CFZ MM's West Coast Personnel with the Packers

[xwalker]

I did some research last night and tried to see what MM's skilled positions personnel looked like at his time with the Packers:

-Never had a great running back: Ryan Grant, Eddie Lacy, James Starks were all average at best at the position.
-The same can be said about their TE's, outside of Finley, Cooke, a bunch of Jag's.
-Their WR room was Donald Driver/Greg Jennings, then became Jordy Nelson/Randall Cobb/James Jones, where a young Adams replaced Jones late in MM time.

-I believe (opinion) MM is going to tweak his scheme and become more run first oriented. He is going to devise the best way to play to Dak's strengths. He may not had great running backs in GB, cause why would he take the ball out of Rodgers hands. He knows how to use a strong ground attack from his days as a OC with the Saints.

-Front office job now is to find players that fit this scheme. High-end route runners, that get quick separation. If they do decide to become more run first, adding another TE becomes necessary, especially if Shultz departs. Target running backs who are dual threats, I aspect more screens and be more apart of the passing game.

Ryan Grant was really good for about 3 years.

Lacy really good for about 2 years.

Starks was never a full time starter.

WR turned RB Ty Montgomery did more than Starks from what I recall.

Finally in McCarthy's final 2 seasons they had dynamo RB Aaron Jones.

After McCarthy departed they added battering ram AJ Dillon. The combo of Jones and Dillon is what Pollard/Zeke should have been the past couple of years but Zeke was not remotely close to the power of Dillon.

 

[Cowboyny]

Ryan Grant was really good for about 3 years.

Lacy really good for about 2 years.

Starks was never a full time starter.

WR turned RB Ty Montgomery did more than Starks from what I recall.

Finally in McCarthy's final 2 seasons they had dynamo RB Aaron Jones.

After McCarthy departed they added battering ram AJ Dillon. The combo of Jones and Dillon is what Pollard/Zeke should have been the past couple of years but Zeke was not remotely close to the power of Dillon.

The Aaron Rodgers affect, where teams were defending against the pass. Agree, that Jones/Dillion combo is the way to go. Have that one homerun hitter along with that power back for short yardage situations.

 

[DFWJC]

He had prime Aaron Rodgers

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[xwalker]

I did some research last night and tried to see what MM's skilled positions personnel looked like at his time with the Packers:

-Never had a great running back: Ryan Grant, Eddie Lacy, James Starks were all average at best at the position.
-The same can be said about their TE's, outside of Finley, Cooke, a bunch of Jag's.
-Their WR room was Donald Driver/Greg Jennings, then became Jordy Nelson/Randall Cobb/James Jones, where a young Adams replaced Jones late in MM time.

-I believe (opinion) MM is going to tweak his scheme and become more run first oriented. He is going to devise the best way to play to Dak's strengths. He may not had great running backs in GB, cause why would he take the ball out of Rodgers hands. He knows how to use a strong ground attack from his days as a OC with the Saints.

-Front office job now is to find players that fit this scheme. High-end route runners, that get quick separation. If they do decide to become more run first, adding another TE becomes necessary, especially if Shultz departs. Target running backs who are dual threats, I aspect more screens and be more apart of the passing game.

Finley was a really good receiving TE but didn't rack up huge stats.

The 2nd TE played a lot of snaps most years but was not targeted often, IIRC.

 

[xwalker]

I did some research last night and tried to see what MM's skilled positions personnel looked like at his time with the Packers:

-Never had a great running back: Ryan Grant, Eddie Lacy, James Starks were all average at best at the position.
-The same can be said about their TE's, outside of Finley, Cooke, a bunch of Jag's.
-Their WR room was Donald Driver/Greg Jennings, then became Jordy Nelson/Randall Cobb/James Jones, where a young Adams replaced Jones late in MM time.

-I believe (opinion) MM is going to tweak his scheme and become more run first oriented. He is going to devise the best way to play to Dak's strengths. He may not had great running backs in GB, cause why would he take the ball out of Rodgers hands. He knows how to use a strong ground attack from his days as a OC with the Saints.

-Front office job now is to find players that fit this scheme. High-end route runners, that get quick separation. If they do decide to become more run first, adding another TE becomes necessary, especially if Shultz departs. Target running backs who are dual threats, I aspect more screens and be more apart of the passing game.

