MJ vs Elvis Who will be remember as the biggest icon?

[Cajuncowboy]

Wow, this is funny.

Lets see. Someone said MJ was bigger in other countries... Obviously they know nothing about Elvis' appeal in Germany, Japan and Scandinavia.

AS for record sales, you people do realize that back in the day, records were just that. Records. For you young'uns they were large round black discs that were made of vinyl. You had to actually put these things on a large machine that used a needle to make the sound come out. They didn't have the luxury of using an Ipod, or even a CD player.

Point is that there was no amazon, no walkmans and no cd players or mp3 downloads. And this throughout his entire life and career, unlike that of Jackson's. And most people had to hear his music from the radio. So if the DJ didn't play it, you didn't hear it.

Icon? Some people don't understand the meaning of the word. Jackson was great no doubt, but he didn't do anything groundbreaking other than create some new dance moves.

 

[Jon88]

Icon? Some people don't understand the meaning of the word. Jackson was great no doubt, but he didn't do anything groundbreaking other than create some new dance moves.

He was the modern day Peter Pan.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

He was the modern day Peter Pan.

He was a modern day freak. Hardly worthy of Icon status.

 

[Maikeru-sama]

Im pretty sure there wasn't an amazon.com when Thriller came out .

So now Mike's only talent was his dancing?

Well, I guess the Revisionist History had to get rolling at some point.

 

[Jon88]

Im pretty sure there wasn't an amazon.com when Thriller came out .

So now Mike's only talent was his dancing?

Well, I guess the Revisionist History had to get rolling at some point.

Shamone

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I did not deny that. I said I wasn't trying to be condescending to HER. To me sweety is not an insult.

Either you will get over it or you won't.

I will "get over it" when you "grasp"

 

[bbgun]

He was a modern day freak. Hardly worthy of Icon status.

As someone recently remarked, his life was a tragedy, not just his death.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

MJ had been performing since the age of four, so "technically" he was an entertainer longer than Presley was. The difference is that Elvis had a couple of hits in the last few years of his life, whereas MJ hasn't been relevant for the last decade or so.

regards Michael, I don't ever remember him gaining a cult-like following when I was growing up, like the one Elvis spawned, chicks literally swooned when he was within 1,000 yards

and this was the '50s, where intercourse before marriage was taboo

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Im pretty sure there wasn't an amazon.com when Thriller came out .

So now Mike's only talent was his dancing?

Well, I guess the Revisionist History had to get rolling at some point.

I think his fondness for fondling little kids eclipsed that:laugh1:

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Im pretty sure there wasn't an amazon.com when Thriller came out .

So now Mike's only talent was his dancing?

Well, I guess the Revisionist History had to get rolling at some point.

Ummm, it was around for a portion of his life. Unlike with Elvis. Elvis was at the top when he died and still selling strong.

A list of Michael Jackson albums as a solo entertainer...

Per Wikipedia

* Got to Be There (1972)
* Ben (1972)
* Music and Me (1973)
* Forever, Michael (1975)
* Off the Wall (1979)
* Thriller (1982)
* Bad (1987)
* Dangerous (1991)
* HIStory (1995)
* Invincible (2001)

Elvis...




1956 Elvis Presley
Elvis
1957 Elvis' Christmas Album
1960 Elvis Is Back!
His Hand in Mine
1961 Something for Everybody
1962 Pot Luck
1967 How Great Thou Art
1969 From Elvis in Memphis
From Memphis to Vegas/From Vegas to Memphis
1970 Back in Memphis
1971 Elvis Country (I'm 10,000 Years Old)
Love Letters from Elvis
Elvis Sings The Wonderful World of Christmas
1972 Elvis Now
He Touched Me
1973 Elvis ("Fool" album)
Raised on Rock/For Ol' Times Sake
1974 Good Times
1975 Promised Land
Today
1976 From Elvis Presley Boulevard, Memphis, Tennessee
1977 Moody Blue

Soundtracks
1957 Loving You
1958 King Creole
1960 G.I. Blues
1961 Blue Hawaii
1962 Girls! Girls! Girls!
1963 It Happened at the World's Fair
Fun in Acapulco
1964 Kissin' Cousins
Roustabout
1965 Girl Happy
Harum Scarum
1966 Frankie and Johnny
Paradise, Hawaiian Style
Spinout
1967 Double Trouble

Clambake
1968 Speedway
Elvis (NBC-TV Special)
1970 That's the Way It Is

1970 On Stage: February 1970
Elvis in Person at the International Hotel
1972 Elvis: As Recorded At Madison Square Garden
1973 Aloha From Hawaii: Via Satellite
1974 Elvis: As Recorded Live On Stage In Memphis
Having Fun With Elvis On Stage
1977 Elvis in Concert


Add to that the fact that Elvis was so much in demand that people flocked to his movies even if they weren't very good. How many Movies was Michael in?

