Mo Clay to Baltimore?* signs with Jets*merged

Etchyboy · Mar 17, 2017

Not to sad to see MR. Wonderlic gone.

MichaelWinicki · Mar 17, 2017

Sydla said:
Not really. They didn't overpay "big time". If Claiborne isn't worth $5MM a year, then Carroll certainly isn't worth the $3.3MM AAV we are paying him.

That really was an ideal contract for the Cowboys to take with Claiborne. One year deal, they can take the $5MM on their cap given the space they will have and it doesn't preclude them from still investing draft picks in the CB position. The upside is huge with Claiborne and the downside is minimal.............

If Claiborne was known as a guy who played a full slate of games a season he's worth the $5 mil.

But as a part-time player he's too unpredictable for that amount of money.

Nightman · Mar 17, 2017

MichaelWinicki said:
That's the problem... Pay the guy $5 mil for a partial slate of games?

No way.

Well top CBs get 15m a year so 5m is good for 5-6 games

MichaelWinicki · Mar 17, 2017

bkight13 said:
Well top CBs get 15m a year so 5m is good for 5-6 games

But the problem is two-fold... #1 is you don't know when he'll play and when he won't. It's a crap shoot. So you're forced to have a good substitute on hand... And if you have a good sub on hand you might as well jettison Claiborne.

Secondly he's been bad to meh for most of his career.... He's no where near being good... He hasn't shown enough "good" over long enough time to merit that moniker.

big dog cowboy · Mar 17, 2017

Sydla said:
That really was an ideal contract for the Cowboys to take with Claiborne. One year deal, they can take the $5MM

$5M for 8 games?

Not in this or any other reality.

Nightman · Mar 17, 2017

MichaelWinicki said:
But the problem is two-fold... #1 is you don't know when he'll play and when he won't. It's a crap shoot. So you're forced to have a good substitute on hand... And if you have a good sub on hand you might as well jettison Claiborne.

Secondly he's been bad to meh for most of his career.... He's no where near being good... He hasn't shown enough "good" over long enough time to merit that moniker.

He really really improved the last couple years.......he did great against Julio Jones in 2015 as a coming out party

DeaconBlues · Mar 17, 2017

Sydla said:
Not really. They didn't overpay "big time". If Claiborne isn't worth $5MM a year, then Carroll certainly isn't worth the $3.3MM AAV we are paying him.

That really was an ideal contract for the Cowboys to take with Claiborne. One year deal, they can take the $5MM on their cap given the space they will have and it doesn't preclude them from still investing draft picks in the CB position. The upside is huge with Claiborne and the downside is minimal.............

You don't pay 5m for a player who, over 5 years, has proved only that he cannot stay on the field for 16 games. The fact that NYJ did speaks volumes to their mismanagement.

DMX690 · Mar 17, 2017

bkight13 said:
He really really improved the last couple years.......he did great against Julio Jones in 2015 as a coming out party

So Mo coming out party was allowing Julio Jones to have 12 rec 165 yards and 2 tds. Yeah he really did a great job.

MichaelWinicki · Mar 17, 2017

bkight13 said:
He really really improved the last couple years.......he did great against Julio Jones in 2015 as a coming out party

Yeah, I think he showed improvement.

But still he's not anywhere near a top corner at this point.

And it seems clear the Cowboys aren't or weren't happy with the ability of the defense to play zone so a number of the culprits were allowed to leave.

Bottom line... I don't have an issue with the Cowboys letting him walk for $5 mil.

MichaelWinicki · Mar 17, 2017

M'Kevon said:
You don't pay 5m for a player who, over 5 years, has proved only that he cannot stay on the field for 16 games. The fact that NYJ did speaks volumes to their mismanagement.

Boy ain't that the truth.

Nightman · Mar 17, 2017

http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...claiborne-best-cowboys-corners-vs-julio-jones

DMX690 said:
So Mo coming out party was allowing Julio Jones to have 12 rec 165 yards and 2 tds. Yeah he really did a great job.

right on cue from the peanut gallery

Mo did his job in the 1st half and JJones exploded in the second half against everyone else

DMX690 · Mar 17, 2017

bkight13 said:
http://sportsday.***BANNED-URL***/d...claiborne-best-cowboys-corners-vs-julio-jones
right on cue from the peanut gallery

Mo did his job in the 1st half and JJones exploded in the second half against everyone else

That's great, but let me ask you something. What does Mo bring to a football team that's going to be hard to replace. Does he offer, intelligence, a desire to fight thought injuries, mental toughness, ability to make a game challenging play when your team needs it. For player who was drafted no 6 overall, he's a Ryan leaf like bust.

CalPolyTechnique · Mar 17, 2017

DMX690 said:
That's great, but let me ask you something. What does Mo bring to a football team that's going to be hard to replace. Does he offer, intelligence, a desire to fight thought injuries, mental toughness, ability to make a game challenging play when your team needs it. For player who was drafted no 6 overall, he's a Ryan leaf like bust.

He does this really cool arm waving motion after a QB airmails a ball like he had something to do with it.

Sydla · Mar 17, 2017

M'Kevon said:
You don't pay 5m for a player who, over 5 years, has proved only that he cannot stay on the field for 16 games. The fact that NYJ did speaks volumes to their mismanagement.

You don't pay 3.3MM for a CB who was one of the worst in football either but we did.

Sydla · Mar 17, 2017

MichaelWinicki said:
That's the problem... Pay the guy $5 mil for a partial slate of games?

No way.

It's worth the risk. We can absorb the cap hit. It's not like we need that 5 million to sign someone else.

Frankly, the difference between Carroll and Claiborne was 1.7MM. Peanuts.

We made the wrong choice.

MichaelWinicki · Mar 17, 2017

Sydla said:
It's worth the risk. We can absorb the cap hit. It's not like we need that 5 million to sign someone else.

Frankly, the difference between Carroll and Claiborne was 1.7MM. Peanuts.

We made the wrong choice.

We'll certainly know if a few months if the choice was right or wrong.

Sydla · Mar 17, 2017

MichaelWinicki said:
We'll certainly know if a few months if the choice was right or wrong.

What will likely happen is Claiborne will get hurt and Carroll will make us wish we had Dwayne Goodrich back.

Nightman · Mar 17, 2017

DMX690 said:
That's great, but let me ask you something. What does Mo bring to a football team that's going to be hard to replace. Does he offer, intelligence, a desire to fight thought injuries, mental toughness, ability to make a game challenging play when your team needs it. For player who was drafted no 6 overall, he's a Ryan leaf like bust.

To even mention Ryan Leaf invalidates your whole argument......peace

Jstopper · Mar 18, 2017

rocyaice said:
Yeah but with Carr you haven't heard him attached to a team. You had a report about Mo that he's basically a Baltimore Raven yet its not official.

*New York jet lol

casmith07 · Mar 18, 2017

casmith07 said:
lol at the Claiborne love here.

quoted for emphasis, lol. you guys have wanted Mo gone since his draft day and now all of a sudden you're rueing him.

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