I think part of the conflict between Rodgers and McCarthy was with regards to McCarthy wanting to run the ball more.

The new HC came in with a mandate to run the ball more/better.

Rushing attempts by Green Bay:
2018: 333 (Mc's last season)
2022: 446

 

[JBS]

I hope he does something. Being the 2nd most productive offense behind the Chiefs was unbearable.

So what is your opinion on how and why Moore was let go?

 

[Risen Star]

So what is your opinion on how and why Moore was let go?

This year's scapegoat and now McCarthy is set up to be next year's scapegoat. This isn't hard to figure out.

 

[Creeper]

He had Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers is one of the best ever to play. His smarts and accuracy were incredible. He didn't need a great RB or WRs. He made them great.

 

[Cowboyny]

I think part of the conflict between Rodgers and McCarthy was with regards to McCarthy wanting to run the ball more.

The new HC came in with a mandate to run the ball more/better.

Rushing attempts by Green Bay:
2018: 333 (Mc's last season)
2022: 446

Yes, their new coach was the one who wanted to run more, especially when they used a high pick on Dillion his 1st yr.

 

[jterrell]

The WCO is quite well-known and the main factors are WRs who can make YAC.
It is the IDEAL offense for CeeDee Lamb.

Kellen used some tenants there.

The MM version is more traditional and used short, quick passing game in lieu of flat out running the ball.

The main thing I'd suggest is we do see a WR brought in now that matches that bigger frame, after the catch work of a Dez type guy. T.O. is the prototype with Jerry Rice the beyond comprehension excellence.

I now think a WR R1 is very, very possible. Mike will want his weapons in the passing game.
All that said, Will loves to play the board straight.
This draft may well see some shift in power in personnel over to MM.

 

[Cowboyny]

Finley was a really good receiving TE but didn't rack up huge stats.

The 2nd TE played a lot of snaps most years but was not targeted often, IIRC.

Went back 10 years and no TE's outside of Finley and Cooke seemed high-end. Richard Rogers type's. He did use Kuhn as a FB for several years.

 

[charron]

MM had plenty of weapons in GB. He had a HOF QB that every team respected and had that Rodgers magic to make something out of a broken play. Every defense respected his passes which helped lighten the box at times for his RB's along with how they used their backs in the passing game. Something we could no longer take advantage of here.

 

[Cowboyny]

The WCO is quite well-known and the main factors are WRs who can make YAC.
It is the IDEAL offense for CeeDee Lamb.

Kellen used some tenants there.

The MM version is more traditional and used short, quick passing game in lieu of flat out running the ball.

The main thing I'd suggest is we do see a WR brought in now that matches that bigger frame, after the catch work of a Dez type guy. T.O. is the prototype with Jerry Rice the beyond comprehension excellence.

I now think a WR R1 is very, very possible. Mike will want his weapons in the passing game.
All that said, Will loves to play the board straight.
This draft may well see some shift in power in personnel over to MM.

Early look this year's WR class lacks many high-end receivers. Really think Beckhman remains their #1 target to fill the need and they will look to draft another one by the end of day 2.

 

[mahoneybill]

Let's hope he does what Quinn did, modernizes his scheme for today's game. WCO to me is all about yards after the catch, the QB gets the ball out quickly and those receivers are expected to turn those 5 yards plays in chunk plays. Look how SFO runs their scheme and who they have.

Jerry Rice wasn’t a burner, but Montana could hit him in stride . He was also schemed open to make that happen....

CD could be that type of guy for us if schemed right... Pollard also...

 

[jterrell]

I think part of the conflict between Rodgers and McCarthy was with regards to McCarthy wanting to run the ball more.

The new HC came in with a mandate to run the ball more/better.

Rushing attempts by Green Bay:
2018: 333 (Mc's last season)
2022: 446

Rodgers has had conflict at every level and every turn.
At this point it's pretty clear it is a HIM issue.

MM may well have just gotten stale in GB.
But AR has whined, begged about for trades, signed a new massive overpaid deal, and returned to begging for trades and threatening to retire.
The reason he fell in the draft initially was no one liked him at all.
He is one of the least likable players in NFL history.


