Video: More on Eligible Receivers - Detroit was copying a Belicheat Play Made Illegal

[Blackrain]

My take on it is when the official announces the player's number over the loudspeaker if it's not the player that you want eligible you better tell the official to change it to the player you want to be eligible

If for whatever reason you don't correct the referee then you better throw it to the player that they declared eligible because if you don't it's going to be illegal just like it was.


No matter what the defense is going to cover the player that was announced eligible so we didn't get any break there.

If there was any break it was the fact we capitalized on Dan Campbell's rage as he became so stubborn to go for the two-point conversion when he could have kicked the field goal and possibly won an overtime

 

[Brooksey]

Someone else has a video.

Claims that the "error" by the refs could not have been fixed by Detroit because correcting the refs would have required a timeout.

He says that's a dumb rule. And I have some sympathy for that. But letting a team stop the clock without a timeout seems something easily gamed, so I can see the league not wanting to allow it.

I can't wait to kick their ***** again in three weeks.

 

[nightrain]

On to Washington.

 

[silvernblu]

Some of y'all are working overtime, trying to convince yourselves that the Cowboys didn't catch a break.

I guess when you're invested in anti-Cowboys conspiracies, any call that goes the Cowboys way has to be justified.

It's comical. We caught a break. It's not hard to see it for what it was, unless you're invested elsewhere.

How did we catch a break? If the right guy was announced, the play would not have worked.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

Some of y'all are working overtime, trying to convince yourselves that the Cowboys didn't catch a break.

I guess when you're invested in anti-Cowboys conspiracies, any call that goes the Cowboys way has to be justified.

It's comical. We caught a break. It's not hard to see it for what it was, unless you're invested elsewhere.

Victim mentality ^

 

[Cowboys22]

Some of y'all are working overtime, trying to convince yourselves that the Cowboys didn't catch a break.

I guess when you're invested in anti-Cowboys conspiracies, any call that goes the Cowboys way has to be justified.

It's comical. We caught a break. It's not hard to see it for what it was, unless you're invested elsewhere.

If by catching a break you mean the officials got it right and didn’t fall for the deception, then yeah we caught a break. Bottom line is that once 70 was announced as eligible and the ball was snapped, 68 was ineligible and it was an illegal formation so the refs got it right. The fact that Detroit purposely was being deceptive and ended up deceiving the refs as well is 100% on them. Dallas did what they should have done and keyed on the announced eligible player.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Some of y'all are working overtime, trying to convince yourselves that the Cowboys didn't catch a break.

I guess when you're invested in anti-Cowboys conspiracies, any call that goes the Cowboys way has to be justified.

It's comical. We caught a break. It's not hard to see it for what it was, unless you're invested elsewhere.

we didn't catch a break. the play was illegal. the player wasn't eligible. so the refs made the right call. end of story. in fact its a non-story. Detroit got caught in trying to confuse the cowboys and the refs. done!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Someone else has a video.

Claims that the "error" by the refs could not have been fixed by Detroit because correcting the refs would have required a timeout.

He says that's a dumb rule. And I have some sympathy for that. But letting a team stop the clock without a timeout seems something easily gamed, so I can see the league not wanting to allow it.

that's incorrect. as soon as the ref announced it, the players hadn't lined up. they could have just told the ref. and he would have changed his announcement and not need a timeout.

there was plenty of time from the time the announcement was made to when the players lined up.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

This is actually some good extra details that aren’t being discussed. I particularly like the footage showing 58 lining up as eligible then motioning back to an ineligible spot. That should be an illegal formation like he mentions.

I believe they were also called for that, there was two flags on the play if I am not mistaken and one of them was for illegal formation

 

[mardwin]

Some of y'all are working overtime, trying to convince yourselves that the Cowboys didn't catch a break.

I guess when you're invested in anti-Cowboys conspiracies, any call that goes the Cowboys way has to be justified.

It's comical. We caught a break. It's not hard to see it for what it was, unless you're invested elsewhere.

We didn't catch a break, it was the right call. The Lions caught a break with the phantom tripping call that gave them the opportunity to actually have a final drive.

 

[Flamma]

Some of y'all are working overtime, trying to convince yourselves that the Cowboys didn't catch a break.

I guess when you're invested in anti-Cowboys conspiracies, any call that goes the Cowboys way has to be justified.

