More and more support for Jerry Jones

[Hunter71]

Let me say I never called you a loser. As for your reading between the lines who knows maybe your right then again you could be on a wild goose chase on why Jerry has not named the HC as of yet. I predicted that there was a good chance that no coach would be named until the week after the SB but I don’t think that means the candidates who have been interviewed are now long shot at getting the job just because Jerry did not hire someone on the spot. Only reason we did with Garrett is because of time restrictions.

Agree 100%...

At this point it is all a wild goose chase, from us to the reporters to the inside "sources"...

But, all I can do is just read the reports, listen to the opinions of people like you on here and try to make heads or tails out of this...

This has certainly changed course a few times IF we are to believe the "inside sources" that Werder and Mort use...

And you're a better person than me if you predicted that JJ would have someone hired AFTER the SB...

I thought he's move quickly, given his history, and make an immediate splash to lessen the departure of Parcells...

 

[doomsday81]

Clearly too much jumping to conclusions....too many insults of the owner and gm, Jerry Jones, because fans think they know what's better for the team than the owner. I really don't understand fans thinking JJ would hire someone comfortable just because he knows them...the man wants to win.

More and more, it's looking like JJ is being very thorough and that he has a plan, probably put together in discussion with Parcells and others, for what he wants the next staff to look like, where he wants experience and where he wants youth.

I think it also sounds like Norv Turner has a very well-thought out plan for what he intends to do and what he demands in order to take a final journey into the HC-ing world of the NFL. If Turner is hired, he may succeed or he may fail, just as Parcells failed to meet his goals, but it won't be because he wasn't totally committed this time nor because he didn't have a very clear plan of what he wants and needs.

It may very well be Turner, Rivera, and Garrett. If Rivera doesn't come on board, it may end up being Phillips, Garrett, and Bowles,etc. Singletary and Rivera as HC may still end up as possibilities, but I'm sort of doubting it.

NO one knows what's going to happen, and certainly no one knows whether it will turn out great or poorly....that first year with JJ and Jimmy sure had Dallas fans everywhere calling it a joke, but it turned out okay.

I just think Jerry Jones deserves a little more credit and benefit of the doubt than what he's being shown. He made some real bonehead decisions for a few years while learning on the job, but he's been doing this for a long time now, and he has learned a thing or two, and most importantly for me, the man loves his Cowboys and wants to win and will do whatever he thinks will make that happen.

Actually, I'm more than a fan, I talk to people around the NFL every day and the Cowboys are a laughingstock right now. You can be in denial all you want but that's a fact. Other teams are laughing at the way the Cowboys do business and in my opinion, rightfully so. I can see you defending Jerry Jones though. With all those great draft he's produced in the past 12 years. You said the fans think they know more than Jones? Go back and look at some of those drafts. They are downright laughable and I'm certain that some people on this board could have walked into the war room and done a better job. The Cowboys used to be NFL royalty and now they're a joke. I'll never get why people have this undying support for Jerry Jones. The team hasn't won a playoff game in 10 years and yet some Cowboys fans are still buying the crap he's selling. It amazes me. I love the Cowboys but I don't just root blindly for anything the team does. I try to be an objective fan and as an objective fan, this team hasn't done anything since 1995. That's a fact so you keep supporting how things are but I expect better from the greatest franchise in all of sports.

 

[ilovejerry]

I think you are making that up.

Last time I talked to him he said you had called once but he would never talk to you again.

Now ,Now you know he thought it was YOU he thought he was talking to, till I told Him " Jerry Babe its me come on " I will admit I did sing the wizard of Oz, but thats cause he likes it, although he never will admit it






He says your breath smelled so bad he could smell it over the phone.

Now thats not nice I could say mean things but I will keep it clean

He also mentioned that every few minutes you would start singing...We're off to see the Wizard, the wonder wizard of oz. He said he never did figure out what that meant.

