Mistake re-signing Tyrone Crawford?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Heyyyyyyyyy, I just found this on ESPN -

There are no incentives or escalators in the deal. At the time of the signing, he is guaranteed $17.4 million. His 2017 base salary ($7.25 million) is guaranteed for injury but becomes fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the ’17 league year.

http://www.espn.com/blog/dallas-cowboys/post/_/id/4745119/breaking-down-tyrone-crawfords-contract

If that is true, they do have leverage to make him renegotiate down. They could cut him prior to March 14th and save the out year salaries. There is no way Crawford would get 7 Million in salary next year if he is cut, so I think its likely he renegotiates his contract down.

Again. They cut him and the dead money accelerates. They lose cap space. There is no leverage.

 

[MileyDancer]

I've said since they gave it to him it was a mistake. They paid him based on potential and not production.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I've said since they gave it to him it was a mistake. They paid him based on potential and not production.

Paying someone based on what they have done in the past is even worse. It's how you end up with aging albatrosses.

 

[Playmaker247]

Paying someone based on what they have done in the past is even worse. It's how you end up with aging albatrosses.

Production trumps potential everytime. Give me the guy who has produced on the field. The film doesn't lie. Potential does.

 

[Kaiser]

Again. They cut him and the dead money accelerates. They lose cap space. There is no leverage.

The leverage is that if the Cowboys cut Crawford, he is a FA and make a lot less than 7 Million per season.

Crawford wants to keep his current contract, so he has no leverage.

Dallas can cut Crawford and force him to make less money next season, so they have leverage.

The negotiation isn't Dallas against their cap number, the negotiation is between what Crawford would make after he is cut and what Crawford would take in renegotiating his salary with the Cowboys.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The leverage is that if cut Crawford, he is a FA and make a lot less than 7 Million per season.

Crawford wants to keep his current contract, so he has no leverage.

Dallas can cut Crawford and force him to make less money next season, so they have leverage.

The negotiation isn't Dallas against their cap number, the negotiation is between what Crawford would make after he is cut and what Crawford would take in renegotiating his salary with the Cowboys.

I'm not so sure that he would not make that much or close to it.

You also act as if there is no negative to the Cowboys. The lose space and talent on an already weak DL. IOW, they are losing money and have to pay a replacement.

Overall they have no leverage.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Production trumps potential everytime. Give me the guy who has produced on the field. The film doesn't lie. Potential does.

He played well replacing Mincey before signing the contract.

 

[Kaiser]

Overall they have no leverage.

If General Manager X had a gun to the head of Player Y but doesn't want to go to jail, he still has leverage. Not a ton of leverage, but he does have leverage.

And I completely disagree on Crawford making 7 Million as a FA. That would make him the 14th highest paid DT or 18th highest paid DE in the NFL next year, I think the chances of that happening are zero.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If General Manager X had a gun to the head of Player Y but doesn't want to go to jail, he still has leverage. Not a ton of leverage, but he does have leverage.

And I completely disagree on Crawford making 7 Million as a FA. That would make him the 14th highest paid DT or 18th highest paid DE in the NFL next year, I think the chances of that happening are zero.

A life or death situation is a poor comparison. Being cut is hardly the end if Crawford's NFL life. He will be getting his second FA contract before the age of 30.

The market expands and the current crop of FA make more than the FA signed before them. It's been the way of the NFL for 20 years. People are always surprised by how "overpaid" FA are and I see no reason why this year and a similar expanding cap would be any different.

He isn't going to make Watt money obviously as he isn't league leading talent but he is competing against the other people in the market not what you think he should make in a vacuum or every DL in the league. That was the point of me showing you the DL FA list.

Once you get past Sheard, JPP, and Campbell, the pickings are slim and Crawford is right up there. 90% of the teams in the league need DL help and the median team cap space is $30m. It's simple supply and demand.

 

[Nightman]

If General Manager X had a gun to the head of Player Y but doesn't want to go to jail, he still has leverage. Not a ton of leverage, but he does have leverage.

