Video: More on Eligible Receivers - Detroit was copying a Belicheat Play Made Illegal

[JustChip]

I agree. It’s absurd that penalties can’t be challenged. That tripping call on Hendershot, for example , was an easy overturn. I think the NFL is concerned about the length of games. You can imagine how every play there is a missed call or a botched call. It would totally screw up the flow of the game. I personally like the current challenge flag system but they need to extend it to make more kinds of calls reviewable, or just auto review any penalties more than 10 yards.

I’m sure fear of lengthening the game is a component. But I’m also sure that the League, and the Officials’ Union, don’t want added scrutiny.

I would be fine simply giving the ability to challenge within the confines of the current challenge parameters. I don’t want a ton more stoppages that disrupts the flow of the game. Shoot, I think that it was near the end of the 3rd quarter and the early 4th quarter Saturday night that there were 2 plays ran in about 6 minutes of clock time. It’s not as noticeable watching at home on the tv, but it definitely is live at the game.

 

[atlantacowboy]

I’m sure fear of lengthening the game is a component. But I’m also sure that the League, and the Officials’ Union, don’t want added scrutiny.

I would be fine simply giving the ability to challenge within the confines of the current challenge parameters. I don’t want a ton more stoppages that disrupts the flow of the game. Shoot, I think that it was near the end of the 3rd quarter and the early 4th quarter Saturday night that there were 2 plays ran in about 6 minutes of clock time. It’s not as noticeable watching at home on the tv, but it definitely is live at the game.

I don’t know why they can’t have a replay official just checking flags to make sure that at least there is nothing egregious. I still can get that Hendershot tripping penalty out of my head. It was so clear and obvious they called it on the wrong team.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Some of y'all are working overtime, trying to convince yourselves that the Cowboys didn't catch a break.

I guess when you're invested in anti-Cowboys conspiracies, any call that goes the Cowboys way has to be justified.

It's comical. We caught a break. It's not hard to see it for what it was, unless you're invested elsewhere.

Seems to me like you are working overtime to convince yourself and everyone else that the Cowboys caught a break.

 

[Aven8]

It’s over and we won. Move on

 

[SackMaster]

People should be thanking Campbell for going for 2 because I don't think we win in OT.

If they won the toss and got the ball first, I agree.

If Dallas won the toss and got the ball first, and we didn't commit, or called for commiting, a penalty, I think Dallas has a great shot at winning.

But in any case, momentum was not on Dallas's side at that point.

 

[glimmerman]

Some of y'all are working overtime, trying to convince yourselves that the Cowboys didn't catch a break.

I guess when you're invested in anti-Cowboys conspiracies, any call that goes the Cowboys way has to be justified.

It's comical. We caught a break. It's not hard to see it for what it was, unless you're invested elsewhere.

Remember the flag they picked up when we played them in the playoffs. Then Dez catch no catch the next game..

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I still don’t understand how this was a play intended to trick or deceive Dallas. The defense doesn’t have to figure out who’s eligible on these plays. The refs tell them presnap and announce it to the entire stadium. Sucks for Detroit if the ref got it wrong. Officials screw up all the time and it’s a part of the game. So if the intent was deception, they only succeeded in tricking the officials not the Cowboys.

well, that's what Campbell said as well. instead of just sending the eligible guy to the ref, he sent three. one of which ran to the endzone. the eligible guy didn't. they were trying to confuse Dallas and the refs and apparently themselves.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I agree. The League has an officiating problem, in perception if not actual.

The solution is very simple - make any call or non-call challengeable. It was so nice yesterday to watch the 2 BCS semi-final games with attention given to get every call correct. I don’t see that the NFL has to go to that degree, but it is unconscionable that the NFL refuses takes even reasonable steps to address their problem.

how many challenges? it can't be infinite. I don't think 2 is enough

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I'm not saying they shouldn't have heard it, but it's not inconceivable that they weren't focused on the announcement since they already thought they knew who had reported. It doesn't really make sense that they would intentionally tell ref #70 and throw to #68. That would be intentionally dooming their own play.

so none of the OL who reported heard it. the QB didn't hear it. the coaches on the sideline or the booth didn't hear it. the entire Lions organization missed it!!! yeah...sure. ok then

 

[JustChip]

how many challenges? it can't be infinite. I don't think 2 is enough

Agree. I would bump to 3. I’ve had that position every time a thread about questionable or errant calls appears. I can see it being only called infractions. Uncalled infractions can open a can or worms whereby during the review of the challenged action, another unchallenged action is found.

