Video: More on Eligible Receivers - Detroit was copying a Belicheat Play Made Illegal

[buybuydandavis]

If there was any break it was the fact we capitalized on Dan Campbell's rage as he became so stubborn to go for the two-point conversion when he could have kicked the field goal and possibly won an overtime

What was that, 4th and 7? Going for that was just dumb. They caught a break with Micah jumping offsides, but it was still dumb.

 

[The Quest for Six]

how had the refs called #68 as eligible you think the Defense would've just ignored the call and covered #70 still? This "Deception Design" is flawed, they dont have to guess who is eligible its the player the ref tells them is eligible..#68 was open because the defense didn't need to cover him he was in fact by rule ineligible...

70 reported as eligible 6 times in the game, ref had a brain fart and called 70 instead of 68 because of the six times 70 reported in the game... 68 stated he told the ref he was reporting, 70 stated he never reported on the two point conversion....

 

[Chasing6]

A new twist on the story. There is historical precedent.

1000% correct.

Cambell is an idiot.

 

[Chasing6]

A new twist on the story. There is historical precedent.

Not really a twist. Just stating the facts.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I actually think if they gave the conversion to Detroit after not announcing it properly , that would have been a much bigger problem for the league. My guess is that it’s like that phantom tripping call. Not reviewable.

This.
It would have been complete robbery for the play to stand with the refs announcing 70 was eligible and then letting 68 catch a TD.
It *has* to be that who the refs announce as eligible is the one who is eligible.

 

[Birch_Wood]

I like the explanation by, "end of regulation". What he says seems to make sense.

 

[Chasing6]

If Goff or the eligible player were to approach the ref, the ref would have corrected his announcement and instruction.

It was a dead ball and the play clock (not game clock) hadn’t started. Even if the play clock were wound, in that time, the lions could have easily clarified.

In that case there is a long history of officials correcting a player number or the location of the ball or a change to the clock. They then restart the 25 second play clock.

But, for reasons of their own, out of ignorance that the designation was reported by the ref incorrectly or if they hoped their trickery had worked, they ran their play.

The mistake was on the ref but the lions didn’t help themselves by creating a Benny Hill routine

No play clocks on extra points.

 

[buybuydandavis]

I agree. It’s absurd that penalties can’t be challenged. That tripping call on Hendershot, for example , was an easy overturn. I think the NFL is concerned about the length of games. You can imagine how every play there is a missed call or a botched call. It would totally screw up the flow of the game. I personally like the current challenge flag system but they need to extend it to make more kinds of calls reviewable, or just auto review any penalties more than 10 yards.

They should have another officiating crew in a booth reviewing the video of every play in real time so that there's no delay in starting a review.
Making the game and the audience wait while a ref jogs to and back from a sideline video screen is beyond stupid.
With no delay for starting reviews they could have more reviews with the same total time used. It would be good for the game to get rid of bad calls, like the tripping call.
The NFL is a multi billion dollar yearly enterprise. They can more than afford doubling the officiating crew, with one doing video only.

 

[Chasing6]

If Goff or the eligible player were to approach the ref, the ref would have corrected his announcement and instruction.

It was a dead ball and the play clock (not game clock) hadn’t started. Even if the play clock were wound, in that time, the lions could have easily clarified.

In that case there is a long history of officials correcting a player number or the location of the ball or a change to the clock. They then restart the 25 second play clock.

But, for reasons of their own, out of ignorance that the designation was reported by the ref incorrectly or if they hoped their trickery had worked, they ran their play.

The mistake was on the ref but the lions didn’t help themselves by creating a Benny Hill routine

The ignorance was out of the play design to intentionally deceive the Cowboys/Refs.

1. Starting with 3 lineman approaching the Ref
2. 58 lining up as a split end
3. Declaring 70 as eligible
4. Then motioning 58 out of an illegal formation.
5. All of it was designed to create confusion.
6. It 100% failed. Dallas nor the Ref's were confused. Only talking heads and some fans that don't understand the game.