It's comical. We caught a break. It's not hard to see it for what it was, unless you're invested elsewhere.

IMO opinion the refs clearly got the wrong guy reporting. But I don't see that as a break. We don't know that Detroit converts the two point play had they got it right. Someone would have been on him. To me, that was a make up call for the false tripping call. Had that not happened, Game is probably over. Even though that's not what the refs intended.

Detroit fans are doing now what they did back in 2014. Seeing the foul that benefits them, and ignoring the one that doesn't. That's very convenient, but at least 10% of the population can see through it. The refs being really bad was the only chance the Lions had in the first place.

 

[HungryLion]

Did we catch a break on the tripping play with 2:05 left? The game was over, 2point conversion doesn't happen.

Yep

Donovan Wilson’s Int really should have been the end of the game, if the refs don’t falsely insert themselves into the game by calling a phantom penalty on the cowboys.

 

[Flamma]

The only thing the video got wrong was that 58 lined up eligible, then shifted to ineligible. He was ineligible the entire time. A WR was lined up on the LOS to his right. But I get his point.

 

[Lutonio]

I believe they were also called for that, there was two flags on the play if I am not mistaken and one of them was for illegal formation

Tough to say. Part of what has made the whole thing so particularly confusing is whether the formation would have been legal if the intended players were eligible. I don’t actually know which player drew the flag for the formation.

 

[Flamma]

If Goff or the eligible player were to approach the ref, the ref would have corrected his announcement and instruction.

It was a dead ball and the play clock (not game clock) hadn’t started. Even if the play clock were wound, in that time, the lions could have easily clarified.

In that case there is a long history of officials correcting a player number or the location of the ball or a change to the clock. They then restart the 25 second play clock.

But, for reasons of their own, out of ignorance that the designation was reported by the ref incorrectly or if they hoped their trickery had worked, they ran their play.

The mistake was on the ref but the lions didn’t help themselves by creating a Benny Hill routine

Very well said. The clock wasn't running. But would they have allowed a change at that point? I find it hard to believe they run the play after hearing 70 reported over the loud speaker. That's just idiocy. They weren't going to get away with that.

 

[atlantacowboy]

Someone else has a video.

Claims that the "error" by the refs could not have been fixed by Detroit because correcting the refs would have required a timeout.

He says that's a dumb rule. And I have some sympathy for that. But letting a team stop the clock without a timeout seems something easily gamed, so I can see the league not wanting to allow it.

The clock was already stopped for the 2 point conversion. They don’t run clock on extra points.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I still don’t understand how this was a play intended to trick or deceive Dallas. The defense doesn’t have to figure out who’s eligible on these plays. The refs tell them presnap and announce it to the entire stadium. Sucks for Detroit if the ref got it wrong. Officials screw up all the time and it’s a part of the game. So if the intent was deception, they only succeeded in tricking the officials not the Cowboys.

 

[TNCowboy]

Some of y'all are working overtime, trying to convince yourselves that the Cowboys didn't catch a break.

I guess when you're invested in anti-Cowboys conspiracies, any call that goes the Cowboys way has to be justified.

It's comical. We caught a break. It's not hard to see it for what it was, unless you're invested elsewhere.

How did we catch a break? 68 wasn’t announced. The rules are plain that anyone with a # in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 90s has to be announced to the Defense if eligible. The D had no reason to cover him. There was no way they could declare the conversion good, within the rules.

 

[TNCowboy]

If Goff or the eligible player were to approach the ref, the ref would have corrected his announcement and instruction.

It was a dead ball and the play clock (not game clock) hadn’t started. Even if the play clock were wound, in that time, the lions could have easily clarified.

In that case there is a long history of officials correcting a player number or the location of the ball or a change to the clock. They then restart the 25 second play clock.

But, for reasons of their own, out of ignorance that the designation was reported by the ref incorrectly or if they hoped their trickery had worked, they ran their play.

The mistake was on the ref but the lions didn’t help themselves by creating a Benny Hill routine

The Lions wanted the ref to be wrong. Goff and Campbell both heard the wrong # announced, and did nothing. They were counting on it, they just thought the ref would acquiesce and give them the 2.

 

[Boyzmamacita]

People should be thanking Campbell for going for 2 because I don't think we win in OT.

Naw, that was COURAGE. Haven't you heard?