CFZ MM's West Coast Personnel with the Packers

[quickccc]

Ryan Grant was really good for about 3 years.

Lacy really good for about 2 years.

Starks was never a full time starter.

WR turned RB Ty Montgomery did more than Starks from what I recall.

Finally in McCarthy's final 2 seasons they had dynamo RB Aaron Jones.

After McCarthy departed they added battering ram AJ Dillon. The combo of Jones and Dillon is what Pollard/Zeke should have been the past couple of years but Zeke was not remotely close to the power of Dillon.

Nor was Pollard, under Kellen Moore, was effectively used as a deadly receiving weapon in the passing game as Aaron Jones has been in GB... ...

 

[Risen Star]

Nor was Pollard, under Kellen Moore, was effectively used as a deadly receiving weapon in the passing game as Aaron Jones has been in GB... ...

He wasted a lot of talent on his way to 2nd best in the league.

 

[Kingofholland]

As long as every other passing doesn't feature the sideline curl that's a good start.

 

[DFWJC]

Good post, I was looking at this the last few days as well.

In 2016, Packers had Jordy, Adams and Cobb as their main WRs. I expect us to try and infuse more talent into our WRs, as if that wasn't already obvious...lol


I believe even in GB they tried to get the running game right, they just missed. Eddie Lacy was a stab at it that they just missed on. They also didn't invest in the OL as much as we do so that will also emphasize the investment in the run game.

There were exceptional years, but I generally thought of the packers as not being overloaded with talent.

And btw, just some trivia....none of those guys were 1st rounders
Adams...2nd round
Jordy..2nd round
Cobb...undrafted


We've spent more draft capital on WR in the last few years than Green Bay did in the last 20

 

[JBS]

This year's scapegoat and now McCarthy is set up to be next year's scapegoat. This isn't hard to figure out.

It’s not hard at all. It’s the same cycle for ~30 years. Just wasn’t sure if you thought MM scapegoated Kellen or the Jones’ did.

 

[Risen Star]

It’s not hard at all. It’s the same cycle for ~30 years. Just wasn’t sure if you thought MM scapegoated Kellen or the Jones’ did.

Oh, I think McCarthy knows if he doesn't win big next year he's at serious risk of it being his last in Dallas. He's an offensive guy. If he's going out he wants to go out with full control of the offense.

I get it. I just don't expect anything but regression. Moore routinely overachieved with this talent and now the bum QB has to learn a new offense. Unless they have an out of character aggressive offseason of surrounding him with skill position upgrades I don't see how the offense doesn't regress. More is being asked of Prescott and he's not capable of delivering.

 

[xwalker]

Nor was Pollard, under Kellen Moore, was effectively used as a deadly receiving weapon in the passing game as Aaron Jones has been in GB... ...

Your wording is difficult to understand.

I assume you mean that Pollard was not used as a deadly receiving weapon like Aaron Jones...

 

[quickccc]

Good post, I was looking at this the last few days as well.

In 2016, Packers had Jordy, Adams and Cobb as their main WRs. I expect us to try and infuse more talent into our WRs, as if that wasn't already obvious...lol


I believe even in GB they tried to get the running game right, they just missed. Eddie Lacy was a stab at it that they just missed on. They also didn't invest in the OL as much as we do so that will also emphasize the investment in the run game.

A former 2nd rd pick , Lacy had a great 2013 season - even made 2nd team All pro and NFL offensive rookie of the year

but Eddie Lacy constantly struggled with weight issues, .that probably led to poor conditioning that probably led to the various injury and durability issues
Packers have never again since taken another RB that high in the draft.

 

[Risen Star]

McCarthy may be able to have great success with his offense in Dallas but not in 2023 unless there's a significant talent upgrade in the offseason and we know that isn't happening. The GM is talking about relying on Jalen Tolbert and needing Zeke back for crying out loud.

 

[Ken]

There were exceptional years, but I generally thought of the packers as not being overloaded with talent.

And btw, just some trivia....none of those guys were 1st rounders
Adams...2nd round
Jordy..2nd round
Cobb...undrafted


We've spent more draft capital on WR in the last few years than Green Bay did in the last 20

This is another good point and one that I didn't really understand the value of until McCarthy pointed it out in the last few weeks (can't remember exactly when he did). He mentioned, coming from a "draft and develop program into this one", which I think never really got the credit and emphasis it deserves.

He has shown that this can win a super bowl, this approach that the cowboys do. They did it in GB, which never has been huge players in FA outside of say, Reggie White.

