More and more support for Jerry Jones

[Chuck 54]

Clearly too much jumping to conclusions....too many insults of the owner and gm, Jerry Jones, because fans think they know what's better for the team than the owner. I really don't understand fans thinking JJ would hire someone comfortable just because he knows them...the man wants to win.

More and more, it's looking like JJ is being very thorough and that he has a plan, probably put together in discussion with Parcells and others, for what he wants the next staff to look like, where he wants experience and where he wants youth.

I think it also sounds like Norv Turner has a very well-thought out plan for what he intends to do and what he demands in order to take a final journey into the HC-ing world of the NFL. If Turner is hired, he may succeed or he may fail, just as Parcells failed to meet his goals, but it won't be because he wasn't totally committed this time nor because he didn't have a very clear plan of what he wants and needs.

It may very well be Turner, Rivera, and Garrett. If Rivera doesn't come on board, it may end up being Phillips, Garrett, and Bowles,etc. Singletary and Rivera as HC may still end up as possibilities, but I'm sort of doubting it.

NO one knows what's going to happen, and certainly no one knows whether it will turn out great or poorly....that first year with JJ and Jimmy sure had Dallas fans everywhere calling it a joke, but it turned out okay.

I just think Jerry Jones deserves a little more credit and benefit of the doubt than what he's being shown. He made some real bonehead decisions for a few years while learning on the job, but he's been doing this for a long time now, and he has learned a thing or two, and most importantly for me, the man loves his Cowboys and wants to win and will do whatever he thinks will make that happen.

 

[BulletBob]

Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Let's just run around like a bunch of dizzy schoolgirls and keep screaming that the man is an idiot.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I just laugh at this forum because people assume Jerry is a moron. They assume he is such a control freak that he won't hire a real coach and then he hires Bill Parcells.

Now, everyone thinks Jerry is sold on Norv Turner. Please, Jerry is not a moron. He wasn't going to make Jason Garrett head coach nor is he going to make Turner his head coach if he can help it. He wants the best. He will exhaust his other options aka Ron Rivera before he settles on Turner. But I just have to laugh when people genuinely think Turner is the leading candidate. If that was the case, he would have been hired already. Jerry is waiting on Ron Rivera. It's as simple as that. And unless Manning lights up the Bears defense, Rivera will be our coach.

Jerry just plays his cards right. That's why he didn't declare a strong interest in Rivera. Jerry always plays his cards this way. He is low key and gives no indication that he will hire someone and then he just does it. He did with Parcells, he did with TO and now he is going to do with Rivera. He loves to do the bait and switch by playing up a guy he really doesn't want (Norv Turner) and keeps silent about the guy he likes (Rivera) Classic Jerry Jones at his finest! It's only a matter of time

 

[JackMagist]

Now that Jerry's knee jerk reaction time has passed I too am convinced that he has settled back and is taking the right approach in hiring his next coach. I suspect that Stephen Jones has had a bigger influence on the process this time around and is learning how to keep his impetuous Pop in line; maybe he learned a few things from Parcells too.

As for the comments about Norv; I think that the time as passed that would have given him the job. If he was going to get it I think he would already be hired...that is my hope at least. But if he does get the job I hope you are right about him being ready this time around.

 

[BulletBob]

Now that Jerry's knee jerk reaction time has passed I too am convinced that he has settled back and is taking the right approach in hiring his next coach. I suspect that Stephen Jones has had a bigger influence on the process this time around and is learning how to keep his impetuous Pop in line; maybe he learned a few things from Parcells too.

Why do you have to search for answers and causes behind a seemingly organized, methodical process?

Could it be that Jerry really isn't the village idiot that so many make him out to be?

Yes, Jerry has made a few mistakes along the way (some of them doozies). Never in my life have I met a business owner who has gotten to their current position in life without making any major mistakes and experiencing a great deal of failure.

The great ones learn from their experience and move on, knowing with certainty that the path will never ever be mistake-free.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Jerry will do everything he thinks will help the Cowboys win...as Wayne posted.

I do not think anyone questions that Wayne.

The problem is he has proven in the past that what he thinks is not always conducive to winning even if that is his goal.

See J.Galloway, holding no to aging players, drafting for backups instead of potential starters, not drafting and grooming QBs or WRs, RBs and other positions to take over for aging vets. Drafting players way to high for need.

There are many reasons or examples of him doing what he thinks is the best to help the cowboys win and the result actually being the opposite.

 

[aikemirv]

Jerry is a smart buisnessman and he knows he has to fill 80,000 seats in 2 years. he knows this hire has to appear that he has done his due diligence in finding the right coach.

I am not one who believes that the response of the fanbase has no effect on Jerry's decision. You know he had to hear about the response of the fan base towards Norv. He would have had a tough sell and if Norv failed he hurts his bottom line.