He knows he knows

 

[ilovejerry]

Actually, I'm more than a fan, I talk to people around the NFL every day and the Cowboys are a laughingstock right now. You can be in denial all you want but that's a fact. Other teams are laughing at the way the Cowboys do business and in my opinion, rightfully so. I can see you defending Jerry Jones though. With all those great draft he's produced in the past 12 years. You said the fans think they know more than Jones? Go back and look at some of those drafts. They are downright laughable and I'm certain that some people on this board could have walked into the war room and done a better job. The Cowboys used to be NFL royalty and now they're a joke. I'll never get why people have this undying support for Jerry Jones. The team hasn't won a playoff game in 10 years and yet some Cowboys fans are still buying the crap he's selling. It amazes me. I love the Cowboys but I don't just root blindly for anything the team does. I try to be an objective fan and as an objective fan, this team hasn't done anything since 1995. That's a fact so you keep supporting how things are but I expect better from the greatest franchise in all of sports.[/quot

You know I love guys like you , your the kick a guy when hes down type of guy, The Cowboys were a joke when Jerry bought this team if you remember, He along with Jimmy and the rest of the coaches, re-built this team and they win and Jerry's laughed at and ridiculed and gets no respect "hes just an owner, keep him off the field and let the coaches coach, I don't know who thinks, the cowboys are a laughing stock in the NFL, I speak to people to in the NFL maybe not everyday, but they never tell me that the Boys are a laughing stock. I really think if your going to judge and dismiss him as a GM step up and tell us who you spoke to. Or say in my opinion because thats all it is OPINION

 

[wileedog]

Sure, it was a big risk but remember, it was Galloways injuries not necessarily his play that made him such a big bust here. Also, there were not many receivers with the type of speed that Galloway possessed at the time. I feel like in todays NFL, there are lot of fast receivers but at the time, Galloway was unique. So while, he may not have technically made any Pro Bowls, he possessed the type of speed and deep play that was unique at the time.

He was not worth 2 #1 picks in any way, shape or form. Even if he stayed healthy he never put up the production in Seattle worth those picks and never would in Dallas with an aging, breaking team.

At just the point Jerry should have been turning the page on the Dynasty and started the rebuilding process, he gave away two HUGE building blocks for an over-rated WR and a last gasp attempt.

You are trying to defend the indefensible.

I remember that when the trade was made, people were excited and thought we could really stretch a defense by having two big play receivers on offense. It's just unfortunate that Galloway couldn't stay healthy. Still I can't really fault Jerry for trying.

I remember thinking "2 #1 picks? Are you out of your ****** mind?!!!"

Had he not made the trade, it's likely fans would have been mad at him for not having another quality WR aside from Rocket.

We could have had Shawn Alexander and Steve Hutchinson with those picks.

I think the fans would have gotten over it.

(although I will grant you the very real possibility Jerry would have traded down with those picks to pick up Dwayne Goodrich and the like anyway).

 

[ilovejerry]

He was not worth 2 #1 picks in any way, shape or form. Even if he stayed healthy he never put up the production in Seattle worth those picks and never would in Dallas with an aging, breaking team.

At just the point Jerry should have been turning the page on the Dynasty and started the rebuilding process, he gave away two HUGE building blocks for an over-rated WR and a last gasp attempt.

You are trying to defend the indefensible.



I remember thinking "2 #1 picks? Are you out of your ****** mind?!!!"



We could have had Shawn Alexander and Steve Hutchinson with those picks.

I think the fans would have gotten over it.

(although I will grant you the very real possibility Jerry would have traded down with those picks to pick up Dwayne Goodrich and the like anyway).

He also should have let Troy and Emmitt go as well, and re-build but he didn't, as a GM there are allot of tough decisions to make, Bill's mistake this year was not yanking his old QB Drew Bledsoe and putting in Tony Romo, But its not as easy as you think, and I really don't want to get off here so I will shut up now

 

[theebs]

Clearly too much jumping to conclusions....too many insults of the owner and gm, Jerry Jones, because fans think they know what's better for the team than the owner. I really don't understand fans thinking JJ would hire someone comfortable just because he knows them...the man wants to win.

More and more, it's looking like JJ is being very thorough and that he has a plan, probably put together in discussion with Parcells and others, for what he wants the next staff to look like, where he wants experience and where he wants youth.

