Moore signed

[NeonNinja]

I like the Moore signing. No clue how it will work out but I'm excited about it and we can use all the help on the oline.

 

[cowboys1985]

No you have it wrong. It's easy to turn over the entire offensive line while filling other holes all in a single offseason. Teams do it all the time. Just ask Green Bay.

Do-able? Yes
Easy? No
Likely? No

And lets not use Green Bay. Their O-line is crap. Rodgers is always one of the top sacked QBs and their running game is as bad as Dallas. Only difference is Rodgers is pretty much the best QB in the league.

 

[Picksix]

No way Livings makes the team with a healthy Arkin.

Maybe, but according to overthecap.com, his base salary for the year is 1.7 million (which I believe is guaranteed). If he were cut, it would leave Dallas with 4.5 million in dead money. For those reasons, I think he's still here for this year.

I could see him on IR, however.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Maybe, but according to overthecap.com, his base salary for the year is 1.7 million (which I believe is guaranteed). If he were cut, it would leave Dallas with 4.5 million in dead money. For those reasons, I think he's still here for this year.

I could see him on IR, however.

Ya, IR. No way he is on the 53 roster with knee problems. It's not like Arkin is stinking it up.

 

[mickswag]

Surprised that no one has said something similar to this guy:

On a serious note: I love the signing. He'll be a great addition to an emerging Leary and Frederick.

 

[honyock]

Maybe, but according to overthecap.com, his base salary for the year is 1.7 million (which I believe is guaranteed). If he were cut, it would leave Dallas with 4.5 million in dead money. For those reasons, I think he's still here for this year.

I could see him on IR, however.

Below is what Galian Beast said in the other thread about the cap hit to release Livings. I haven't checked to see that it's correct (not doubting GB, cap stuff is just always complicated), but if he's correct, cutting Livings would be feasible.

Livings can't be put on IR for his current injury.

Releasing Livings accelerates 2.8 in signing bonus against the cap. If we defer that, it would be 700k this year and 2.1 million next year. If that is the case we save 1 million against the cap this year, and 2 million next year.

 

[Picksix]

Below is what Galian Beast said in the other thread about the cap hit to release Livings. I haven't checked to see that it's correct (not doubting GB, cap stuff is just always complicated), but if he's correct, cutting Livings would be feasible.

He's probably right. My biggest question is whether his salary this year is guaranteed, and if it is, do they pay a guy 1.7 million to not be on their roster. Dead money is one thing, because that's money already spent, but guaranteed salary is another.

Don't really understand why he can't be put on IR.

 

[Galian Beast]

Below is what Galian Beast said in the other thread about the cap hit to release Livings. I haven't checked to see that it's correct (not doubting GB, cap stuff is just always complicated), but if he's correct, cutting Livings would be feasible.

I did not realize that Livings base salary is guaranteed for the year. That adds 1.7 million to the mix. It actually means we would lose 700k for cutting him this year. I think that means we will keep him as a backup.

 

[Galian Beast]

He's probably right. My biggest question is whether his salary this year is guaranteed, and if it is, do they pay a guy 1.7 million to not be on their roster. Dead money is one thing, because that's money already spent, but guaranteed salary is another.

Don't really understand why he can't be put on IR.

He won't be put on IR because he is scheduled to return to from injury in a couple weeks. You can't simply put any injured player on IR. If you put him on IR with a minor injury designator, you still have to release him when he is healthy (which from the time frame discussed) would be before the season starts.

 

[Chappy]

The OL is looking so much better with Moore up front and Frederick.

This is a great signing for us and Moore is VERY good.

 

[Ren]

I'm starting to like the look of this line now it's a hell of a lot better then what we had last year

 

[Chappy]

TBH Moore was the 1 guy when looking at who was left in FA recently that i thought would be an instant starter and make an impact for us.

 

[85Cowboy85]

Surprised that no one has said something similar to this guy:

On a serious note: I love the signing. He'll be a great addition to an emerging Leary and Frederick.

The Mickey Spagnola rule still applies here IMO. The reasons he is available are

1) He is no longer a pro bowl level player. He is an aging veteran on the decline.

2) He allegedly wanted starter money and a starting position (haven't seen the terms of the contract yet, curious as to what the amount is).

3)He wants probably wanted to play for a team that would compete for a playoff spot at this point in his career. Most of these teams do not have an open spot at guard for a declining veteran stop gap.

4)Veterans at that age and position are usually in no hurry to report to training camp.

The Mickey Spagnola rule is not dumb it's common sense. I don't blame him for saying it because every time some player on another team is cut there's a certain segment of the fan base that will clamor for us to sign him based on name recognition alone. There is always a reason why these guys are available and why they are getting paid what they are.

That said sometimes it can still be a good fit. Brandon Moore should help us this year so long as there's still a little left in the tank.

 

[Chappy]

The Mickey Spagnola rule still applies here IMO. The reasons he is available are

1) He is no longer a pro bowl level player. He is an aging veteran on the decline.

2) He allegedly wanted starter money and a starting position (haven't seen the terms of the contract yet, curious as to what the amount is).

3)He wants probably wanted to play for a team that would compete for a playoff spot at this point in his career. Most of these teams do not have an open spot at guard for a declining veteran stop gap.

4)Veterans at that age and position are usually in no hurry to report to training camp.

The Mickey Spagnola rule is not dumb it's common sense. I don't blame him for saying it because every time some player on another team is cut there's a certain segment of the fan base that will clamor for us to sign him based on name recognition alone. There is always a reason why these guys are available and why they are getting paid what they are.

That said sometimes it can still be a good fit. Brandon Moore should help us this year so long as there's still a little left in the tank.

I disagree with a few points here and it strikes me how people always see the glass at half empty than half full.

Moore was very good last year and even though he is 33yo the guy was a Pro Bowler in 2011at 31 years of age and has not lost that much form in 1 season. He will slot straight in and be effective don't worry about that. Moore is also good on the penalty front and hardly gets called for holding etc. He would also be an immediate starter on 90% of the NFL teams offensive lines.

Jets are just tight arses and did not want to pay him. Us getting him on a 1yr deal is great and after the season we can re-evaluate again on his worth.

Murray will thrive running behind this bloke.

 

[Zekeats]

Wow-it's rare that a signing that seems like a perfect fit actually comes to fruition.

This^

 

[CarlAllDay]

Great move!! I wanted this guy in april before the draft, Jerry waited and still landed him!! Great move!

 

[1LoyalCowboyFan]

approve!

Thank you so much for sharing. Super excited!!

 

[adbutcher]

Yes! Lookout, we are finally building a formidable OL!

 

[Zekeats]

Maybe, but according to overthecap.com, his base salary for the year is 1.7 million (which I believe is guaranteed). If he were cut, it would leave Dallas with 4.5 million in dead money. For those reasons, I think he's still here for this year.

I could see him on IR, however.

Buti think dallas could take the whole cap hit for this season rather than have him count on next years cap and that is why he will go andbernywill stay.........bernadeua is in last year and I think it is guaranteed as well

 

[TheSport78]

Why the heck would we keep Livings as a backup? He brings no flexibility on Sundays, and oh, he's injury prone and mediocre.