News: Moore: Will Cowboys retain Brandon Carr? They will if this happens ...

[CCBoy]

Moore: Will Cowboys retain Brandon Carr? They will if this happens ...

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Question: There was some buzz after the GB playoff loss that Carr was on his way back to being the corner the Cowboys expected when they signed him. Based on his play last season, I guess that was an aberration. So now, we now know what he is, a mediocre player that is overpaid. Do you keep him? Or take a shot at bringing in someone else who could be better?

David Moore: Carr is a solid corner. I'd argue he's more than a mediocre player, but no one can argue that his pay exceeds his production. Carr is dependable. He doesn't miss games. But he also hasn't intercepted a pass in more than two seasons. In my mind, he's a second corner who's being paid like a lead corner, which happens when you have to jump into the free agent market to upgrade a position. The Cowboys tried to get Carr to take a pay cut last year and he balked. He had leverage. I believe that leverage is gone. I believe if he agrees to take a pay cut this season, he'll be back. If not, the Cowboys will move on...

 

[Bullflop]

I think Moore is on target here. He is likely to be approached by the FO with an offer to take less or depart.

This isn't anything new, since he refused to accept it in the past. If he does so once again, he'll be leaving.

 

[Galian Beast]

I think the paycut he would have to take would be much more significant this year than last year. I don't see him doing it.

I'm talking about like 2 to 2.5 million.

Only reason I'd even agree to it would be to focus efforts elsewhere. I want as few complete holes going into free agency and the draft as I can get.

 

[visionary]

A CB who has not had a single interception in 2 seasons and whose claim to fame is that he shows up for work is not a #2 CB

 

[Chuck 54]

They will offer 5-6 million. He's a starting CB. The only way they can offer him an even larger cut is to let him test the market first and hope no one offers him starter's pay.

 

[Stash]

I think the paycut he would have to take would be much more significant this year than last year. I don't see him doing it.

I'm talking about like 2 to 2.5 million.

Are those numbers the amount of a cut he would be taking or what he'd be getting paid? They seem like too little of a paycut and too little a salary for him to accept.

Only reason I'd even agree to it would be to focus efforts elsewhere. I want as few complete holes going into free agency and the draft as I can get.

I agree with you here. Much like the reason I want them to bring Greg Hardy back, I don't want to see both Carr and Claiborne leave during the same year and essentially force us to go after another cornerback. Carr is not great, but he's reliable and he's not a huge liability. If I can work out an extension that's mutually beneficial, I would keep him around. Unlike Claiborne, you can count on him being available.

 

[CashMan]

I think Moore is on target here. He is likely to be approached by the FO with an offer to take less or depart.

This isn't anything new, since he refused to accept it in the past. If he does so once again, he'll be leaving.

How does he win? If he says no, and they keep him, he wins. If he says no, and they cut him, he probably will go someone and get a little guaranteed money and a short term contract, he wins.

 

[Teague31]

A CB who has not had a single interception in 2 seasons and whose claim to fame is that he shows up for work is not a #2 CB

Exactly. All this "solid" corner talk is absolute BS. He sucks

 

[bsheeern]

A CB who has not had a single interception in 2 seasons and whose claim to fame is that he shows up for work is not a #2 CB

Well here he is our #1 CB so.......

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

So is a #1 cornerbacks quality based on how many INT's he gets? Because Jonathan Joseph had 1 interception last season. Malcolm Butler had 2. Richard Sherman had 2....Pat Peterson had 2........now I'm not confusing Carr with any of these guys.....but I just see the consistent trend of how many picks Carr has had in order to determine he's a terrible corner. There's a little bit more to it. Brandon Carr is more of the norm in this league at corner then he is a Jacque Reeves. I think the minute we realize how good or bad corner is in this league the more realistic we'll be about finding one.

Carr either needs to be on another or team or at a pay cut next season. That's clear. But let's also be clear that no matter who you replace him with that person is going to be as good/or bad as Carr was last season.

 

[Galian Beast]

Are those numbers the amount of a cut he would be taking or what he'd be getting paid? They seem like too little of a paycut and too little a salary for him to accept.



I agree with you here. Much like the reason I want them to bring Greg Hardy back, I don't want to see both Carr and Claiborne leave during the same year and essentially force us to go after another cornerback. Carr is not great, but he's reliable and he's not a huge liability. If I can work out an extension that's mutually beneficial, I would keep him around. Unlike Claiborne, you can count on him being available.