McCarthy may be the perfect man for the job we are trying to complete.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

He had Aaron Rodgers. Rodgers is one of the best ever to play. His smarts and accuracy were incredible. He didn't need a great RB or WRs. He made them great.

Yet this past year he complained that he didn't have very good WRs.

 

[Cowboyny]

Good post, I was looking at this the last few days as well.

In 2016, Packers had Jordy, Adams and Cobb as their main WRs. I expect us to try and infuse more talent into our WRs, as if that wasn't already obvious...lol


I believe even in GB they tried to get the running game right, they just missed. Eddie Lacy was a stab at it that they just missed on. They also didn't invest in the OL as much as we do so that will also emphasize the investment in the run game.

If you have Rodgers, you rather throw the football, understand the lack of elite backs they had during his time.

 

[Cowboyny]

I hope this team learns how to be effective with the screen pass.
It's an important play to help negate the pass rush.
We have been horrible with them.

Totally right, haven't been a good screen team in years, it's something that needs to return.

 

[quickccc]

Yet this past year he complained that he didn't have very good WRs.

Whether Good WRs ..or not , Rodgers is always gonna whine and complain about sumthin' ...

 

[quickccc]

...what i am more anxious to see than quick WR traditional outs and hooks is what McCarthy offense will do with the RBs in both run scheme
and in pass game,..

now admittedly screen pass, RB in pass game , stretch run.. i cannot get excited about Zeke in plays geared and designed to be splash plays
sorry but i have to compare it to the Eddie Lacy days when seeing a lumbering Lacy absorb screen passes.

It pays to see if we will venture into more athletic faster TEs ala Jared Cook, JImmie Graham and Jermichael Finley types McCarthy has had.
TE use will not lessen and falter under MM.

 

[MMObserver]

There were exceptional years, but I generally thought of the packers as not being overloaded with talent.

And btw, just some trivia....none of those guys were 1st rounders
Adams...2nd round
Jordy..2nd round
Cobb...undrafted


We've spent more draft capital on WR in the last few years than Green Bay did in the last 20

Cobb was a second round pick in 2011.

So was Greg Jennings who started at WR on the 2010 Packers Super Bowl team. James Jones was 3rd rounder as was Jermichael Finley.

After 2014 (Adams) Green Bay failed to add any pass catchers at WR or TE and Big Mac's offense suffered as a result, because there was no ground game to compensate for the lack of pass catchers.

 

[DFWJC]

Cobb was a second round pick in 2011.

So was Greg Jennings who started at WR on the 2010 Packers Super Bowl team. James Jones was 3rd rounder as was Jermichael Finley.

After 2014 (Adams) Green Bay failed to add any pass catchers at WR or TE and Big Mac's offense suffered as a result, because there was no ground game to compensate for the lack of pass catchers.

Yeah, I caught that too late. Last player taken in 2nd round

They liked to use 2nd rounders!

 

[Cowboys22]

Please tell me the plan is not to hope Dak can become Aaron Rogers? God help us!

 

[garyv]

I did some research last night and tried to see what MM's skilled positions personnel looked like at his time with the Packers:

-Never had a great running back: Ryan Grant, Eddie Lacy, James Starks were all average at best at the position.
-The same can be said about their TE's, outside of Finley, Cooke, a bunch of Jag's.
-Their WR room was Donald Driver/Greg Jennings, then became Jordy Nelson/Randall Cobb/James Jones, where a young Adams replaced Jones late in MM time.

-I believe (opinion) MM is going to tweak his scheme and become more run first oriented. He is going to devise the best way to play to Dak's strengths. He may not had great running backs in GB, cause why would he take the ball out of Rodgers hands. He knows how to use a strong ground attack from his days as a OC with the Saints.

-Front office job now is to find players that fit this scheme. High-end route runners, that get quick separation. If they do decide to become more run first, adding another TE becomes necessary, especially if Shultz departs. Target running backs who are dual threats, I aspect more screens and be more apart of the passing game.

One thing definite they need to improve the WR core. I look for them to get back in
the Odel Beckham sweepstakes. The main reason you trade no players while basically
a pro-bowl type of WR its just a matter of dollars. In saying this don't snooze to long
because hes not committed to anyone and could end up in Philly, NY or Denver.

 

[Cowboyny]

One thing definite they need to improve the WR core. I look for them to get back in
the Odel Beckham sweepstakes. The main reason you trade no players while basically
a pro-bowl type of WR its just a matter of dollars. In saying this don't snooze to long
because hes not committed to anyone and could end up in Philly, NY or Denver.

Think this is the yr they finally sign a veteran WR who is more expensive then those minimum guys.