MJ vs Elvis Who will be remember as the biggest icon?

bbgun;2825033 said:
Unlike Jackson, Elvis experienced a lull in the prime of career, hence the NBC "comeback" special in 1968
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Michael had a much longer lull in his career. Except for maybe Scream with Janet he didn't have a hit since the early 90's.
 
VietCowboy;2824997 said:
Sweetie isn't an insult, but there are often times we seem to miss each other in posts because a lot of times, I cannot truly grasp what you are conveying. I'd rather you refer to me as "sweety" than "lady." I've only been referred to as "lady" by little kids, so it was just really weird coming from you, but I just put it down as colloquialism.
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I call my daughters sweety sometimes when I want to get their attention. I honestly did not mean it to demean you. Others took it that I was. I apologize for that.

I like you. You're fun to challenge and I admit that I do try to challenge you. Sometimes I am purposely vague on things hoping that you will put 2 and 2 together.

I do not challenge people unless I respect them in some way. Not many get that about me. It is fine. I am used to it.
 
Cajuncowboy;2825001 said:
Wow, this is funny.

Lets see. Someone said MJ was bigger in other countries... Obviously they know nothing about Elvis' appeal in Germany, Japan and Scandinavia.

AS for record sales, you people do realize that back in the day, records were just that. Records. For you young'uns they were large round black discs that were made of vinyl. You had to actually put these things on a large machine that used a needle to make the sound come out. They didn't have the luxury of using an Ipod, or even a CD player.

Point is that there was no amazon, no walkmans and no cd players or mp3 downloads. And this throughout his entire life and career, unlike that of Jackson's. And most people had to hear his music from the radio. So if the DJ didn't play it, you didn't hear it.

Icon? Some people don't understand the meaning of the word. Jackson was great no doubt, but he didn't do anything groundbreaking other than create some new dance moves.
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I'll disagree with you about Michael being iconoclastic.

Not just for his music or his dance moves either. He also changed the fashion industry several times.
 
bbgun;2825033 said:
Unlike Jackson, Elvis experienced a lull in the prime of career, hence the NBC "comeback" special in 1968
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Cajuncowboy;2825038 said:
Sorry but it has become known as the '68 Comeback special but it wasn't meant as that. IT was dubbed that because it spurred a whole new audience and increased demand for him and his music.

It was simply meant to be a Christmas special for NBC.
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I hate to disagree with both of you, but I am going to.

The "comeback" was because he had been drafted into the military and served 2 years. Even during his time in the military he was a selling machine.
 
VietCowboy;2825050 said:
FYI, Aloha in Hawaii was only shown in South Vietnam because at that time, and before, there was only one tv station in Vietnam that was in English, and that tv station was only available in Saigon and the south.

The other station, in Vietnamese, was government controlled, and would not have shown anything but Vietnamese mumbo jumbo nor encouraged their viewers to adore anything French or American.
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There would still be news reports of something THAT big. 1.5 billion people were estimated to have seen it. Isn't it safe to say a huge portion of the remainder of the population probably heard about it?
 
Hostile;2825061 said:
I'll disagree with you about Michael being iconoclastic.

Not just for his music or his dance moves either. He also changed the fashion industry several times.
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I have no idea where he got the idea for his costumes from..

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Hostile;2825062 said:
I hate to disagree with both of you, but I am going to.

The "comeback" was because he had been drafted into the military and served 2 years. Even during his time in the military he was a selling machine.
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Elvis was in the service from 1958-1060. He was out of the army for eight years before the "comeback" program.

But you are right, during the time he was in the service, he continued to sell albums like crazy.
 
Hostile;2825063 said:
There would still be news reports of something THAT big. 1.5 billion people were estimated to have seen it. Isn't it safe to say a huge portion of the remainder of the population probably heard about it?
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Hos, who would be a better resource as to what is going on in Vietnam at that time than her?

Maybe in the village or whatever where her family is from didn't have the ability to see it or if they did, a concert of an American was probably a little less important than survival.

