Mistake re-signing Tyrone Crawford?

[Clarkson]

Can we finally admit it was a mistake re signing him? He sucks, he is decent depth but not starter material

"Finally"? I think most have been admitting that for at least a year now.

 

[Stash]

TCrawford gets more than 7m APY immediately.....our fans suck at picking players to hate

He probably signs a 5/45m deal with 17m guaranteed.....we owe 4/28m with 7.25m gtd

Sure thing.


Teams will be lining up to sign this oft-injured underachiever without a true starting role.

 

[Stash]

He is already 8th and falling.......if you count 3-4 DEs he is 16th

Teams have a ton of cash and there aren't enough good players........fans need to come to grips that the cap has gone up almost 40% in the last 4 years

And Crawford not a "good player" either. And "good players" don't get paid 'great money'. When they do, it's a mistake. Like the Crawford deal.

 

[Stash]

if he renegotiated his deal like Carr he'd be a viable back up

As a rotational guy, he's fine. But the team isn't paying him to be that. And that's the part that needs to change.

It's not his level of play, it's his level of pay.

He's fine for who he is, but not good for what they're paying him to be.

And I've said numerous times, it's not all on him. In fact, the guy has tried to give the team everything they've asked. 3-4 DE, 3T, 4-3 DE. They've moved him all over the place and changed him up again and again, that's on them. But he's a round peg in a square hole, without a true role in this 4-3 defense.

 

[Kaiser]

Sounds like someone wants to have it both ways.

No, it sounds like some players fall into a middle ground and not on the extremes of "he sucks" or "he's great". Crawford is a good player that was worth his salary in the last two years, but not at the numbers he has going forward. Not a difficult concept.

 

[jazzcat22]

His production is representative of a UDFA, not someone making $9M/year...

Next year will be his 6th season in the NFL. Over his first 5 years he has averaged:

• 2.5 sacks per season
• 15 tackles per season
• 0.2 forced fumbles per season (exactly 1 in his entire career!)
• 0.4 fumble recoveries per season (exactly 2 in his entire career)

Even if you adjust for his missing season, he's averaged just over 1 tackle per game in his career.

So that is 18 plays a season, and Sean Lee does this in just about every game, less the sacks but he gets a pick here and there.
David Irving did this in 2 games this past season, on a part time basis.

Yeah, way overpaid....

 

[Idgit]

Let's add talent to the DL first and then see where we're at. We need a legit 8 man rotation, with a slot or two for developmental players with upside. We've got, what, T. Crawford, Irving, M Collkns, Mayowa, T McClain, and Lawrence right now. With some of those guys being legitimate question marks still. And Gregory and Tapper in line to develop. Looks to me like we need to be filling a couple of roster spots rather than creating another vacancy.

I"m all for players on bad contracts revising them in the team's favor. If Crawford wants to do that, great. I don't see why he would, and I doubt the team is going to approach him to ask him to do it, anyway.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Let's add talent to the DL first and then see where we're at. We need a legit 8 man rotation, with a slot or two for developmental players with upside. We've got, what, T. Crawford, Irving, M Collkns, Mayowa, T McClain, and Lawrence right now. With some of those guys being legitimate question marks still. And Gregory and Tapper in line to develop. Looks to me like we need to be filling a couple of roster spots rather than creating another vacancy.

I"m all for players on bad contracts revising them in the team's favor. If Crawford wants to do that, great. I don't see why he would, and I doubt the team is going to approach him to ask him to do it, anyway.

I agree but McClain is a FA. Should be a priority IMO.

 

[Idgit]

I agree but McClain is a FA. Should be a priority IMO.

Good point. I've already decided they're resigning him, but it's possible they don't want to afford it.

In any event, the DL needs a lot of legitimate help. More than I think we can realistically do in an offseason, and that's with guys like Lawrence (and Crawford) not having what end up being chronic joint problems that limit their productivity. That Lawrence back injury and missing on Gregory really hurt what we've been trying to do here. I'm praying Jaylon really does get on the field next season, because whatever the plan is for this mediocre defense, there's a ton of moving parts on both the front and in the secondary.

