Mo Claiborne’s future unclear after Dallas disaster

[perrykemp]

He didn't perform up to his draft slot, but he was far, far from being one of the worst draft picks ever.

I some teams I suspect he would have been cut by the end of 2014. Part of me wonders he only made it to this season and slightly redeemed himself because he plays for one of the most talentless secondaries in the NFL.

 

[KJJ]

So do you think the talk of acquiring someone else's even bigger draft pick disappointment (RG3) should be taken seriously?

It wouldn't cost us a draft pick to acquire RG3 and with the Cowboys searching for a backup QB you have to take the possibility of acquiring him seriously. Remember Jerry brought in Ryan Leaf years ago who was one of the biggest draft busts in the history of the draft.

 

[LandryFan]

I some teams I suspect he would have been cut by the end of 2014. Part of me wonders he only made it to this season and slightly redeemed himself because he plays for one of the most talentless secondaries in the NFL.

I doubt he would have been waived by anyone because he was still playing on his rookie deal. Not a lot to pay if you have any hope at all of him turning it around. He certainly was not worth any where near what the club gave up to get him...that was poor scouting on someone's part.

 

[perrykemp]

I doubt he would have been waived by anyone because he was still playing on his rookie deal. Not a lot to pay if you have any hope at all of him turning it around. He certainly was not worth any where near what the club gave up to get him...that was poor scouting on someone's part.

Maybe. Having said that there are plenty examples of 1st round draft picks cut before they finish their 1st contracts.

Sometimes it comes down to the coach and GM not wanting to stare their big mistake in the face every day and the constant media inquiry into what everybody and their brother at some point realizes is a bust.

 

[KJJ]

The OP didn't say "Franchise" history, he simply said one of the worst draft picks ever, implying he was including all teams. At least, that's the way I interpreted it. As for the Cowboys specifically, I would argue that Shante Carver, Mike Sherrard, and Kevin Brooks were all worse picks. Granted, they weren't picked as high as Mo, but they were first rounders. But like I said, I was responding to worst draft bust in NFL, not Cowboys.

I'm on my phone and only skimmed the OP and the article and never saw the comment you're referring to. Not saying it isn't there but not going to waste time reading the entire article. I just assumed you were referring to the worst picks in Cowboys history where Mo ranks at the very top in my opinion. As for Shante Carver, Mike Sherrard and Kevin Brooks it can be argued they were worse players than Mo (except for Sherrard who got injured) BUT they weren't drafted nearly as high as Mo and the Cowboys didn't give up a second round pick to move up for them. Dwayne Goodrich was worse than Mo but we drafted him in the second round.

The expectations for these players weren't nearly as high as the expectations we had for Mo because of how high we took him and how high he was rated. None of those players you listed graded out as the best player in the draft at their position. There's been a lot of Cowboys draft picks that ended up worse than Mo but they weren't top 10 picks that we traded up for using a premium pick. In all fairness to Mike Sherrard he had a very good rookie season and I believe would have been an excellent receiver for the Cowboys for many years but breaking the same leg twice ruined his Cowboys career.

 

[Tommy]

just shows it is not the players near as much as the scheme and coaching.

Post of the year...

Really? Post of the year? Your not hard to impress.

 

[LandryFan]

I'm on my phone and only skimmed the OP and the article and never saw the comment you're referring to. Not saying it isn't there but not going to waste time reading the entire article. I just assumed you were referring to the worst picks in Cowboys history where Mo ranks at the very top in my opinion. As for Shante Carver, Mike Sherrard and Kevin Brooks it can be argued they were worse players than Mo (except for Sherrard who got injured) BUT they weren't drafted nearly as high as Mo and the Cowboys didn't give up a second round pick to move up for them. Dwayne Goodrich was worse than Mo but we drafted him in the second round.

The expectations for these players weren't nearly as high as the expectations we had for Mo because of how high we took him and how high he was rated. None of those players you listed graded out as the best player in the draft at their position. There's been a lot of Cowboys draft picks that ended up worse than Mo but they weren't top 10 picks that we traded up for using a premium pick. In all fairness to Mike Sherrard he had a very good rookie season and I believe would have been an excellent receiver for the Cowboys for many years but breaking the same leg twice ruined his Cowboys career.