Revisionist history? Nah, just history.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

How many Movies was Michael in?

Revisionist history? Nah, just history.

he did appear in a music video for "Free Willy":laugh1:

 

[Cajuncowboy]

MJ had been performing since the age of four, so "technically" he was an entertainer longer than Presley was. The difference is that Elvis had a couple of hits in the last few years of his life, whereas MJ hasn't been relevant for the last decade or so.

The other difference is that Elvis' career spanned 20 years and did more in that amount of time than Jackson did in his entire career.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

he did appear in a music video for "Free Willy":laugh1:

I forgot about that earth shattering endeavor. That may change my mind.

 

[bbgun]

The other difference is that Elvis' career spanned 20 years and did more in that amount of time than Jackson did in his entire career.

Unlike Jackson, Elvis experienced a lull in the prime of career, hence the NBC "comeback" special in 1968

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Unlike Jackson, Elvis experienced a lull in the prime of career, hence the NBC "comeback" special in 1968

Sorry but it has become known as the '68 Comeback special but it wasn't meant as that. IT was dubbed that because it spurred a whole new audience and increased demand for him and his music.

It was simply meant to be a Christmas special for NBC.

 

[bbgun]

Sorry but it has become known as the '68 Comeback special but it wasn't meant as that. IT was dubbed that because it spurred a whole new audience and increased demand for him and his music.

It was simply meant to be a Christmas special for NBC.

Well, his career wasn't exactly soaring in the mid- to late-60s. At that time, anti-war/anti-establishment bands were all the rage, making Elvis look like a square in comparison.

 

[Hostile]

I will remind you in 1973 we were in a war in Vietnam, and half the country was not exactly happy with the US.

And I would remind you that your country would therefore know more about the goings on in America than if we were not there.

Also, Elvis didn't spring into billion homes popularity overnight or even in 1972. He had been a cultural phenomenon worldwide for many years prior to 1973.

 

[Cajuncowboy]

Well, his career wasn't exactly soaring in the mid- to late-60s. At that time, anti-war/anti-establishment bands were all the rage, making Elvis look like a square in comparison.

He had 18 songs in the top 50 on the Billboard charts from 1964-1967. Of them 13 were top 25 and several were number ones.

Not like he was not getting any air play and struggling. Maybe by Elvis standards he was experiencing a lull, but most artists would give their right arm to experience that kind of a lull.

The other thing to consider is that Elvis appealed to a Wide range of genres displaying his diverse talent.

He had top albums in Rock, Country and Gospel.


Also, Elvis is the number one selling single artist in history.

Per...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

In terms of their life span Elvis sold over 1 billion in sales.

Jackson over 750 million.

24 years for Elvis and 45 years for Jackson.

All the numbers point to Elvis being number one.

 

[bbgun]

He had 18 songs in the top 50 on the Billboard charts from 1964-1967. Of them 13 were top 25 and several were number ones.

Not like he was not getting any air play and struggling. Maybe by Elvis standards he was experiencing a lull, but most artists would give their right arm to experience that kind of a lull.

The other thing to consider is that Elvis appealed to a Wide range of genres displaying his diverse talent.

He had top albums in Rock, Country and Gospel.


Also, Elvis is the number one selling single artist in history.

Per...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_music_artists

In terms of their life span Elvis sold over 1 billion in sales.

Jackson over 750 million.

24 years for Elvis and 45 years for Jackson.

All the numbers point to Elvis being number one.

He had no Top 50 singles from 1966 to 1968. He rebounded with two of them in 1969 (Suspicious Minds and In The Ghetto).

 

[VietCowboy]

And I would remind you that your country would therefore know more about the goings on in America than if we were not there.

Also, Elvis didn't spring into billion homes popularity overnight or even in 1972. He had been a cultural phenomenon worldwide for many years prior to 1973.

FYI, Aloha in Hawaii was only shown in South Vietnam because at that time, and before, there was only one tv station in Vietnam that was in English, and that tv station was only available in Saigon and the south.

The other station, in Vietnamese, was government controlled, and would not have shown anything but Vietnamese mumbo jumbo nor encouraged their viewers to adore anything French or American.