 

[TNCowboy]

This "pressures" argument is ridiculous. First, did you watch the games? Did Tyrone Crawford pressure the QB anywhere near as much as Kahlil Mack or Von Miller? Or Cam Wake or Melvin Ingram or anyone else on that list? I watched every game, and I don't recall anything approaching him getting 23 "almost sacks". To say nothing of the fact that most of the guys on that phony list didn't specialize in almost sacks, they got real sacks. Almost every time I watched the Raiders, Mack was disruptive constantly. Same with Von Miller, Olivier Vernon, etc. Most Cowboy games, Crawford was invisible.

Crawford's an ok player. Nothing more. He's one of the best paid DLs in the league. You give a guy that kind of $$, he's got to produce, and he didn't. He may survive another season due to continuity concerns, but his tenure with the Cowboys is on life support. A team with the Cowboys salary cap limitations can't afford dead weight like him.

 

[Idgit]

He's the 10th highest paid DT (22nd DL) in the league in terms of his contract's average salary. Right in between Derek Wolfe and Jurell Casey, if anybody's interested. Yes, he's overpaid. They made a bet on his upside and it didn't quite materialize. No, it's not like they didn't get return on their investment. You have 53 guys under contract at any point in time. Some of them are going to be good deals for the team, some of them bad. Some of them in the middle.

And for the record, I don't think the pressures argument is a bad one at all. Crawford does in fact generate pressure. I don't know what people are missing in games, but it's obvious. I don't want to make him out to be any better than he has been, because he's disappointed slightly each of the last two seasons, but he's not a bad player.

 

[Teague31]

Yes but he is terribly miscast as a 4-3 DE.

 

[Stash]

No, it sounds like some players fall into a middle ground and not on the extremes of "he sucks" or "he's great".

I don't disagree with that.

Crawford is a good player that was worth his salary in the last two years, but not at the numbers he has going forward. Not a difficult concept.

Sounds like I misunderstood you. My apologies.

We're in agreement.

 

[xwalker]

Can we finally admit it was a mistake re signing him? He sucks, he is decent depth but not starter material

They moved him to LDE in 2016 to improve the run defense. He was injured all of 2015.

We don't really know how good he can be at 3-tech DT.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Let me reiterate what I think Fuzzy posted above. Crawford might not have disappointed a little but he is no bum. Almost all the leaders in hurries are defensive ends. Crawford got his hurries from the interior.

NFL hurries:

These stats can be misleading, for example; Rodgers is back to throw, and after 8 seconds, Crawford breaks free, and hurries Rodgers to make a 35 yard completion for a first down, it's still listed as a hurry...... Sack or hits that cause an incompletion are better measurements.

 

[xwalker]

He doesn't want to play DT.

He didn't that.

He said he feels less beat up after the game playing DE.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

A few things.

First, Crawford isn't as bad as some in this thread have suggested. He isn't as good as we could have hoped. Second, when you sign a guy early you're making a gamble that you can get for cheaper now what you'd have to pay more for later. Crawford, believe it or not, was an ascending young player for us. Unfortunately, he hasn't progressed like we would have hoped, has battled injuries and hasn't been done any favors being bounced around to different positions on the line.

I suspect he'll be asked to restructure his deal next offseason if his play and production isn't much improved. On the list of things i'm worried about this offseason....Crawford making a few million too much after a risk/reward early signing...is very far down the list.

 

[rockj7]

Always an excuse with Crawford. He is the Mo Claiborne of DT's

He is officially the Brandon Carr of us Cowboys fans anger he make a too much and produces too little

 

[cowboyblue22]

he is just a guy

 

[jamesdojr]

Can we finally admit it was a mistake re signing him? He sucks, he is decent depth but not starter material

Yes. Big mistake. All he ever wanted was to get paid. He was and all the sudden he is a no-show. No impact on the field anymore. I'd cut him. He is not the RKG.