One of the biggest busts in Cowboys history.

Nfl history

My post was in reply to StarBoyz83, and I stated that it could be argued that Mo was a bigger bust because of where he was taken as compared to Carver, et al. Agreed on Sherrard. He could have been very good had he stayed healthy but then again, that's part of the knock on Mo.

 

[KJJ]

My post was in reply to StarBoyz83, and I stated that it could be argued that Mo was a bigger bust because of where he was taken as compared to Carver, et al. Agreed on Sherrard. He could have been very good had he stayed healthy but then again, that's part of the knock on Mo.

You claimed your post was in reply to the "OP." I don't want to speak for Starboyz83 but he was probably referring to the Cowboys draft picks at least that's how I took it. As for Sherrard he put up 41 catches for 744 yards and 5 TD's averaging 18.1 a catch his rookie year on a declining Cowboys team. The difference between his injuries and Mo's is that Sherrard wasn't suffering a bunch of nagging injuries that repeatedly kept him out of practices and games. He broke his leg and then re broke it during rehab forcing the Cowboys to have to release him.

After he left the Cowboys he had a serviceable career check his numbers. In 94 with the Giants he caught 54 passes for 825 yards and 6 TD's. It was probably a blessing that his career ended up the way it did with the Cowboys because had he never got injured the team very likely would have never drafted Micheal Irvin 2 years later. Had Sherrard not been injured I doubt he would have turned out as great as Irvin so his injury turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

 

[LandryFan]

You claimed your post was in reply to the "OP." I don't want to speak for Starboyz83 but he was probably referring to the Cowboys draft picks at least that's how I took it. As for Sherrard he put up 41 catches for 744 yards and 5 TD's averaging 18.1 a catch his rookie year on a declining Cowboys team. The difference between his injuries and Mo's is that Sherrard wasn't suffering a bunch of nagging injuries that repeatedly kept him out of practices and games. He broke his leg and then re broke it during rehab forcing the Cowboys to have to release him.

After he left the Cowboys he had a serviceable career check his numbers. In 94 with the Giants he caught 54 passes for 825 yards and 6 TD's. It was probably a blessing that his career ended up the way it did with the Cowboys because had he never got injured the team very likely would have never drafted Micheal Irvin 2 years later. Had Sherrard not been injured I doubt he would have turned out as great as Irvin so his injury turned out to be a blessing in disguise.

Look, if you want to argue against my post at least have the courtesy to go back and read the posts to back your point. You've already stated that you didn't want to do that, yet you want to jump in and debate with me about something you didn't even bother to read. I did the work for you...PA Cowboy said that Mo was one of the biggest busts in Cowboys history and CowBoyz83 responded to that by saying "NFL history". I then replied to CowBoys83 that he was far form being one of the biggest busts in NFL history...hell, there have probably been 10 bigger busts in the last decade or so (Jamarcus Russell, Blaine Gabbert, and Mike Williams... take your pick, there were two Mike Williams...come immediately to mind).

 

[Plankton]

You don't even consider him one of the worst draft picks in franchise history??? I would put Mo at the very top as the worst draft pick in franchise history based on his 6th overall draft selection and the fact we used a #2 to move up for him. We gave up 2 premium picks for him and got very little in return and now he appears on the way out. He's had an injury plagued career missing games every season and when he's been on the field he's been average at best.

When you rate the worst draft picks whether it be in league history or franchise history you have to base it on how high the player was drafted. The higher the draft pick the higher the expectations. I can't find a higher pick taken by the Cowboys that's been as big a disappointment as Claiborne especially considering he was top rated defensive player in the draft.

Claiborne, while a bust, isn't close to being the worst draft pick in Cowboys history.

Bill Thomas, their first round pick in 1972, retired the trophy. He was drafted as a RB from Boston College, largely to contribute in place of Duane Thomas (likely to play behind Calvin Hill). Thomas touched the ball twice that season on kick returns, and was cut after the season.