I think it also sounds like Norv Turner has a very well-thought out plan for what he intends to do and what he demands in order to take a final journey into the HC-ing world of the NFL. If Turner is hired, he may succeed or he may fail, just as Parcells failed to meet his goals, but it won't be because he wasn't totally committed this time nor because he didn't have a very clear plan of what he wants and needs.

It may very well be Turner, Rivera, and Garrett. If Rivera doesn't come on board, it may end up being Phillips, Garrett, and Bowles,etc. Singletary and Rivera as HC may still end up as possibilities, but I'm sort of doubting it.

NO one knows what's going to happen, and certainly no one knows whether it will turn out great or poorly....that first year with JJ and Jimmy sure had Dallas fans everywhere calling it a joke, but it turned out okay.

I just think Jerry Jones deserves a little more credit and benefit of the doubt than what he's being shown. He made some real bonehead decisions for a few years while learning on the job, but he's been doing this for a long time now, and he has learned a thing or two, and most importantly for me, the man loves his Cowboys and wants to win and will do whatever he thinks will make that happen.

how many of these poor jerry jones is getting picked on threads are you going to start? seriously? isnt one enough.

 

[Shake_Tiller]

Everyone has a chink in his armour. I've always felt that Jerry Jones' weakness isn't lack of desire to win. He wants to win. But he wants to have fun winning, and in his case, by being extremely involved in the football operation. If many of us were owners of NFL teams, we'd probably have the same weakness. Jones would do nearly anything to win, I think, except give up the title of general manager. He wants to be a football guy.

Honestly, I've never really held that against Jones. He invested a great deal of money in the Cowboys, and he's invested a great deal of time and energy. But I don't think such hands on ownership is necessarily conducive to building a consistent, winning organization. And I don't think it's unusual that many fans would be afraid that Jones is once again walking the path he walked before -- attempting to run the football operation at the expense of the head coach. The past doesn't always predict the future, but it's a reasonable guide.

The point Brainpaint has made is good. None of us will or can know how all this plays out. But it doesn't seem to me to be unreasonable to question whether the team should hire a coach whose record is barely better than Ted Williams' batting average. Nor is it unreasonable to fear that Jones is a backslider.

Whatever happens, I hope it results in the Cowboys winning a Super Bowl.

 

[windward]

In all honesty, it's not premature for saying people were jumping to conclusions. Jerry gave no indication who he was or was not going to hire. It was all media speculation. He may or may not hire Turner. If he does then he may deserve a fair bit of criticism (less so f he can get Rivera as a DC here as well)

Until then, those of us not cautioning others for demonizing Jerry with scant evidence are justified in not losing our heads over the matter.

 

[zeromaster]

Again, last week 9 out of every 10 journalists was reporting that was exactly what was going to happen. Given Jerry's past, do you really blame people for reacting to that?

I for one will not use even 10 out of 10 journalists as a basis for reacting. Journalism is now largely about putting forth opinions and pushing style over substance. In a sports vein, see BSPN and its syncophants. If people want ot believe or even be outraged by what they here from those sources, they deserve whatever discomfort they get.

I think Jerry got worried about the backlash of immediately hiring Norv and the perception it would create, so he opened up the field.

I think it's just as likely Jerry is worried about the ticket base, as opposed to fans in general. Start running a business based solely on public perception and there will never be a concensus of success. This board is a case in point as to how nebulous a concensus is.

I personally don't think Rivera was on his radar this time last week, but that's just speculation on my part, admittedly.

This I can agree with, but if there's truly a smokescreen in place and Jones was interested for weeks, he's much more astute than most give hm credit for.

When Tony Romo was made starter Jerry Jones was quoted as saying that if it didn't work out he was going to have to change his strategy of not looking for a QB in the high first round. There is no clearer comment on JERRY'S approach the past 6 or 7 seven years to finding Troy's replacement.

Remember too who was most disappointed when Bledsoe was benched. Hint: It wasn't Parcells.

No real argument here.

