Mock Draft on ESPN Last night

[xwalker]

good post:

1T: of Brent/Hayden seems likely unless a young guy beats one or both out.
3T is Crawford plus McClain and likely a kid at 3 like Coleman or Whaley if he beats out Coleman who apparently has few fans in the locker room(if Ben Rogers is correct).

and that isn't to say dallas wouldn't grab a michael bennett or mario edwards later in the draft.

Yes, a lot of options.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

They did a Mock Draft last night with Todd McShay and Bill Polian as commentators.

The idea was to have reporters from each teams towns to pick for the teams so it was not McShay or Polian making the picks.

All the First round DBs were wiped out by our pick except for Jalen Collins LSU.

There were also some WRs that went first round that have been climbing that were not thought to be 1st rounders or upper 1st rounders that went before us like Nelson Agholor (sp?) and Devin Smith.

The picks that we might be interested that fell were Kendricks, DT Malcom Brown, Shane Ray (who they talked about the turf toe but did not seem to know or did not discuss his arrest that morning), Jalen Collins and OO.

I thought Todd Archer was going to pick Jalen Collins and I was going to groan but He picked Kendricks.
Now Polian and McShay said that they should have taken Shane Ray (again never discussed his arrest)...I thought if Malcom Brown (even if they have not had visits with him) would be too good to pass on there.

But as I have stated in other threads...I think Kendricks is someone they are very interested in and if the CB and RB (gordon and gurley) are wiped in the first they would take Kendricks.

This method of doing mocks is probably the best case scenario....it is basically what Rick Gosselin used to do, he would get "insider" info from his contacts at each NFL city. Our local ESPN station has done this several times as well and it was very accurate, moreso than just about any of the mocks from the draft sites.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

They did a Mock Draft last night with Todd McShay and Bill Polian as commentators.

The idea was to have reporters from each teams towns to pick for the teams so it was not McShay or Polian making the picks.

All the First round DBs were wiped out by our pick except for Jalen Collins LSU.

There were also some WRs that went first round that have been climbing that were not thought to be 1st rounders or upper 1st rounders that went before us like Nelson Agholor (sp?) and Devin Smith.

The picks that we might be interested that fell were Kendricks, DT Malcom Brown, Shane Ray (who they talked about the turf toe but did not seem to know or did not discuss his arrest that morning), Jalen Collins and OO.

I thought Todd Archer was going to pick Jalen Collins and I was going to groan but He picked Kendricks.
Now Polian and McShay said that they should have taken Shane Ray (again never discussed his arrest)...I thought if Malcom Brown (even if they have not had visits with him) would be too good to pass on there.

But as I have stated in other threads...I think Kendricks is someone they are very interested in and if the CB and RB (gordon and gurley) are wiped in the first they would take Kendricks.

Is there a link to the draft?

 

[texbumthelife]

I don't think they value a pure 1tech run stopper as much as some other teams, but I do think they value the DT position. IMO, they like the players on the roster at DT better than the fans do. They have options with guys that either didn't play last year or didn't play much or were not healthy.

Josh Brent - Sollid run stopper when in shape. Was never in shape last season and only played about 3 games.
T. McClain - Good pass rusher in terms of 1techs. Was never healthy last season.
Ken Bishop - Between Brent and McClain from skill perspective. Not quite as strong as Brent but a better pass rushing option.
Chris Whaley - Basically the same as a draft pick this year after being on IR all of last season. He likely would have been a mid-round pick if healthy at draft time.
Coleman - Talented but goofy.
Jack Crawford - His best game last season was the one where he moved from DE to DT.
Hardy and Mincey have played many snaps at DT in their careers. If the Cowboys draft more DEs, then it's an option to use Hardy or Mincey as pass rushing DTs.
Nick Hayden - He was the starter last year at the 1tech and they won a playoff game so he must have done a few things right. Hopefully some of the other players can beat him out.

Add a healthy Gardner to that equation. If he is healthy, he can rotate inside too for short stints. I forgot all about Whaley though, good call. He might be one to watch in camp along with Gardner.

 

[texbumthelife]

Part of the issue is that if they have a quality second 3tech, then that player would play in the Nickel with Crawford and backup Crawford in the base. The second 3tech type player could end up playing as many snaps as the guy that is the 1tech starter in the base.

If they played 100 snaps on defense, then there would be 200 total snaps between the 2 DT spots
Crawford 80 (80% of the total)
1tech 50 (All snaps in the base, none in the Nickel)
Second 3tech type DT 70 (50 in the Nickel with Crawford and 20 replacing Crawford)

That converts directly to percentage regardless of how many snaps they actually play on defense:
Crawford 80%
1tech in base 50%
Second 3tech type player 70%

I say 3tech type player because sometimes that player is in the 1tech position on the field in the Nickel, but is not playing that same actual technique as the 1tech in the base. Sometimes they actually spread out the DTs and play them both as 3tech in the Nickel.

I understand how it works. However, I don't think it would play out exactly like that. The point of having the 1-tech is to keep guys off your 3-tech and let him get upfield. I sincerely don't believe a second 3 tech sniffs 70% of the snaps. Not a chance. More likely, those snaps are getting split between a platoon. Marinelli likes a rotation.

All of that is pointless though. Once again, you don't draft a backup in the first round unless you just won it all. This team doesn't have that option. They need to grab a difference maker or trade back.