A first round pick who contributed absolutely nothing.

 

[KJJ]

Look, if you want to argue against my post at least have the courtesy to go back and read the posts to back your point. You've already stated that you didn't want to do that, yet you want to jump in and debate with me about something you didn't even bother to read. I did the work for you...PA Cowboy said that Mo was one of the biggest busts in Cowboys history and CowBoyz83 responded to that by saying "NFL history". I then replied to CowBoys83 that he was far form being one of the biggest busts in NFL history...hell, there have probably been 10 bigger busts in the last decade or so (Jamarcus Russell, Blaine Gabbert, and Mike Williams... take your pick, there were two Mike Williams...come immediately to mind).

You said you got the comment from the "OP" and the OP was started by RS12. I read his comments and skimmed over the article he posted and never saw any comment saying Mo was the worst draft pick ever. You got that from another post and didn't make that clear so that's on you. When you say "OP" you can't expect someone to read every post in a 5 page thread in an attempt to follow everyone of your discussions to try and decipher what you're talking about. If you want people to follow what you're talking about be clear. I never claimed Mo was one of the biggest busts in NFL history I made it clear I was talking about Cowboys history.

 

[LandryFan]

you can't expect someone to read every post in a 5 page thread in an attempt to follow everyone of your discussions to try and decipher what you're talking about. If you want people to follow what you're talking about be clear. I never claimed Mo was one of the biggest busts in NFL history I made it clear I was talking about Cowboys history.

Yes, I can expect for you (or anyone else, myself included) to read through the posts if you're going to join in the discussion. Otherwise, how the hell could you reply intelligently to the discussion? Had you done that, you would have been able to follow the flow of our posts.

 

[KJJ]

Claiborne, while a bust, isn't close to being the worst draft pick in Cowboys history.

Bill Thomas, their first round pick in 1972, retired the trophy. He was drafted as a RB from Boston College, largely to contribute in place of Duane Thomas (likely to play behind Calvin Hill). Thomas touched the ball twice that season on kick returns, and was cut after the season.

A first round pick who contributed absolutely nothing.

Bill Thomas was the 26th overall pick in 1972 which was the very last pick in the first round that year. How is the last pick in the first round of the draft a bigger bust than a player taken 6th overall that also cost you a second round pick? You don't seem to understand the higher the pick the higher the expectations. Bill Thomas wasn't rated the top RB in 1972 Jeff Kinney was drafted ahead of him but Morris Claiborne was not only rated the top corner in the 2012 draft but the top defensive player. It makes no difference that Bill Thomas contributed absolutely nothing I'm sure not a whole lot was expected of him being the last pick in the first round.

The Cowboys needed a back and saw something in him. They ended up with a better back in Robert Newhouse 9 picks later so Bill Thomas going bust didn't hurt the team. The Cowboys missed on a terrific back in Lydell Michell at #48 of the second round. They could have had Lawrence McCutcheon in the 3rd round. The Cowboys would reach for players and it paid off a lot back in those days but not with that pick.

 

[Plankton]

Bill Thomas was the 26th overall pick in 1972 which was the very last pick in the first round that year. How is the last pick in the first round of the draft a bigger bust than a player taken 6th overall that also cost you a second round pick? You don't seem to understand the higher the pick the higher the expectations. Bill Thomas wasn't rated the top RB in 1972 Jeff Kinney was drafted ahead of him but Morris Claiborne was not only rated the top corner in the 2012 draft but the top defensive player. It makes no difference that Bill Thomas contributed absolutely nothing I'm sure not a whole lot was expected of him being the last pick in the first round.

The Cowboys needed a back and saw something in him. They ended up with a better back in Robert Newhouse 9 picks later so Bill Thomas going bust didn't hurt the team. The Cowboys missed on a terrific back in Lydell Michell at #48 of the second round. They could have had Lawrence McCutcheon in the 3rd round. The Cowboys would reach for players and it paid off a lot back in those days but not with that pick.

You don't seem to understand the concept of not contributing at all.