If you think this factor had no effect on his decision to wait, I respect that but I believe it very well could have had an effect and we may still end up with Norv and Jerry is just giving the impression that he has covered all available options.

If Norv is hired anyway after the interview of Singletary and Rivera I will believe this scenario to be true.

 

[superpunk]

Why do you have to search for answers and causes behind a seemingly organized, methodical process?

Could it be that Jerry really isn't the village idiot that so many make him out to be?

Yes, Jerry has made a few mistakes along the way (some of them doozies). Never in my life have I met a business owner who has gotten to their current position in life without making any major mistakes and experiencing a great deal of failure.

The great ones learn from their experience and move on, knowing with certainty that the path will never ever be mistake-free.

Bill Parcells ahs certainly been a turning point for Jerry. If nothing else, he was a peer that taught Jerry a thing or two - all the great ones are ready to learn how to be greater. Jerry went from being that young wipper-snapper-knowitall (owner-wise) to now being a patient guy, maybe more football savvy. Bill and Stephen probably aren't THE cause of that, but they are part of it. Jerry's experience no doubt is paying just as large a part.

 

[DipChit]

and most importantly for me, the man loves his Cowboys and wants to win and will do whatever he thinks will make that happen.

Which would've included canning his GM a number of times over the last 10 years had he actually had any to can.

 

[EPL0c0]

loves his Cowboys and wants to win and will do whatever he thinks will make that happen.

Gotta give Jerry credit for that. He sincerely does love the team. He and Al Davis may not always make the right decisions, but they do it for the team.

Unlike say Dannyboy over in DC who does it strictly for the money

 

[JackMagist]

Why do you have to search for answers and causes behind a seemingly organized, methodical process?

Could it be that Jerry really isn't the village idiot that so many make him out to be?

All of the negative feelings about Jerry and his decision making process in hiring the the three coaches previous to Parcells have given us little reason to believe in him. His own track record begs that we look for reasons for his seemingly more reasoned approach this time. Something is different this time (or appears to be) so this is my guess as to what that difference is.

I hope Jerry himself has learned and maybe he has but this is my guess as to what is different this time around. You can go ahead and pretent that Jerry has no history of bad decisions if you like but I have seen and still remember those bad decisions.

 

[wileedog]

See J.Galloway, holding no to aging players, drafting for backups instead of potential starters, not drafting and grooming QBs or WRs, RBs and other positions to take over for aging vets. Drafting players way to high for need.

There are many reasons or examples of him doing what he thinks is the best to help the cowboys win and the result actually being the opposite.

As BP mentions here Jerry's history leaves him open to the criticism. And if he hires Norv Turner on Monday I don't care if he interviewed the entire state of Texas he will still deserve more.

What's more ironic is everyone jumping all over people for 'drawing conclusions' when there is still no name on the dotted line. Isn't the gloating today just as premature as the criticism earlier in the week?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

As BP mentions here Jerry's history leaves him open to the criticism. And if he hires Norv Turner on Monday I don't care if he interviewed the entire state of Texas he will still deserve more.

What's more ironic is everyone jumping all over people for 'drawing conclusions' when there is still no name on the dotted line. Isn't the gloating today just as premature as the criticism earlier in the week?

Good points all the way around.

And you are right about gloating today vs criticism earlier in the week.

We have yet to see the end result.

It may be good, it may not be good.

We just don't know yet.

Furthermore we will have to wait until the season plays out for the results.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Jerry will do everything he thinks will help the Cowboys win...as Wayne posted.

I do not think anyone questions that Wayne.

The problem is he has proven in the past that what he thinks is not always conducive to winning even if that is his goal.

See J.Galloway, holding no to aging players, drafting for backups instead of potential starters, not drafting and grooming QBs or WRs, RBs and other positions to take over for aging vets. Drafting players way to high for need.

There are many reasons or examples of him doing what he thinks is the best to help the cowboys win and the result actually being the opposite.

Brain

I was on the old board criticizing Jerry along with you. There is no denying his past mistakes. But how manyowners or people in general will openly admit their past mistakes. However, Jerry has given every indication he is not his previous self. It's not his fault that he paid top dollar to attract the most respected coach in football and allow him to make the personell decisions. It's not Jerry fault that we didn't draft a QB, that was Parcells fault entirely. Do you really think Jerry was cool with making Vinny Testaverde their starter. He just let Parcells have his say. Sure, you can blame Jerry for giving too much control to Parcells but then he was criticized in the past for interfering.

I do think there was a time in which Jerry's arrogance clouded his reasoning. However, I think he has learned humility and is more cautious in making decisions. I think Jerry has been very reasonable if anything. In fact, you could argue he was too polite by not forcing Parcells to give him an answer earlier.