 

[glimmerman]

They had two more chances to convert or kick the XP— and FAILED lol

They tried to get cute— it backfired— then they failed to execute.

End of story

Yeah. Parsons held all day but then committed a foul that gave them yet another chance.

 

[JBS]

Some of y'all are working overtime, trying to convince yourselves that the Cowboys didn't catch a break.

I guess when you're invested in anti-Cowboys conspiracies, any call that goes the Cowboys way has to be justified.

It's comical. We caught a break. It's not hard to see it for what it was, unless you're invested elsewhere.

Ehhh. Had 68 been declared eligible there is no guarantee he would have been open ..so tap the brakes

Not to mention the phantom tripping call was a far bigger break for the lions. The right team won the game. End of.

 

[glimmerman]

What was the spread for that game. And if the tripping was called correctly what would the score had been.

 

[OmerV]

so none of the OL who reported heard it. the QB didn't hear it. the coaches on the sideline or the booth didn't hear it. the entire Lions organization missed it!!! yeah...sure. ok then

68 said he reported, 70 said he did not. The ref went and told the defense. Those guys are not standing there with the defense where they would know what the ref told them. I don't know if they said anything about what they may or may not have heard over the speaker.

 

[Kwyn]

Some of y'all are working overtime, trying to convince yourselves that the Cowboys didn't catch a break.

I guess when you're invested in anti-Cowboys conspiracies, any call that goes the Cowboys way has to be justified.

It's comical. We caught a break. It's not hard to see it for what it was, unless you're invested elsewhere.

I can agree we caught a break that the ref botched it, considering the completed pass.

I think it’s very reasonable to argue that had the ref reported #68 instead of #70 we may have covered him.

We’ll never know.

 

[lurkercowboy]

I still don’t understand how this was a play intended to trick or deceive Dallas. The defense doesn’t have to figure out who’s eligible on these plays. The refs tell them presnap and announce it to the entire stadium. Sucks for Detroit if the ref got it wrong. Officials screw up all the time and it’s a part of the game. So if the intent was deception, they only succeeded in tricking the officials not the Cowboys.

Exactly right. You know the ex players and coaches on tv have to know that, yet most of them were saying the refs cost the Lions the game as if the play would have worked the same had the ref announced #68.
You can’t confuse the defense as to who is an eligible receiver. Why try?

 

[The Quest for Six]

Some of y'all are working overtime, trying to convince yourselves that the Cowboys didn't catch a break.

I guess when you're invested in anti-Cowboys conspiracies, any call that goes the Cowboys way has to be justified.

It's comical. We caught a break. It's not hard to see it for what it was, unless you're invested elsewhere.

100% correct, the ref screwed it up and Dallas caught a break!

 

[The Quest for Six]

5:30 time stamp

 

[CowboyFrog]

100% correct, the ref screwed it up and Dallas caught a break!

how had the refs called #68 as eligible you think the Defense would've just ignored the call and covered #70 still? This "Deception Design" is flawed, they dont have to guess who is eligible its the player the ref tells them is eligible..#68 was open because the defense didn't need to cover him he was in fact by rule ineligible...

 

[THEHEREAFTER]

Some of y'all are working overtime, trying to convince yourselves that the Cowboys didn't catch a break.

I guess when you're invested in anti-Cowboys conspiracies, any call that goes the Cowboys way has to be justified.

It's comical. We caught a break. It's not hard to see it for what it was, unless you're invested elsewhere.

Caught a break? After they failed at deception, they still had two more chances. Detroit caught a break with Hendershot tripping call which essentially ends the game.