More and more support for Jerry Jones

[ilovejerry]

I just got off the phone with Jerry. I have good news and bad news for you.

I will start with the bad.

Although you may love Jerry...Jerry tells me he does not love you.

Now the Good.

Although he does not love you, he did say that if you paid to get advertising or luxury suits in the new Stadium...or even just donate some money for the new stadium...he would Like you, not love, but Like you.

Oh he also said before hanging up...He would also like you if you were a very good plastic surgeon who would do his face lifts for free or at a great discount.

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Thats funny Because " I did just get off the phone with Jerry " and he told me to tell those numbskull's on message boards,( that's his quote not mine I like you guys) Just to keep on typing and mentioning me and the Cowboys and speculate and buy jerseys, and make sure you stay by the T.V.

Have fun gentleman.....

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I think Norv does want control hell he is going to deal with TO and Jones better give him some authority if Norv is to control the situation but the same could be said for any of the guys up for the job. I would also add Jones did not run Bill out of town he wanted him to stay on which tells me that Jones is not looking to run rough shot over these candidates heck Jerry did not have to redo Parcells contract last year if Jerry was so intent on getting his hands on things again. I expect business to continue as it has the last 4 years with the HC, Jones and the scouting department working together.

Parcells is a different animal.

He has skins on the wall and is a sure fire HOF.

Jones knew that if he was to work with bill he had to pull back.

Norv and the others do not have the history, resume and overall respect that Bill had.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Thats funny Because " I did just get off the phone with Jerry " and he told me to tell those numbskull's on message boards,( that's his quote not mine I like you guys) Just to keep on typing and mentioning me and the Cowboys and speculate and buy jerseys, and make sure you stay by the T.V.

Have fun gentleman.....

I think you are making that up.

Last time I talked to him he said you had called once but he would never talk to you again. He says your breath smelled so bad he could smell it over the phone.

He also mentioned that every few minutes you would start singing...We're off to see the Wizard, the wonder wizard of oz. He said he never did figure out what that meant.

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[Angus]

Now that Jerry's knee jerk reaction time has passed I too am convinced that he has settled back and is taking the right approach in hiring his next coach. I suspect that Stephen Jones has had a bigger influence on the process this time around and is learning how to keep his impetuous Pop in line; maybe he learned a few things from Parcells too.

As for the comments about Norv; I think that the time as passed that would have given him the job. If he was going to get it I think he would already be hired...that is my hope at least. But if he does get the job I hope you are right about him being ready this time around.

I hope and believe you are right about the younger Jones.

 

[Hunter71]

The Dark Ages for me were Switzer-Gailey-Campo...

I wish not to revisit them with a coach who's reputation is to look "lost" on the sidelines late in games...

No thanks...

 

[Doomsday101]

Parcells is a different animal.

He has skins on the wall and is a sure fire HOF.

Jones knew that if he was to work with bill he had to pull back.

Norv and the others do not have the history, resume and overall respect that Bill had.

That is a bit unfair to say how Jones views these candidates. As I said I expect Jones to work with the HC just as he worked with Parcells and I do think Jerry learned from past mistakes.

 

[cowboyed]

Jerry will do everything he thinks will help the Cowboys win...as Wayne posted.

I do not think anyone questions that Wayne.

The problem is he has proven in the past that what he thinks is not always conducive to winning even if that is his goal.

See J.Galloway, holding no to aging players, drafting for backups instead of potential starters, not drafting and grooming QBs or WRs, RBs and other positions to take over for aging vets. Drafting players way to high for need.

There are many reasons or examples of him doing what he thinks is the best to help the cowboys win and the result actually being the opposite.

Your criticism about player selection or retention is valid but the mistakes Jones makes from time to time are common and pandemic in the league. No team is acquistion mistake free.

 

[BulletBob]

Well regardless of whether he does the "right thing" with this hire or not it doesnt change the fact that only the Lions have gone longer without a playoff victory than we have at the moment.

And the one consistent throughout that drought is JJ. That needs to end. Whether JJ has everything to do with it or nothing to do with it.

Good point. Maybe you ought to rethink your moniker.

 

[Hunter71]

If he did learn from past mistakes, why is he serious about a candidate who has the reputation for not garnering any respect from his players?...

 

[Doomsday101]

If he did learn from past mistakes, why is he serious about a candidate who has the reputation for not garnering any respect from his players?...

Some of his former players and former boss think differently about his ability to be a HC. Why is a fans opinion any better?

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Your criticism about player selection or retention is valid but the mistakes Jones makes from time to time are common and pandemic in the league. No team is acquistion mistake free.

How many team owners traded two first round picks for a player that never made a pro-bowl except for once as an alternate?

It may have happened to other owners but that one is hard to overlook.

 

[Hunter71]

Some of his former players and former boss think differently about his ability to be a HC. Why is a fans opinion any better?

It's not...

But clearly events have changed since the weekend...

What do you chalk that up to?...

 

[Cochese]

Jones can still screw this up, lets not get premature on our "Pat Jones on the back" threads.

 

[VA Cowboy]

too many insults of the owner and gm, Jerry Jones, because fans think they know what's better for the team than the owner. I really don't understand fans thinking JJ would hire someone comfortable just because he knows them...the man wants to win.

Jerry brings most of the criticisim on himself.

And, it's not like Jones never hires a HC he's comfortable with and can control. I guess you don't remember the Switzer/Gailey/Campo years?