That would be his salary, and it might be too low, but I think it is on the level with what his abilities have earned compared to other corners out there. Will he take it? Probably not, but that is all I would offer.

I want to bring back Hardy and McClain. I don't want more holes on defense. Especially if we can patch it with guys that know the system for a year.

 

[Stash]

That would be his salary, and it might be too low, but I think it is on the level with what his abilities have earned compared to other corners out there. Will he take it? Probably not, but that is all I would offer.

I would offer him $5 million per year on a two-year deal. It's more than I want to spend, but it's probably close to what someone else would pay him too. And the plus is that he wouldn't have to move again. In retrospect, that contract - and the restructure on top of it - is just so bad.

I want to bring back Hardy and McClain. I don't want more holes on defense. Especially if we can patch it with guys that know the system for a year.

Agreed. That's a big reason why I'd bring Carr back at all.

 

[Vinnie2u]

Carr's claim to fame is being posterized by OBJ...

 

[Longboysfan]

I would offer him $5 million per year on a two-year deal. It's more than I want to spend, but it's probably close to what someone else would pay him too. And the plus is that he wouldn't have to move again. In retrospect, that contract - and the restructure on top of it - is just so bad.



Agreed. That's a big reason why I'd bring Carr back at all.

Me - on restructure. Carr already hit big pay day and signing bonus.
$4 first year / $4.25 second year.

 

[CCBoy]

Hey guys, at the level of play...even for Carr, one gets paid. That's doing business in the big city. He is a very good group type of player. He is at least a functional starter/depth talent.

I also wouldn't be too quick to pass up a chance to retain Claiborne as well. He is a veteran, even with injury in his past, but is familiar with the players and system for Dallas. Look, that's a plus. And a new man doesn't have to be brought in. Add one more pretty good defensive back to this, either in free agency or the draft, and the secondary has evolved even more. Jones will be getting better.

Then one can move things around, and hit the defensive line or even a top notched WR and RB.

Reliability just has to be added to a backup role for QB.

 

[mahoneybill]

They will offer 5-6 million. He's a starting CB. The only way they can offer him an even larger cut is to let him test the market first and hope no one offers him starter's pay.

Agree. Then we may get a more friendly deal.

 

[Galian Beast]

I would offer him $5 million per year on a two-year deal. It's more than I want to spend, but it's probably close to what someone else would pay him too. And the plus is that he wouldn't have to move again. In retrospect, that contract - and the restructure on top of it - is just so bad.



Agreed. That's a big reason why I'd bring Carr back at all.

I couldn't offer him 5 and I don't think he will get that on the market. He hasn't had an interception in 2 years and is well known for getting beat bad, especially that ODB play. I know that isn't all that they will measure him by, but that is the first impression anyone has of him.

Ladarius Webb got 5.4 million and Brandon Browner only got 5 million.

Orlando Scandrick got 3.8 million a year from us. DeAngelo Hall only got 4.25 million. Carr is about to turn 30 and is a pretty slow corner with little upside.

 

[Idgit]

Moore's right here. Carr's a second CB who's getting paid like a first. But we don't want to be replacing two starting CBs in the offseason. That just means overpaying for somebody else--two somebodies--and hoping you get both right.

Either Carr takes his cut (and I believe he will) or we take a bigger risk and try to find an accommodation for Claiborn, which is riskier.

 

[Stash]

I couldn't offer him 5 and I don't think he will get that on the market. He hasn't had an interception in 2 years and is well known for getting beat bad, especially that ODB play. I know that isn't all that they will measure him by, but that is the first impression anyone has of him.

Ladarius Webb got 5.4 million and Brandon Browner only got 5 million.

Orlando Scandrick got 3.8 million a year from us. DeAngelo Hall only got 4.25 million. Carr is about to turn 30 and is a pretty slow corner with little upside.

All true, but almost $5 million coming from us in terms of signing and restructure bonus money anyway. Like I said, a really bad contract for us. If we cut him, we end up with over $7 million in dead money anyway. I'd rather at least have the player.

It's not a good situation any way you slice it.

 

[IrishAnto]

A CB who has not had a single interception in 2 seasons and whose claim to fame is that he shows up for work is not a #2 CB

On this team he is.

The alternative is somebody who doesn't get any ints and spends a significant amount of time injured.