In GB and other cold weather stadiums, you need to be able to run the ball.
It was what Jimmy learned quickly and BP knew.
Its why Dallas being in the NFCE has done its best when they can run the ball late in the year.
Kellen wasn't wrong about that approach, just perhaps the way he ran it.
Always up the middle is a tough deal because it allows teams to just converge on middle.
With a full health Gallup on outside that method worked nicely to create long passes and TDs.
Last year was wildly absent guys making those plays though.
And teams just squeezed and squeezed those windows tight.

 

[CTcowboy203]

I think it’s good to look back at what he used to use for a blueprint but the league has evolved even since Mike has ran that system in Green Bay. The cowboys will definitely look different and it will absolutely be west coast heavy and influenced but I’d expect to also see some of what’s worked the last few seasons as well from kellen in certain situations. Also some new wrinkles sprinkled in from whomever the OC and their influence is.

Just in general west offense brings quick short passes and mm typically had a running back in on pass plays for check down purposes. I expect heavy emphasis on just keeping things very simple for dak- which has residual effects on the entire offense. Simple for dak doesn’t mean vanilla it just means routes to keep the ball moving and if it’s not there move on. Saving dak from hero shots.

Protecting dak from himself id wager is a big reason for this shift. One of daks issues imo is his insistence to “prove” he’s on the same level as other mvp quarterbacks - in Doing this he’s tried to put up big gaudy numbers and turn into this primarily pocket passer.

In basketball there’s a saying that you play slow so you can be fast….I expect us to keep things simple but keep a potent attack

 

[john van brocklin]

I did some research last night and tried to see what MM's skilled positions personnel looked like at his time with the Packers:

-Never had a great running back: Ryan Grant, Eddie Lacy, James Starks were all average at best at the position.
-The same can be said about their TE's, outside of Finley, Cooke, a bunch of Jag's.
-Their WR room was Donald Driver/Greg Jennings, then became Jordy Nelson/Randall Cobb/James Jones, where a young Adams replaced Jones late in MM time.

-I believe (opinion) MM is going to tweak his scheme and become more run first oriented. He is going to devise the best way to play to Dak's strengths. He may not had great running backs in GB, cause why would he take the ball out of Rodgers hands. He knows how to use a strong ground attack from his days as a OC with the Saints.

-Front office job now is to find players that fit this scheme. High-end route runners, that get quick separation. If they do decide to become more run first, adding another TE becomes necessary, especially if Shultz departs. Target running backs who are dual threats, I aspect more screens and be more apart of the passing game.

I hope this team learns how to be effective with the screen pass.
It's an important play to help negate the pass rush.
We have been horrible with them.

 

[Gaede]

I hope he does something. Being the 2nd most productive offense behind the Chiefs was unbearable.

Good thing we've still got the QB who led this prolific offense

 

[cald0d30s0]

He had prime Aaron Rodgers

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That's all they needed

 

[Ken]

I did some research last night and tried to see what MM's skilled positions personnel looked like at his time with the Packers:

-Never had a great running back: Ryan Grant, Eddie Lacy, James Starks were all average at best at the position.
-The same can be said about their TE's, outside of Finley, Cooke, a bunch of Jag's.
-Their WR room was Donald Driver/Greg Jennings, then became Jordy Nelson/Randall Cobb/James Jones, where a young Adams replaced Jones late in MM time.

-I believe (opinion) MM is going to tweak his scheme and become more run first oriented. He is going to devise the best way to play to Dak's strengths. He may not had great running backs in GB, cause why would he take the ball out of Rodgers hands. He knows how to use a strong ground attack from his days as a OC with the Saints.

-Front office job now is to find players that fit this scheme. High-end route runners, that get quick separation. If they do decide to become more run first, adding another TE becomes necessary, especially if Shultz departs. Target running backs who are dual threats, I aspect more screens and be more apart of the passing game.

Good post, I was looking at this the last few days as well.

In 2016, Packers had Jordy, Adams and Cobb as their main WRs. I expect us to try and infuse more talent into our WRs, as if that wasn't already obvious...lol


I believe even in GB they tried to get the running game right, they just missed. Eddie Lacy was a stab at it that they just missed on. They also didn't invest in the OL as much as we do so that will also emphasize the investment in the run game.