I guess I just don't see why you are even debating that point. Makes no sense to me.
 
WoodysGirl;2825080 said:
Hos, who would be a better resource as to what is going on in Vietnam at that time than her?

Maybe in the village or whatever where her family is from didn't have the ability to see it or if they did, a concert of an American was probably a little less important than survival.

I guess I just don't see why you are even debating that point. Makes no sense to me.
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As I have already said, I find it very hard to believe her father never heard of Elvis Presley until 1990 when they came to America. It is just that simple and nothing devious is meant. I find it mind boggling to say the least.

I can understand someone saying they didn't like Elvis. Never heard of him is far fetched.
 
Hostile;2825063 said:
There would still be news reports of something THAT big. 1.5 billion people were estimated to have seen it. Isn't it safe to say a huge portion of the remainder of the population probably heard about it?
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I'm not completely sure. Censorship is pretty bad in Vietnam, even to this day. I dunno, I wasn't there. I'm just trying to rationalize how someone could say they've never heard of him before coming to the US.

P.S. True story, but I met an old lady who hadn't heard of Britney Spears. She was selling lottery tickets on the side of the road and I was playing on my Ipod touch and trying to steal wifi from a cafe next to her little stand. I was listening to a BS song, and talked about her. She was pretty old though, like 70+. I guess, it was from this experience how i could see my dad saying he'd never heard of Elvis. I doubt if I were to ask her again if she's heard of BS, that she'll remember. They really don't care what is going on outside of their survival bubble.
 
VietCowboy;2825084 said:
I'm not completely sure. Censorship is pretty bad in Vietnam, even to this day. I dunno, I wasn't there. I'm just trying to rationalize how someone could say they've never heard of him before coming to the US.

P.S. True story, but I met an old lady who hadn't heard of Britney Spears. She was selling lottery tickets on the side of the road and I was playing on my Ipod touch and trying to steal wifi from a cafe next to her little stand. I was listening to a BS song, and talked about her. She was pretty old though, like 70+. I guess, it was from this experience how i could see my dad saying he'd never heard of Elvis. I doubt if I were to ask her again if she's heard of BS, that she'll remember. They really don't care what is going on outside of their survival bubble.
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That actually doesn't shock me. Until a week ago I had never heard of Zack Efron until he appeared as a name in a thread. I had heard of High School Musical but had never seen it. Still haven't, but now I know his name.

I had no idea who Shia Lebeauf was until someone told me he was in Transformers.

Not having heard of Elvis Presley until 1990 is seriously hard for me to grasp. I am taking you and your Dad at his word, but I am really skeptical.
 
elvis and michael are the two most legendary musicians the planet will ever see.

they are equal in my eyes.


having said that:

merle haggard
stevie wonder
george strait
paul mccartney
gary rossington
elton john
willie nelson

if i outlive these....i will mourn deeply.
 
Hostile;2825092 said:
That actually doesn't shock me. Until a week ago I had never heard of Zack Efron until he appeared as a name in a thread. I had heard of High School Musical but had never seen it. Still haven't, but now I know his name.

I had no idea who Shia Lebeauf was until someone told me he was in Transformers.

Not having heard of Elvis Presley until 1990 is seriously hard for me to grasp. I am taking you and your Dad at his word, but I am really skeptical.
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well, I didn't know who zack efron is until now, hehe. I don't know what he looks like though, nor have I ever or will ever see HSM.
 
I really don't like either and never did, but in the United States I'd have to say Elvis and it's not even close. Internationally, I have no idea.
 
lane;2825093 said:
elvis and michael are the two most legendary musicians the planet will ever see.

they are equal in my eyes.


having said that:

merle haggard
stevie wonder
george strait
paul mccartney
gary rossington
elton john
willie nelson

if i outlive these....i will mourn deeply.
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This brings up another point. I don't think I would classify Elvis or Michael as musicians. I know Elvis played Guitar and piano and some drums but he wasn't what I would call an accomplished musician by industry standards. I have never seen Michael play any instruments. I would love to know if he did.
 
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