Bill was hamstrung by the QB position from the day he walked in the door and was given Quincy Carter and told by Jerry that they weren't going to use a high pick on a QB. Vinny and Bledsoe were the bandaids Bill could scrape up to compensate for that situation.

You can blame Bill for a lot of things, but the QB situation here for 4+ years in Dallas is 100% on Jerry Jones. He's just lucky as all heck that Payton found Romo and Bill helped develop him properly.

True insofar as Jones' attempts to land the next big thing, but Parcells has seldom had a history of going with rookie QBs from the get-go in any case.

 

[VA Cowboy]

And if he really wanted a puppet, wouldn't he have hired Norv Turner by now or just promoted Tony Sparano to head coach? I think Jerry is trying to get Rivera otherwise he would have already hired one of these guys by now.

That's what I'm hoping, but if the reports are true, then it may not be that Jerry doesn't want a puppet this time, but rather Norv doesn't want to be just a puppet and has asked for significant control over personnel which Jerry probably doesn't want to give him.

IF Norv was happy just to be a X's and O's coordinator with the HC title, then he'd probably be HC right now.

I still think next week he will still be named the HC, I just hope we can at least get Rivera in here as DC.

 

[zeromaster]

Actually, I'm more than a fan, I talk to people around the NFL every day and the Cowboys are a laughingstock right now. You can be in denial all you want but that's a fact. Other teams are laughing at the way the Cowboys do business and in my opinion, rightfully so. I can see you defending Jerry Jones though. With all those great draft he's produced in the past 12 years. You said the fans think they know more than Jones? Go back and look at some of those drafts. They are downright laughable and I'm certain that some people on this board could have walked into the war room and done a better job. The Cowboys used to be NFL royalty and now they're a joke. I'll never get why people have this undying support for Jerry Jones. The team hasn't won a playoff game in 10 years and yet some Cowboys fans are still buying the crap he's selling. It amazes me. I love the Cowboys but I don't just root blindly for anything the team does. I try to be an objective fan and as an objective fan, this team hasn't done anything since 1995. That's a fact so you keep supporting how things are but I expect better from the greatest franchise in all of sports.

No names I suppose, just a sort of generalized "people around the NFL every day" sort of thing. Must be quite a cool job you have. Are you a writer? Agent? Independently wealthy? Or just down on Jones in general?

The subtlety of the Jones criticism is a thing of, well, beauty isn't quite the word for it. I'm doubtful about the objectivity part. I agree on the playoff success being lacking, but when bringing up statements such as "the Cowboys are a laughingstock right now. You can be in denial all you want but that's a fact. Other teams are laughing at the way the Cowboys do business", remember: facts are generally tied into concrete things like quotes with names, verifiable sources and events, and the sort of items that hold up under independent scrutiny.

I'm reasonably certain there are teams that like to laugh at Dallas, but there are also teams that aren't pulling nearly the revenue or are valued at the same level, and that contributes to criticism and resentment also. How you came to be their spokesman is somewhat of a mystery.

 

[BulletBob]

No names I suppose, just a sort of generalized "people around the NFL every day" sort of thing. Must be quite a cool job you have. Are you a writer? Agent? Independently wealthy? Or just down on Jones in general?

The subtlety of the Jones criticism is a thing of, well, beauty isn't quite the word for it. I'm doubtful about the objectivity part. I agree on the playoff success being lacking, but when bringing up statements such as "the Cowboys are a laughingstock right now. You can be in denial all you want but that's a fact. Other teams are laughing at the way the Cowboys do business", remember: facts are generally tied into concrete things like quotes with names, verifiable sources and events, and the sort of items that hold up under independent scrutiny.

I'm reasonably certain there are teams that like to laugh at Dallas, but there are also teams that aren't pulling nearly the revenue or are valued at the same level, and that contributes to criticism and resentment also. How you came to be their spokesman is somewhat of a mystery.

wned:

 

[Shake_Tiller]

I like Jerry Jones. I'm glad he owns the Cowboys. At least the man is willing to put his heart, soul and dough into the team. But in 13 seasons since Jimmy Johnson resigned, the Cowboys are 107-101, barely above .500. Bill Parcells took a great deal of criticism for similar results.