And I completely disagree on Crawford making 7 Million as a FA. That would make him the 14th highest paid DT or 18th highest paid DE in the NFL next year, I think the chances of that happening are zero.

TCrawford gets more than 7m APY immediately.....our fans suck at picking players to hate

He probably signs a 5/45m deal with 17m guaranteed.....we owe 4/28m with 7.25m gtd

 

[JoeyBoy718]

I think Crawford and Collins can make a nice starting DT duo. Collins has the size of a 1-tech. He's actually the biggest guy on our D-line. They both provide more pass rush than any other DTs we have, besides Irving, but I'd see if Irving can win the starting SDE job. Then we need to spend some money on a good veteran WDE. I'd still draft DE and DT early but I wouldn't want to have to rely on a rookie. D-line would look like:
WDE - free agent, Mayowa, rookie
3DT - Crawford, rookie
1DT - Collins, Thornton
SDE - Irving, Lawrence, Tapper

 

[T-RO]

Let me reiterate what I think Fuzzy posted above. Crawford might not have disappointed a little but he is no bum. Almost all the leaders in hurries are defensive ends. Crawford got his hurries from the interior.

NFL hurries:

 

[Kaiser]

TCrawford gets more than 7m APY immediately.....our fans suck at picking players to hate

He probably signs a 5/45m deal with 17m guaranteed.....we owe 4/28m with 7.25m gtd

What you are saying is that if Crawford gets cut he would become one of the ten highest paid DT's in the NFL.

Is that .... your final answer?

I don't hate Crawford but he isn't even guaranteed a starting job next year, much less one of the 10 highest paychecks among DTs.

 

[Nightman]

What you are saying is that if Crawford gets cut he would become one of the ten highest paid DT's in the NFL.

Is that .... your final answer?

I don't hate Crawford but he isn't even guaranteed a starting job next year, much less one of the 10 highest paychecks among DTs.

He is already 8th and falling.......if you count 3-4 DEs he is 16th

Teams have a ton of cash and there aren't enough good players........fans need to come to grips that the cap has gone up almost 40% in the last 4 years

 

[waving monkey]

if he renegotiated his deal like Carr he'd be a viable back up

 

[Stash]

I think its a lock they restructure or cut him this offseason, but people shouldn't pretend he got his second contract as charity.

Sounds like someone wants to have it both ways.

 

[Stash]

Why? They have no leverage. If they cut him it does not give them an advantage financially as they just eat dead money and it leaves a gaping hole in an already suspect DL.

Irving is better I guess but none of the other guys are.

A hole to be sure, but not a "gaping" one for a player who doesn't truly have a starting role any longer.

Let's face it, Collins and McClain more than held their own inside, so you don't need him starting there. A position that he, himself has said that he'd rather not play. And he's miscast as a true 4-3 defensive end and one of the reasons why pass rusher is this team's biggest need.

You don't save anything this year, but you do clear a contract mistake off the books and give yourself the flexibility for the future.

And as I've read, he's coming off of yet another shoulder surgery as well.

 

[Stash]

And they still eat the dead money. The DL FA talent is also not brimming with talent.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/defensive-line/

I think you would be surprised by how much he could make in FA. There is no reason why we could not sign someone like Sheard or Campbell and keep him.

So he sees the field even less for an increasing salary?

Sometimes, it's better to just rip the bandaid right off.

 

[Stash]

I'm not so sure that he would not make that much or close to it.

I'm sure. This is Dallas' mistake and everyone else knows it. Nobody's signing up to make it their own. And coming off of yet another shoulder surgery? Nobody's lining up to pay him.

You also act as if there is no negative to the Cowboys. The lose space and talent on an already weak DL. IOW, they are losing money and have to pay a replacement.

Overall they have no leverage.

I think they do. Anyone who looks at that contract can see he's grossly overpaid for his production and role. Including him and his agent. He goes out on the market and it's a guy coming off of shoulder surgery having to 'prove it' all over again.

 

[Stash]

He played well replacing Mincey before signing the contract.

He got the contract based on playing 3T, not replacing Mincey.