I fully agree that Jerry really wants to win. But he wasn't totally satisfied with winning back-to-back Super Bowls because someone other than Jerry was getting most of the credit. That's the main reason Jerry took over full control of personnel and brought in HC's no one else wanted who were all just too happy to be offered an NFL gig that they didn't care if they didn't have any authority or control.

BP was only brought in once Jerry became desperate.

Now we'll see if he hires another dominant personality as HC and gives him the same power or if he reels the reins back in and reverts back to his old form. It's not like he hasn't done it before.

 

[Doomsday101]

It's not...

But clearly events have changed since the weekend...

What do you chalk that up to?...

I think Jerry is taking his time and giving this some real thought. It seems Jerry is in no rush to name the HC at this point and has said he will do so after the SB. I try not to spend much time reading things into what people say or do all any of us know as fact is Jerry will name the HC after the SB

 

[Hunter71]

Good points VA...

These were my initial thoughts with the move to Turner so quickly...

JJ probably thought that he could do it just as well with a "puppet" like Turner versus a legitimate HC like a Parcells...

Maybe, just maybe, the mounting criticism and perhaps a few people, got to JJ and told him to really reevaluate his thought process here...

 

[Hunter71]

I think Jerry is taking his time and giving this some real thought. It seems Jerry is in no rush to name the HC at this point and has said he will do so after the SB. I try not to spend much time reading things into what people say or do all any of us know as fact is Jerry will name the HC after the SB

You see, Doomsday...

I'm a loser and that's what I do best...Read into things...And, sadly, my wife would agree with my statement...

I just look at the events and how things are playing out...

We've gone from a decision being made by yesterday, to now being delayed until after the SB...

I think JJ was in a rush to hire but the criticism of the hire, plus more dialogue with people in the league, may have precluded him from pulling the trigger...

IF JJ felt 100% comfortable with Norv, this would be a done deal...

NO doubt about it...

Hell, even Aikman told JJ to hire him...

But JJ is NOT comfortable now...

 

[mr.jameswoods]

How many team owners traded two first round picks for a player that never made a pro-bowl except for once as an alternate?

It may have happened to other owners but that one is hard to overlook.

Let's remember why the trade was made. When Alvin Harper left, the team didn't have a reputable second receiver. Jerry ignored the position for years gambling on guys like Billy Davis. Teams would shut down Irvin by double and triple teaming him and then taking their chances with our second WR. We also lacked a vertical game because none of our receivers including an aged Michael Irvin could go deep so our passing game was very limited.

When we lost Irvin, Jerry decided not to make the same mistake by trying to acquire another solid WR alongside Rocket. Galloway was considered the best big play WR in the league at the time despite not making a pro bowl. Part of that reason was he played for the Seahawks and he never had a great QB to throw to him.

Sure, it was a big risk but remember, it was Galloways injuries not necessarily his play that made him such a big bust here. Also, there were not many receivers with the type of speed that Galloway possessed at the time. I feel like in todays NFL, there are lot of fast receivers but at the time, Galloway was unique. So while, he may not have technically made any Pro Bowls, he possessed the type of speed and deep play that was unique at the time.

I remember that when the trade was made, people were excited and thought we could really stretch a defense by having two big play receivers on offense. It's just unfortunate that Galloway couldn't stay healthy. Still I can't really fault Jerry for trying. Had he not made the trade, it's likely fans would have been mad at him for not having another quality WR aside from Rocket.

My biggest problem with Jerry was allowing Dave Campo to coach the team for 3 years.

 

[Doomsday101]

You see, Doomsday...

I'm a loser and that's what I do best...Read into things...And, sadly, my wife would agree with my statement...

I just look at the events and how things are playing out...

We've gone from a decision being made by yesterday, to now being delayed until after the SB...

I think JJ was in a rush to hire but the criticism of the hire, plus more dialogue with people in the league, may have precluded him from pulling the trigger...

IF JJ felt 100% comfortable with Norv, this would be a done deal...

NO doubt about it...

Hell, even Aikman told JJ to hire him...

But JJ is NOT comfortable now...

Let me say I never called you a loser. As for your reading between the lines who knows maybe your right then again you could be on a wild goose chase on why Jerry has not named the HC as of yet. I predicted that there was a good chance that no coach would be named until the week after the SB but I don’t think that means the candidates who have been interviewed are now long shot at getting the job just because Jerry did not hire someone on the spot. Only reason we did with Garrett is because of time restrictions.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Jerry brings most of the criticisim on himself.

And, it's not like Jones never hires a HC he's comfortable with and can control. I guess you don't remember the Switzer/Gailey/Campo years?

I fully agree that Jerry really wants to win. But he wasn't totally satisfied with winning back-to-back Super Bowls because someone other than Jerry was getting most of the credit. That's the main reason Jerry took over full control of personnel and brought in HC's no one else wanted who were all just too happy to be offered an NFL gig that they didn't care if they didn't have any authority or control.

BP was only brought in once Jerry became desperate.

Now we'll see if he hires another dominant personality as HC and gives him the same power or if he reels the reins back in and reverts back to his old form. It's not like he hasn't done it before.

I understand where you guys are coming from but I don't think it's the same situation. There really aren't many better coaches that are available right now besides Rivera and Norv Turner. All the hot assistants were already hired and that was because he was waiting on an answer from Parcells. And if he really wanted a puppet, wouldn't he have hired Norv Turner by now or just promoted Tony Sparano to head coach? I think Jerry is trying to get Rivera otherwise he would have already hired one of these guys by now.