All the Detroit players said they did what they practiced and were told to do. Leaving 100% of the stupidity of the play on Dan Cambell.

 

[buybuydandavis]

No play clocks on extra points.

Doh!

 

[Chasing6]

If Goff or the eligible player were to approach the ref, the ref would have corrected his announcement and instruction.

It was a dead ball and the play clock (not game clock) hadn’t started. Even if the play clock were wound, in that time, the lions could have easily clarified.

In that case there is a long history of officials correcting a player number or the location of the ball or a change to the clock. They then restart the 25 second play clock.

But, for reasons of their own, out of ignorance that the designation was reported by the ref incorrectly or if they hoped their trickery had worked, they ran their play.

The mistake was on the ref but the lions didn’t help themselves by creating a Benny Hill routine

Really???? DOH

 

[Chasing6]

Doh!

How about you read the post above. Smart guy.

 

[CowboyFrog]

70 reported as eligible 6 times in the game, ref had a brain fart and called 70 instead of 68 because of the six times 70 reported in the game... 68 stated he told the ref he was reporting, 70 stated he never reported on the two point conversion....

ok but again how is that a break, the rule is the eligible reciever is the one the Ref announces..if they announce #68 as eligible then the D would have covered him....what makes anyone think #68 would have been wide open if they announced he was eligible?

 

[buybuydandavis]

70 reported as eligible 6 times in the game, ref had a brain fart and called 70 instead of 68 because of the six times 70 reported in the game... 68 stated he told the ref he was reporting, 70 stated he never reported on the two point conversion....

So whatever Lions players say is true?

The only observable facts we have in evidence is that 3 Lions olinemen went up to the ref, and the ref announced that 70 was eligible.

The most the Lions can claim is that 68 *attempted* to report. If so, it appears that his attempt *failed*.

 

[buybuydandavis]

How about you read the post above. Smart guy.

I just meant that no play clock on conversions is yet another complication to the scenario.

 

[Chasing6]

Some of y'all are working overtime, trying to convince yourselves that the Cowboys didn't catch a break.

I guess when you're invested in anti-Cowboys conspiracies, any call that goes the Cowboys way has to be justified.

It's comical. We caught a break. It's not hard to see it for what it was, unless you're invested elsewhere.

Stockholm Syndrome

 

[The Quest for Six]

ok but again how is that a break, the rule is the eligible reciever is the one the Ref announces..if they announce #68 as eligible then the D would have covered him....what makes anyone think #68 would have been wide open if they announced he was eligible?

Teams use Eligible offensive linemen call all the time and score.....Baltimore did it against Miami and scored..
Even Rich Eisen gets it..The Lions executed the play perfectly as it was designed, but the ref said the wrong number reported..make no sense for an eligible player to line up in an ineligible illegal formation

 

[Chasing6]

The only thing the video got wrong was that 58 lined up eligible, then shifted to ineligible. He was ineligible the entire time. A WR was lined up on the LOS to his right. But I get his point.

And he was not announced as eligible.

 

[CowboyFrog]

Teams use Eligible offensive linemen call all the time and score.....Baltimore did it against Miami and scored..
Even Rich Eisen gets it..The Lions executed the play perfectly as it was designed, but the ref said the wrong number reported

So your premise is that the D after hearing #68 is eligible would be like "We dont care we are covering #70 anyway"? its wasnt a break the D did exactly what they should've done a covered the legally eligible guy and left the illegally uneligible guy uncovered...

 

[Chasing6]

Instead of trying to beat Dallas they designed a play to try and make Dallas think all 3 lineman that visited the Ref were all eligible.

You can clearly see it in their intent.

1. 58 lined up in a position that is normally eligible
2. They announced 70 as eligible
3. Then had 68 in an eligible position, but did not announce it.

Cambell is an IDIOT. It was obvious why he did not want to talk about it after the game.