IF they took Brown, however, it would clearly be because they wanted Crawford to split more snaps and saw Brown as an effective pass rusher. I really don't think that needs explanation.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Is there a link to the draft?

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/166716/2015-espn-nfl-nation-mock-draft

 

[CATCH17]

Yes, or some Aaron Donald type not a 325 pound monster.

I wish we had Laroi Glover right now instead of wasting him in that time period he played in for us.


That guy was incredible.

 

[texbumthelife]

I wish we had Laroi Glover right now instead of wasting him in that time period he played in for us.


That guy was incredible.

Sincerely one of the more underrated defensive linemen of his generation. He was absolute beast mode.

 

[jterrell]

This method of doing mocks is probably the best case scenario....it is basically what Rick Gosselin used to do, he would get "insider" info from his contacts at each NFL city. Our local ESPN station has done this several times as well and it was very accurate, moreso than just about any of the mocks from the draft sites.

the problem is they don't always use the best team sources and instead can rely on espn beat writers who may be fairly clueless... see the local dallas espn guys versus the true insiders.

but, yes, short of goose who had real sources with teams it is hard to do much better.

 

[visionary]

They did a Mock Draft last night with Todd McShay and Bill Polian as commentators.

The idea was to have reporters from each teams towns to pick for the teams so it was not McShay or Polian making the picks.

All the First round DBs were wiped out by our pick except for Jalen Collins LSU.

There were also some WRs that went first round that have been climbing that were not thought to be 1st rounders or upper 1st rounders that went before us like Nelson Agholor (sp?) and Devin Smith.

The picks that we might be interested that fell were Kendricks, DT Malcom Brown, Shane Ray (who they talked about the turf toe but did not seem to know or did not discuss his arrest that morning), Jalen Collins and OO.

I thought Todd Archer was going to pick Jalen Collins and I was going to groan but He picked Kendricks.
Now Polian and McShay said that they should have taken Shane Ray (again never discussed his arrest)...I thought if Malcom Brown (even if they have not had visits with him) would be too good to pass on there.

But as I have stated in other threads...I think Kendricks is someone they are very interested in and if the CB and RB (gordon and gurley) are wiped in the first they would take Kendricks.

If we take kendricks and brown is available I will break something

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If we take kendricks and brown is available I will break something

Break your fingers because I don't need someone making tons of posts and threads about how mad they are and how the cowboys suck and so on...I will have enough pain myself to have to deal with others lol.

Not that I am down on Kendricks...I like him and think he can help this team...just like Brown better.

 

[visionary]

Linebackers make this defense go and if they think they can get a Brooks or Uhrlacher in the first round I'm all for it.

we have lee and McClain starting at lb and guys who should be baggjng groceries starting at dl

 

[Alexander]

Add a healthy Gardner to that equation. If he is healthy, he can rotate inside too for short stints. I forgot all about Whaley though, good call. He might be one to watch in camp along with Gardner.

There sure seems to be a lot of confidence that a 7th round choice and an UDFA are going to contribute.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

we have lee and McClain starting at lb and guys who should be baggjng groceries starting at dl

We have Lee and Mclain starting at LB? Lee did not start once last year at LB and has yet to start a full season in his NFL career. McClain did not start all year last year and even when he did start he would come off the field with injuries.

I get what you are saying but sadly our DTs were probably more reliable about staying on the field last year than our LBs minus hitchens.

 

[visionary]

We have Lee and Mclain starting at LB? Lee did not start once last year at LB and has yet to start a full season in his NFL career. McClain did not start all year last year and even when he did start he would come off the field with injuries.

I get what you are saying but sadly our DTs were probably more reliable about staying on the field last year than our LBs minus hitchens.

I'm expecting Lee to be more durable at WLB and this could be a great tandem

Something we cannot say about our DL

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I'm expecting Lee to be more durable at WLB and this could be a great tandem

Something we cannot say about our DL

I was expecting Lee to last more than a day in training camp last year...My expectations were not met.

 

[morasp]

We have Lee and Mclain starting at LB? Lee did not start once last year at LB and has yet to start a full season in his NFL career. McClain did not start all year last year and even when he did start he would come off the field with injuries.

I get what you are saying but sadly our DTs were probably more reliable about staying on the field last year than our LBs minus hitchens.

Exactly, I can't remember the last time we finished the season with our starting LBs.

 

[garyv]

Question about picking Kendricks I've read hes small and would have to play weakside LB for us but I've also
heard this is where the Cowboys are play Sean Lee now so really aren't we more in need of a strongside LB ?

 

[texbumthelife]

There sure seems to be a lot of confidence that a 7th round choice and an UDFA are going to contribute.

Well, I am admittedly not up to speed on Whaley, but Gardner was considered a 2nd or 3rd round choice and was very highly thought of before his injury and then still an early-mid pick before the extent of the injury was known. I do have a lot of confidence he will be a contributor, if he is 100% this season. He would be a perfect SDE in this scheme and depending on how much weight he puts back on, might even be able to slide inside. He has wide hips and thick lower body, so I think he could put on a little more mass down low and give us a handful of reps inside.

 

[Alexander]

Well, I am admittedly not up to speed on Whaley, but Gardner was considered a 2nd or 3rd round choice

By whom?