Misgivings about Deuce Vaughn

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I watched a couple of games with Deuce Vaughn, and although he has some wiggle, and broke off some good runs in college, he also has an awful lot of plays where he gets stopped at the line of scrimmage. Due to his slight build, he gets swallowed up easily. I expect he will have an awful lot of carries in the NFL that go for zero yards - more than fans will be willing to tolerate.

He’s a great story, and I wish the kid well. But just based on their bodies of work to date, I have more trust that Ronald Jones will be a better back up to Pollard than Vaughn. Of course, I am MORE THAN WILLING to be wrong, but I don’t have a lot of hope that Vaughn will become a meaningful contributor in the Cowboys offense - at least not until he bulks up considerably. But even if he does, he still doesn’t have the break-away speed that you’d like to see in a backup gadget type RB.

Sorry to fans of Deuce, but that’s my honest opinion. I would have preferred picking Tucker out of Syracuse.
I don't think you are wrong at all but I also think that's something the coaches will be scheming for. He won't be asked to pick up 3rd and 1 and while he will run between the tackles he will just as often be used in the screen game. We won't ask him to be Zeke.
 

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I watched a couple of games with Deuce Vaughn, and although he has some wiggle, and broke off some good runs in college, he also has an awful lot of plays where he gets stopped at the line of scrimmage. Due to his slight build, he gets swallowed up easily. I expect he will have an awful lot of carries in the NFL that go for zero yards - more than fans will be willing to tolerate.

He’s a great story, and I wish the kid well. But just based on their bodies of work to date, I have more trust that Ronald Jones will be a better back up to Pollard than Vaughn. Of course, I am MORE THAN WILLING to be wrong, but I don’t have a lot of hope that Vaughn will become a meaningful contributor in the Cowboys offense - at least not until he bulks up considerably. But even if he does, he still doesn’t have the break-away speed that you’d like to see in a backup gadget type RB.

Sorry to fans of Deuce, but that’s my honest opinion. I would have preferred picking Tucker out of Syracuse.
He won’t get a lot of carries if he goes for zero yards. He’s going to have to make some plays or he’ll get very few to no carries. He’s going to have to earn carries by making plays. He might get more opportunities as a receiver out of the backfield.
 

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It would be rather awkward if he did terribly.

Since his father informed him of being drafted by the team, will he also be responsible for cutting his own son if things don't work out?

If he gets cut will Jerry say that he earned it?
 

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Ronald Jones is a good player. A few outlets have written that he won't make the team. But there's a good chance he does IMO.
 

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I watched a couple of games with Deuce Vaughn, and although he has some wiggle, and broke off some good runs in college, he also has an awful lot of plays where he gets stopped at the line of scrimmage. Due to his slight build, he gets swallowed up easily. I expect he will have an awful lot of carries in the NFL that go for zero yards - more than fans will be willing to tolerate.

He’s a great story, and I wish the kid well. But just based on their bodies of work to date, I have more trust that Ronald Jones will be a better back up to Pollard than Vaughn. Of course, I am MORE THAN WILLING to be wrong, but I don’t have a lot of hope that Vaughn will become a meaningful contributor in the Cowboys offense - at least not until he bulks up considerably. But even if he does, he still doesn’t have the break-away speed that you’d like to see in a backup gadget type RB.

Sorry to fans of Deuce, but that’s my honest opinion. I would have preferred picking Tucker out of Syracuse.
LOL, yeah i'm sure after "watching a couple of games", that sure has made you the expert and capable of making a unbias opinion of Deuce and thinking wrongfully he is only a "gadget type RB". You might want to see a complete season at least of his career which started as a freshman at KState. As well as the yardage he piled up on "some good runs". All backs get stopped frequently, some even lose yardage like Barry Sanders would. But they have more that break your back and cut out your heart. I am not gonna say he will have an Emmitt Smith type of career. But you are selling him short by judging him on his size.
 

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He could have a role with limited snaps but if we’re relying on him to be heavy contributor then shame on us.
If he proves himself as the season progresses that will be great. There is a reason he was passed over so many times. I wish him the best of luck.
 

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I watched a couple of games with Deuce Vaughn, and although he has some wiggle, and broke off some good runs in college, he also has an awful lot of plays where he gets stopped at the line of scrimmage. Due to his slight build, he gets swallowed up easily. I expect he will have an awful lot of carries in the NFL that go for zero yards - more than fans will be willing to tolerate.

He’s a great story, and I wish the kid well. But just based on their bodies of work to date, I have more trust that Ronald Jones will be a better back up to Pollard than Vaughn. Of course, I am MORE THAN WILLING to be wrong, but I don’t have a lot of hope that Vaughn will become a meaningful contributor in the Cowboys offense - at least not until he bulks up considerably. But even if he does, he still doesn’t have the break-away speed that you’d like to see in a backup gadget type RB.

Sorry to fans of Deuce, but that’s my honest opinion. I would have preferred picking Tucker out of Syracuse.
Success or failure will potentially depend upon whether he can break arm tackles....the benefit he's got will be a TE that is preventing the unopposed hit. I imagine Deuce and Jones will get snaps.....its the predictability that we need to introduce and having a slow north/south Zeke is worst example of open play running.
 