Thomas touched the ball twice in his Cowboy career, and never carried the ball. He only lasted one season in Dallas.

Claiborne started for the Cowboys for three years.

Even with the added bonus of giving up a second, it's not even close as far as which pick was a bigger bust.

 

[KJJ]

Yes, I can expect for you (or anyone else, myself included) to read through the posts if you're going to join in the discussion. Otherwise, how the hell could you reply intelligently to the discussion? Had you done that, you would have been able to follow the flow of our posts.

There was no need for me or anyone else to sift through 5 pages to respond to the comment you made. You claimed you were replying to the "OP" and that wasn't the case it was your mistake but you're putting the blame on me. LOL

 

[LandryFan]

There was no need for me or anyone else to sift through 5 pages to respond to the comment you made. You claimed you were replying to the "OP" and that wasn't the case it was your mistake but you're putting the blame on me. LOL

Your erroneous post was made before I ever typed the letters "OP". You're just wrong and I'll leave it at that. Bye.

 

[KJJ]

You don't seem to understand the concept of not contributing at all.

Thomas touched the ball twice in his Cowboy career, and never carried the ball. He only lasted one season in Dallas.

Claiborne started for the Cowboys for three years.

Even with the added bonus of giving up a second, it's not even close as far as which pick was a bigger bust.

You don't seem to understand the ramifications of trading up for a player in the top 10 and having them go bust costing you the 6th overall pick and a second round pick. That mistake cost us 2 premium picks resulting in the team still looking for a corner. In trading up for Mo the Cowboys passed on Luke Kuechly, Dontari Poe, Micheal Brockers and Fletcher Cox who've developed into terrific NFL players. Missing on Mo was devastating to a team that desperately needs defensive help. RBs are a dime a dozen the Cowboys ended up with a very good back in Robert Newhouse a few picks after Thomas so him not panning out was no big deal. The team didn't trade up for that mistake costing them a coveted second round pick.

Claiborne started for the Cowboys because they had to start him after what they gave up for him. They're starting 2 average corners which has contributed to a defense that can't make critical stops or force turnovers. The Cowboys have very little talent on defense and Mo going bust forced the team to have to take another corner last year in the first round. They still need a corner with Jones playing safety. It's everyones opinion who were the biggest draft busts in franchise history but Mo tops my list. There's no point in arguing it any further.

 

[KJJ]

Your erroneous post was made before I ever typed the letters "OP". You're just wrong and I'll leave it at that. Bye.

I replied to your comment and you responded back by saying "The OP didn't say "Franchise" history, he simply said one of the worst draft picks ever, implying he was including all teams." When someone refers to the "OP" they're referring to the original post in the thread and that was made by RS12. You weren't being clear and it's silly to be making such a big deal out of it. You shouldn't have mentioned the OP that was a mistake. You should have named the poster or posters you were taking about in your "first reply" and there would have been no confusion.

 

[LandryFan]

I replied to your comment and you responded back by saying "The OP didn't say "Franchise" history, he simply said one of the worst draft picks ever, implying he was including all teams." When someone refers to the "OP" they're referring to the original post in the thread and that was made by RS12. You weren't being clear and it's silly to be making such a big deal out of it. You shouldn't have mentioned the OP that was a mistake. You should have named the poster or posters you were taking about in your "first reply" and there would have been no confusion.

I made this comment to StarBoyz in response to him saying Mo was one of the biggest busts in NFL history: "He didn't perform up to his draft slot, but he was far, far from being one of the worst draft picks ever."

Your first post (which was in reply to my post quoted above) in the discussion was: "You don't even consider him one of the worst draft picks in franchise history???"

Nowhere in my post did I say he wasn't one of the worst picks in franchise history. We weren't talking about the franchise, we were talking the NFL. Had you bothered reading the posts leading up to that (which you stated you weren't inclined to do) we wouldn't be going back and forth with this bs. Anyways, you can have the last word because I'm done with this.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

He had his first year of practice last year and improved significantly. He didn't have the recurring injuries although he did miss a couple games. 14 games is normal.

I don't mind bringing him back to a short deal with decent money.