I don't think it's fair to accuse Jerry of his old criticisms. Contrary to what people believe, Jerry doesn't want Norv Turner because he can control him. The reality is that not many quality coaches are available at this time. That's why he is waiting to try and hire Ron Rivera before making Norv or anyone else a head coach. The old Jerry would have just hired Norv Turner or Jason Garrett as the head coach and then pulled an Al Davis. The fact that he is waiting for Rivera shows he is a different man.

 

[wileedog]

However, Jerry has given every indication he is not his previous self.

In the last couple of days. A week ago he was giving every signal that he was back to his old self, and that is what people reacted to.

It's not Jerry fault that we didn't draft a QB, that was Parcells fault entirely.

Do the names Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson and Drew Henson ring a bell?

Contrary to what people believe, Jerry doesn't want Norv Turner because he can control him.

And we know this how?

 

[mr.jameswoods]

In the last couple of days. A week ago he was giving every signal that he was back to his old self, and that is what people reacted to.

Really in what way? The reality is there are not many better coaching prospects available. I'm not thrilled with Norv Turner but what other options does he have at this time? If he was his old self, one of these two would have already been hired as head coach. Do you really think it's a coincidence that he is waiting to interview Ron Rivera?

Do the names Quincy Carter, Chad Hutchinson and Drew Henson ring a bell?

Carter and Hutchinson were brought here before Parcells. The "old Jerry" qualifies as pre-Parcells. Jerry wasn't resting his future on Henson. He hardly gave up anything for him. So you are assuming it was Jerry's idea to start Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe?

And we know this how?

Because Turner is quite frankly one of the better prospects available as sad as that sounds. Cameron, and Whisenhunt are gone. If you want to criticize Jerry, criticize him for being too lenient with Parcells and allowing a month to make his decision. And again, I'm sure Jerry want to do that but you trying pushing around a stubborn HOF like Parcells. If he did that, he risked upsetting him and then pushing him out. For him to have any chance of keeping Parcells, he had to let him have his way.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Jerry will do everything he thinks will help the Cowboys win...as Wayne posted.

I do not think anyone questions that Wayne.

The problem is he has proven in the past that what he thinks is not always conducive to winning even if that is his goal.

See J.Galloway, holding no to aging players, drafting for backups instead of potential starters, not drafting and grooming QBs or WRs, RBs and other positions to take over for aging vets. Drafting players way to high for need.

There are many reasons or examples of him doing what he thinks is the best to help the cowboys win and the result actually being the opposite.

"Raping and Pillaging is all part of Pirating!"

Yellow Beard was a great movie.

 

[Doomsday101]

I can only speak for myself but I believed Parcells and Jones when they said personnel moves were done in a group fashion. I think if you went behind the scenes on many clubs you would find that there is plenty of input coming from the GM and HC as well as others when contemplating brining in a player. I have never felt it was a 1 man job.

 

[wileedog]

If he was his old self, one of these two would have already been hired as head coach.

Again, last week 9 out of every 10 journalists was reporting that was exactly what was going to happen. Given Jerry's past, do you really blame people for reacting to that?

Do you really think it's a coincidence that he is waiting to interview Ron Rivera?

I think Jerry got worried about the backlash of immediately hiring Norv and the perception it would create, so he opened up the field.

I personally don't think Rivera was on his radar this time last week, but that's just speculation on my part, admittedly.

Carter and Hutchinson were brought here before Parcells. The "old Jerry" qualifies as pre-Parcells. Jerry wasn't resting his future on Henson. He hardly gave up anything for him. So you are assuming it was Jerry's idea to start Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe?

When Tony Romo was made starter Jerry Jones was quoted as saying that if it didn't work out he was going to have to change his strategy of not looking for a QB in the high first round. There is no clearer comment on JERRY'S approach the past 6 or 7 seven years to finding Troy's replacement.

Remember too who was most disappointed when Bledsoe was benched. Hint: It wasn't Parcells.

Bill was hamstrung by the QB position from the day he walked in the door and was given Quincy Carter and told by Jerry that they weren't going to use a high pick on a QB. Vinny and Bledsoe were the bandaids Bill could scrape up to compensate for that situation.

You can blame Bill for a lot of things, but the QB situation here for 4+ years in Dallas is 100% on Jerry Jones. He's just lucky as all heck that Payton found Romo and Bill helped develop him properly.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

"Raping and Pillaging is all part of Pirating!"

Yellow Beard was a great movie.

Yes...I Love it.

I think many that love the Monty Python movies may have never seen yellow beard as it was not officially listed as Monty Python movie, although a few from Monty Python did the movie.