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I watched a couple of games with Deuce Vaughn, and although he has some wiggle, and broke off some good runs in college, he also has an awful lot of plays where he gets stopped at the line of scrimmage. Due to his slight build, he gets swallowed up easily. I expect he will have an awful lot of carries in the NFL that go for zero yards - more than fans will be willing to tolerate.

He’s a great story, and I wish the kid well. But just based on their bodies of work to date, I have more trust that Ronald Jones will be a better back up to Pollard than Vaughn. Of course, I am MORE THAN WILLING to be wrong, but I don’t have a lot of hope that Vaughn will become a meaningful contributor in the Cowboys offense - at least not until he bulks up considerably. But even if he does, he still doesn’t have the break-away speed that you’d like to see in a backup gadget type RB.

Sorry to fans of Deuce, but that’s my honest opinion. I would have preferred picking Tucker out of Syracuse.
he is a college RB, primary carrier for his team. in NFL he is a specialty player, he won't be an every down player and we probably won't use him to run much, that's pollard. he brings a different dimention to the team. so I am not worried about him getting stopped at the LOS, unless we plan to run him 15-20 times a game. I don't see that happening. As you said, he is good in space and has some wiggle, so Perhaps he is in the backfield in 3,4 WR sets, or gets a swing pass in some formations. if he shows he can get a few yards, cause some damage, then defenses have to account for him and that's all you need from your 3rd RB, about 3,4 good plays a game.
 

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he is a college RB, primary carrier for his team. in NFL he is a specialty player, he won't be an every down player and we probably won't use him to run much, that's pollard. he brings a different dimention to the team. so I am not worried about him getting stopped at the LOS, unless we plan to run him 15-20 times a game. I don't see that happening. As you said, he is good in space and has some wiggle, so Perhaps he is in the backfield in 3,4 WR sets, or gets a swing pass in some formations. if he shows he can get a few yards, cause some damage, then defenses have to account for him and that's all you need from your 3rd RB, about 3,4 good plays a game.
true, providing 20 is a full 100% If he isn't. he's getting a larger role.
 

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Youtube has videos of every play colleges RBs touched the ball in a given game. So I watched Bijan Robinson Gibbs and Achane and they all had a lot of plays when they didn't get many yards. It's pretty easy to get used to watching highlights and thinking a player does that on every play. I think the coaches have a plan for every player they drafted.
 

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we have 2 maybe more, threads devoted to implying(passive aggressively) Deuce can't/won't cut it in the NFL.. I suspect these are the "branch Zeke- vidans" . They are already laying the ground work in advance.,
It is possible to have an opinion without an agenda. I know it's hard to believe, when you spend a bit of time on this board, but sometimes people judge a player irrespective of whomever they'd rather see playing.
 

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Deuce Vaughn threads may be the best thing that has happened to the Fan Zone front page in a very long time, lol.
Because he’s an elite RB in a body that people are betting on will make him terrible.

His size has always been his strength and I’m betting that the NFL got it wrong.

If this guy just gets decent blocking he’s going to make plays. I’m 100% convinced of it.
 

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I watched him rip my Sooners and the rest of the Big 12 apart for the last few years, playing on a K-State team that isn't known for being loaded with talent. I worry about his slight build, but I know he has the ability to do some real damage if called upon. It isn't his game I'm worried about. If his body can handle the grind, he has a chance to be really good. Pretty big if though.
He doesn't have a slight build. He's just short.
 

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I watched him rip my Sooners and the rest of the Big 12 apart for the last few years, playing on a K-State team that isn't known for being loaded with talent. I worry about his slight build, but I know he has the ability to do some real damage if called upon. It isn't his game I'm worried about. If his body can handle the grind, he has a chance to be really good. Pretty big if though.
He doesn’t even have a slight build.

He’s just short.

5’5 180 is big for a 5’5 person. He’s a little ball of muscle.

Pretty sure he benched 225 17 times.
 

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Take it with a grain of salt.

Watch a game like this.

Yes he does get stopped at the LOS early on but he gets better and better.


what I see in this is if he has a hole or crack, he gets good yds,but if there is nothing there, or a dl grabs you in backfield, any rb is going down.

The main thing many here dont see , is that D got a lot of carries in college, quite a few pass targets, so he had better chance of chunk play or long run.
With cowboys, he will be used sparingly and so will have way less chance to break off chunk play or long run.
Cowboys have pollard on FT so jerry will want him getting most carries, and RJ probably # 2 so theres not enough left for dv.

What I would do , is the first team we play with weak run defense, I would make DV the feature back , give him 25 carrys, 10 passes,
and see what he does with it.( I would change the way our OL blocks too.)

He does have some good moves, and is elusive in space/. But he needs to be utilized properly, not just in a few plays a game.
 

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It is possible to have an opinion without an agenda. I know it's hard to believe, when you spend a bit of time on this board, but sometimes people judge a player irrespective of whomever they'd rather see playing.
Well said. I'm not broad brushing everyone . That is unfair if I did that. But they know who they are. Just saying, its May, can we take a deep breath and just wait?
 
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