More tellingly, in the past 10 years, since the team Johnson/Jones built began to deteriorate, the Cowboys are 73-87 (0.456), which is just about Norv Turner territory. Parcells' time was an improvement over the six prior years, when the Cowboys were 39-57 (0.406).

Granted, Jones was saddled with a very difficult task. A championship team got old, and maybe more importantly, was ravaged by free agency. The Packers suffered a long period of losing following their championship years. So did the Steelers (relatively). So did the 49ers. And the Cowboys faced a more difficult task than did the Packers and the Steelers, because those franchises dealt with age alone. Dallas had to deal with age and free agency.

I don't blame Jones for struggling with the salary cap. Most of us would have found it difficult not to pay Aikman, to pay Smith, to pay the guys who earned the rings, and to hold out hope that, given the right tweaks, they could recapture the magic.

But I don't think a fair-minded person can ignore the Campo years, when the Cowboys won 15 games and lost 33 (0.313). By 2002, the last of those three 5-11 seasons, it's a long stretch to blame the natural regression that haunts a dynasty. The Cowboys weren't getting better. They were mired in Cardinals/Lions territory, and the roster was abysmal. The drafts had been disastrous.

Jones hired Parcells, and together they restored the franchise to respectability. No, they didn't take the final step to playoff success, but they restored credibility.

My fear is a return to the management style that preceded the Parcells hire. Jones may have learned his lesson, and I hope that he did. I for one thought that he had until some of the recent reports concerning Turner and Larry Lacewell emerged. Hopefully, those reports were incorrect or overblown.

But after having suffered a long period of watching bad football, it's difficult for me not to be concerned. I am anxious, very anxious to find that my concerns are without merit.

 

[cowboyed]

How many team owners traded two first round picks for a player that never made a pro-bowl except for once as an alternate?

It may have happened to other owners but that one is hard to overlook.

I agree brainpaint that was a major clusterfart but the man has done many great things for the organization as well.

"When I Am Right No One Remembers When I Am Wrong No One Forgets".

 

[LucaBrasi]

I'm as critical of Jerry as anybody. I have to give him credit so far, for being thorough, and patient with the coaching search.
That being said, why would anyone have confidence in him getting it right? He ran a back to back winning SB coach out of here, hired a moron who was sitting on his couch in Norman to replace him, drafted abysmally for 9 years, and has been the one constant while this team hasn't one a playoff game in 10 years.
Other than that he's doing a terrific job.

 

[Alexander]

I'm as critical of Jerry as anybody. I have to give him credit so far, for being thorough, and patient with the coaching search.

Not so fast with the credit.

Per ESPN INSIDER:

Cowboys waiting: Commissioner Paul Tagliabue persuaded Cowboys owner Jerry Jones to wait until next week to announce his head coach. Some believe Jones is still undecided about the selection, with the decision coming down to Norv Turner of the 49ers and Wade Phillips of the Chargers. Turner has requested some power in selecting coaches and players, something Jones might be unwilling to give him. Phillips is less demanding. Plus, as mentioned above, it's not out of the question for Jones to interview Rivera now that the process has gone this long.

 

[cowboyed]

Good Jerry Jones failure points. But how about the Cowboys being only one of two teams (the Pats) in the last 15 years to win 3 Superbowls. So this know nothing owner hires a highly regarded sure fire HOF coach in Parcells, gives him unprecedented control over player and coach personnel acquistions via free agency and the draft and what happens...4 years of mediocrity, december death spirals and not one playoff game win when stumbling into the post season.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Mr. Jones is without a doubt the greatest NFL owner of all-time!

 

[VA Cowboy]

I'm as critical of Jerry as anybody. I have to give him credit so far, for being thorough, and patient with the coaching search.
That being said, why would anyone have confidence in him getting it right? He ran a back to back winning SB coach out of here, hired a moron who was sitting on his couch in Norman to replace him, drafted abysmally for 9 years, and has been the one constant while this team hasn't one a playoff game in 10 years.
Other than that he's doing a terrific job.

Exactly. We do our best when he's letting someone else guide the ship.