Mistake re-signing Tyrone Crawford?

[Kaiser]

Yeah he's overpaid. He's an ok player but not what I expect for 9 milli a year.

I think its a lock they restructure or cut him this offseason, but people shouldn't pretend he got his second contract as charity.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Maleik Collins is already better then Crawford ever was

 

[darthseinfeld]

I think its a lock they restructure or cut him this offseason, but people shouldn't pretend he got his second contract as charity.

Id like to see him restructured at a significantly reduced rate. Solid rotational player with posotion versatility. However, on the field we wont miss him much if at all if we cut him

 

[perrykemp]

"Played In" means you are also including his rookie year where he played ST and didn't start.

The real stat is that he started 44 games in the last three years and had 99 tackles with 12.5 sacks. That's about what you would expect for an interior lineman, adding in the other two years is completely fake and you know it.

A few points:

(1) At first I thought you were making things up with the '99' tackles, then I checked again and realized I was only counting solo tackles (hence the 77). My mistake.

(2) Agreed that 25 tackle per season is better.

(3) You said 'That's about what you would expect for an interior lineman'. I'd argue those number aren't what you'd expect for a DT making $9m/year.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Well people apparently have to have a guy to be mad at for making more money than they 'deserve.' I guess it might as well be him now that Carr is a FA.

Crawford was top 3 in splash plays, was a team leader in pressures, and I know people know generic stat lines for DL are a horrible method to evaluating their play but people apparently need that to take issue with from someone so be it.

 

[TheCoolFan]

Collins and Irving are the future. Crawford is a guy who should be your 3rd or 4th best pass rusher but they think he's our version of JJ Watt

 

[Kaiser]

Id like to see him restructured at a significantly reduced rate. Solid rotational player with posotion versatility. However, on the field we wont miss him much if at all if we cut him

I think this is one of the big questions for the offseason, he is clearly overpaid for 2017 on his current contract but they need to decide if he is a starter at LDE, a backup at 3T, or a backup at both 3T and LDE. I think they make that decision and then decide on restructuring him down or cutting him, though they don't save anything by cutting him.

Crawford, Claiborne and Carr are the interesting FA negotiations IMO.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think its a lock they restructure or cut him this offseason, but people shouldn't pretend he got his second contract as charity.

Why? They have no leverage. If they cut him it does not give them an advantage financially as they just eat dead money and it leaves a gaping hole in an already suspect DL.

Irving is better I guess but none of the other guys are.

 

[Kaiser]

(3) You said 'That's about what you would expect for an interior lineman'. I'd argue those number aren't what you'd expect for a DT making $9m/year.

Totally agree, but his cap hit for the last two seasons (which is most of what you were quoting) has been a total of 7 Million. IMO his production was within range of that salary, its these coming years where pay and production are completely out of balance.

I think something like 20 Million of his current contract is guaranteed, it will be interesting to see what they do with his current contract.

 

[Common Sense]

He's a decent player playing on a bad contract. It happens. There's no leverage to force him into a pay cut since it's a net loss to cut him. He's got one more year to turn into a $10M/year player or he'll be gone. Based on past production and since Collins is likely the future at 3T / they'll draft a future starter at LDE, Crawford being cut before the 2018 season is the most likely scenario.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He's a decent player playing on a bad contract. It happens. There's no leverage to force him into a pay cut since it's a net loss to cut him. He's got one more year to turn into a $10M/year player or he'll be gone. Based on past production and since Collins is likely the future at 3T / they'll draft a future starter at LDE, Crawford being cut before the 2018 season is the most likely scenario.

I also think the coaches think he is a better player than the fans do.

 

[Kaiser]

Why? They have no leverage. If they cut him it does not give them an advantage financially as they just eat dead money and it leaves a gaping hole in an already suspect DL.

Irving is better I guess but none of the other guys are.

The best scenario by far is that Irving breaks out next year and beasts from that LDE position.

Dallas may have leverage, I cant find the details of how much of his future salaries are guaranteed. If they can cut him, even without gaining cap room, they do have leverage because Crawford's value on the open market will become the baseline for a renegotiation. For example, if Crawford could only get 3 Million a year after being cut and Dallas offers him a renegotiation down to 4MM, he still comes out ahead.

That said, I don't know how much of his deal is guaranteed. If all of it is guaranteed, its all a moot point like you say.

 

[BAZ]

He is from the area I live, he's Canadian, he should be in the Canadian Football League...

Fatality.

 

[lostar2009]

Whoa hold up. This is the guy you ppl made threads about gushing over. JJ responded and paid him and now you guys are sick? Don't blame Crawford for the lost last week.

 

[CyberB0b]

He's a total JAG. Unfortunately, we have a lot of them. Byron Jones, Barry Church, Claiborne, Scandrick, Hitchens, Crap. It's easier to just say everyone but Lee is a huge disappointment.

 

[gmoney112]

He's a decent player playing on a bad contract. It happens. There's no leverage to force him into a pay cut since it's a net loss to cut him. He's got one more year to turn into a $10M/year player or he'll be gone. Based on past production and since Collins is likely the future at 3T / they'll draft a future starter at LDE, Crawford being cut before the 2018 season is the most likely scenario.

How is it a net loss? We'd save the 7 mill he's owed this season, as well as his salary for future years. The hit we take for *this* year is just because all his dead money is accelerated to this year. It's definitely not a net loss entirely, it's only a loss this year, and that's if he's cut before June 1. Unless there's something I don't realize about his contract.

 

[gmoney112]

The best scenario by far is that Irving breaks out next year and beasts from that LDE position.

Dallas may have leverage, I cant find the details of how much of his future salaries are guaranteed. If they can cut him, even without gaining cap room, they do have leverage because Crawford's value on the open market will become the baseline for a renegotiation. For example, if Crawford could only get 3 Million a year after being cut and Dallas offers him a renegotiation down to 4MM, he still comes out ahead.

That said, I don't know how much of his deal is guaranteed. If all of it is guaranteed, its all a moot point like you say.

It looks like he has 10 mill guaranteed remaining.

 

[Idgit]

Lol he sucks. Cash me outsii how bout dah?

He finished right between Joey Bosa and JPP for defensive hurries in 2016. He doesn't suck.

 

[Kaiser]

It looks like he has 10 mill guaranteed remaining.

Heyyyyyyyyy, I just found this on ESPN -

There are no incentives or escalators in the deal. At the time of the signing, he is guaranteed $17.4 million. His 2017 base salary ($7.25 million) is guaranteed for injury but becomes fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the ’17 league year.

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas-cowboys/post/_/id/4745119/breaking-down-tyrone-crawfords-contract

If that is true, they do have leverage to make him renegotiate down. They could cut him prior to March 14th and save the out year salaries. There is no way Crawford would get 7 Million in salary next year if he is cut, so I think its likely he renegotiates his contract down.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The best scenario by far is that Irving breaks out next year and beasts from that LDE position.

Dallas may have leverage, I cant find the details of how much of his future salaries are guaranteed. If they can cut him, even without gaining cap room, they do have leverage because Crawford's value on the open market will become the baseline for a renegotiation. For example, if Crawford could only get 3 Million a year after being cut and Dallas offers him a renegotiation down to 4MM, he still comes out ahead.

That said, I don't know how much of his deal is guaranteed. If all of it is guaranteed, its all a moot point like you say.

And they still eat the dead money. The DL FA talent is also not brimming with talent.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/defensive-line/

I think you would be surprised by how much he could make in FA. There is no reason why we could not sign someone like Sheard or Campbell and keep him.