincerely hope Deuce does well. Just because I doubt he will be impactful doesn't mean I'm not rooting for him. I'll cheer for all of the Cowboys players to do well, as always.

I think the important thing is I'm expressing an opinion, not making a prediction. And I don't have my ego attached to my opinion. My opinions have been wrong many, many times. If Deuce doesn't make it, I will get no satisfaction from "being right." On the contrary, I will be sad if I'm right. I absolutely hope the kid proves me wrong. 100%
 

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hold our breath??:lmao: hes 6th rounder correct? so if he busts is it a bust?? no , its just oh well a 6th rounder didn't make it. these zoners are acting as if we took this kid in the first round.,,. smh hes sixth rounder with bigtime college number and is gamer..
Well u wont get an argument from I. I agree, hes a gamer. I been saying that. His numbers bare this fact. Thats why I said what I did..because many of these zoners are behaving like he was drafted in rd 2. This kid has nuthin 2 lose and a chip on his shoulder. Hes been that way his entire life. I luv his chances.
 

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I'm not sure about that. Preseason for us doesn't seem to be indicative of how many players will do in the regular season against other teams.
How so? Who played great in the preseason who couldn't contribute in reg season?
 

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Although I doubt the long-term prospect of Deuce Vaughn, I'm skeptical of the prospects of all 6th round pick. Only about 7% ever become full-time NFL starters. That doesn't mean that Deuce Vaughn didn't earn the opportunity by the way he played in college. He absolutely earned the opportunity. If he fails to make it, that doesn't mean Jerry was wrong about him earning his opportunity. Also, I sincerely hope Deuce does well. Just because I doubt he will be impactful doesn't mean I'm not rooting for him. I'll cheer for all of the Cowboys players to do well, as always.

I think the important thing is I'm expressing an opinion, not making a prediction. And I don't have my ego attached to my opinion. My opinions have been wrong many, many times. If Deuce doesn't make it, I will get no satisfaction from "being right." On the contrary, I will be sad if I'm right. I absolutely hope the kid proves me wrong. 100%
hes not the starter and how many 6th rounder are taken to start??? ..you are looking at this backwards.. first off Pollards the starter but then its RBBC a nice set of rbs with good skillsets. Noones anointing this kid, they are high on his upside.. will be nice camp battle with him , Malik, and Jones because ones most likely not making it..
 

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He is a 6th round draft choice!
Anything we get out of him on the positive side will be gravy.
 

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Well u wont get an argument from I. I agree, hes a gamer. I been saying that. His numbers bare this fact. Thats why I said what I did..because many of these zoners are behaving like he was drafted in rd 2. This kid has nuthin 2 lose and a chip on his shoulder. Hes been that way his entire life. I luv his chances.
Just hope this staff doesn't give up on him early like they did cutting Amendola after that PS fumble. thats an overreaction fan will do early if DV isn't looking great..
 

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How so? Who played great in the preseason who couldn't contribute in reg season?
Kamara was the Hard knocks here and gut cut.. also a few WRs who ended up on the PS never were called up but looked good in pS.
 

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Kamara was the Hard knocks here and gut cut.. also a few WRs who ended up on the PS never were called up but looked good in pS.
If you're going to answer me answer correctly because I'm not getting into dumb back and forths.

Who played GREAT in preseason who did nothing in reg season. Let's see if you can answer properly this time
 

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Your 4 RB’s on the initial 53:

Pollard
Davis
Deuce
Hunter

Book it.
 

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hes not the starter and how many 6th rounder are taken to start??? ..you are looking at this backwards.. first off Pollards the starter but then its RBBC a nice set of rbs with good skillsets. Noones anointing this kid, they are high on his upside.. will be nice camp battle with him , Malik, and Jones because ones most likely not making it..
I don't trust Pollard as a RB1 either. I think the RB position is weak on the Cowboys team, much like the WR & DT positions were weak last year. I don't mind a short RB. My preference is for a RB between 5'8" - 5"11" (low center of gravity) and between 200 - 215 lbs, with 4.5 - 5.0 speed. Balance and vision are perhaps the most important traits in a RB, and also the hardest to measure. At his height, I'd prefer Deuce to be around 190-195 lbs. In my opinion, he's 10-15 lbs too light for me.g

Zeke is also way past his prime, and I think it would be a mistake to bring him back to the Cowboys. I'm not sure who will emerge as the best Cowboys RB over the next 2-3 years.
 

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I watched a couple of games with Deuce Vaughn, and although he has some wiggle, and broke off some good runs in college, he also has an awful lot of plays where he gets stopped at the line of scrimmage. Due to his slight build, he gets swallowed up easily. I expect he will have an awful lot of carries in the NFL that go for zero yards - more than fans will be willing to tolerate.

He’s a great story, and I wish the kid well. But just based on their bodies of work to date, I have more trust that Ronald Jones will be a better back up to Pollard than Vaughn. Of course, I am MORE THAN WILLING to be wrong, but I don’t have a lot of hope that Vaughn will become a meaningful contributor in the Cowboys offense - at least not until he bulks up considerably. But even if he does, he still doesn’t have the break-away speed that you’d like to see in a backup gadget type RB.

Sorry to fans of Deuce, but that’s my honest opinion. I would have preferred picking Tucker out of Syracuse.
I saw this the other day, you can't just watch the highlight films of him, you have to watch actual game films against a certain team where they show the OTHER carries he gets that aren't big plays, and it was evident of what you're saying is so true. I can see us now saying cut him let him go! It will take time and maybe we will have to find better ways to use him being that he's so small
 

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Just hope this staff doesn't give up on him early like they did cutting Amendola after that PS fumble. thats an overreaction fan will do early if DV isn't looking great..
Thats a great example indeed. Still cant believe we cut that guy that quick. Another 1 might be Ridgeway. Time will tell, but I started getting a bad feeling after he shined for Washington in limited play.
 
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