More Parnell talk

[21Savage]

Parnell is too passive for my taste but rewatching the all-22 he was not as bad nor as inconsistent as I had first thought. We ran a LOT of plays and by the time Parnell came in we were running the same plays for the third or more times. We ran that same stretch play at least a dozen times. Gimp Martin was just as problematic.

After watching the all-22 I thought he played well. Especially in pass pro. Gimp Martin was the biggest problem on that day. It's funny, during the game I didn't even realize he'd gotten hurt.

If he doesn't get hurt, Murray runs for 100+ on those guys. Even those stretch runs out of shotgun for Lunbar, it was Martin's man that ended up making the tackles most times.

And I don't agree with the passive comment. There was the play at the goalline that he and Smith doubled Cole and he made sure he pancaked Cole (who was begging the ref for a flag). One of his first few run plays against Thornton, he also stuck with the block in a tenacious manner and ended up pancaking him. The same can be said for his 3 game stint when he started.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

After watching the all-22 I thought he played well. Especially in pass pro. Gimp Martin was the biggest problem on that day. It's funny, during the game I didn't even realize he'd gotten hurt.

If he doesn't get hurt, Murray runs for 100+ on those guys. Even those stretch runs out of shotgun for Lunbar, it was Martin's man that ended up making the tackles most times.

And I don't agree with the passive comment. There was the play at the goalline that he and Smith doubled Cole and he made sure he pancaked Cole (who was begging the ref for a flag). One of his first few run plays against Thornton, he also stuck with the block in a tenacious manner and ended up pancaking him. The same can be said for his 3 game stint when he started.

I get that he can be dominant physically at times. My issue is that he seems to lose focus at other times and hesitate. That can be said for those three games too.

 

[jobberone]

We're stockpiling OTs this year. There must be some reason for that.

I think Free would accept a reasonable restructure, too. He's earned more than he's getting, but not tremendously more. He's in the right neighborhood. Maybe he gets a bump, but it shouldn't break the bank. If some team wants to offer him too much, then we've got some options.

Agreed. I sure would like to know about Weems, Hills and Hawkins. Sometimes players come out of the blue. Who would have thought Mark Tuinei would have done so well at LT for so long etc.

 

[jobberone]

Just nitpicking here because it seems to be a common misconception, but Free is listed heavier than Parnell.

Maybe it's because he's been planted a few times, but most everyone just doesn't seem to realize that Free is the largest guy on the current active roster.

I didn't know that. He's still relatively athletic. It's the change from road graders only to guys who can get out and block that have made this unit so good at run blocking IMO.

 

[Risen Star]

I didn't know that. He's still relatively athletic. It's the change from road graders only to guys who can get out and block that have made this unit so good at run blocking IMO.

I'd say it's going from no talent to pro bowl talent that did that.

 

[jobberone]

jobberone said: ↑
I didn't know that. He's still relatively athletic. It's the change from road graders only to guys who can get out and block that have made this unit so good at run blocking IMO.

I'd say it's going from no talent to pro bowl talent that did that.

We've had some talent on the OL although not enough of them at one time. One guy doesn't do this. It takes them all. And some still need to learn pass blocking esp stunts, games and such. But they should become Wall II if they continue to improve.

 

[Risen Star]

jobberone said: ↑
I didn't know that. He's still relatively athletic. It's the change from road graders only to guys who can get out and block that have made this unit so good at run blocking IMO.



We've had some talent on the OL although not enough of them at one time. One guy doesn't do this. It takes them all. And some still need to learn pass blocking esp stunts, games and such. But they should become Wall II if they continue to improve.

When you go from Phil Costa, Nate Livings and Mackenzy Bernadeau to Travis Frederick, Zack Martin and Ron Leary you have massively upgraded your talent level. Not to mention that maturation of Tyron Smith as a LT.

That is why we can run the ball now.

 

[burmafrd]

I think Parnell has reached a point where only game time will improve him. A bunch of games with him playing every minute. Not just some minutes here and there.

 

[rd26]

I think Free is the better player, the question for me is if Free is going to cost 5mm and Parnell 2.5mm (guessing of course). Would you rather have Free or Parnell + Durant for the same $$.

I think I would go with the latter

 

[jobberone]

When you go from Phil Costa, Nate Livings and Mackenzy Bernadeau to Travis Frederick, Zack Martin and Ron Leary you have massively upgraded your talent level. Not to mention that maturation of Tyron Smith as a LT.

That is why we can run the ball now.

I think we are mostly saying the same thing.

 

[Eskimo]

My worry with extending Free would be that his level of play might start to rapidly degrade as he gets nixed up. Many players rapidly decline around age 31 or 32 and he will be turning 31 before the start of next season.

I say let him walk, take the compensatory pick and draft a replacement RT. Use Parnell next year as a bridge to the next starter.

The exception would be if we could sign him to a 2-year deal at about $3M per season but he will probably get more than that with all the hype our OL has gotten all year.
We must resist getting back into the habit of paying age and Parnell is an acceptable and cheap fallback option while we develop a replacement. Our OL will be even better next year just from the maturation of the 4 kids even with Parnell out there (who will also probably play better next year with more experience and going through TC as the starter).

Most of the money we have should be dedicated to re-signing Dez and upgrading our pass rush with at least one DE capable of getting 8-10 sacks per year.

 

[jterrell]

Listening to local sports talk radio, they said somebody from the Cowboys was on and said Parnell is the best swing tackle in the NFL.

A couple of the radio hosts said they don't think there is any dropoff from Free to Parnell. I guess some media is finally coming around. LOL.

The radio guys were worried about Bern replacing Martin.

whomever said that hasn't been watching the games.
the yards rushing to the right fell of a cliff after Free went out.

 

[xwalker]

Agreed. I sure would like to know about Weems, Hills and Hawkins. Sometimes players come out of the blue. Who would have thought Mark Tuinei would have done so well at LT for so long etc.

I think Weems has the required physical ability. In the 2013 he reminded me of Leary during his rookie training camp in that he showed the physical ability to play at the NFL level but was just raw. Guys like Arkin never showed NFL physical ability.

I watched some preseason games using the NFL preseason live. He looked reasonably good. Unfortunately, once the season starts the preseason stuff is no longer available for viewing. I'm not certain is they are going to try him at OT or OG.

Hills is 30 and has been in the NFL for 8 years and has only been active for 11 games out a possible 94. He appears to be a swing tackle at best.

 

[xwalker]

Was that somebody Jermey Parnell, by any chance?

I agree, though, that I'd worry about replacing the pulling OG more than I would the RT at this point. Easier to protect the RT if you have to. I'm not too worried about sitting either guy for a week, though. We've also got good OL depth this season.

No and I don't work for the Cowboys if that is the next question.

 

[xwalker]

Been waiting for the All-22 analysis...

I did one for all runs to the right for both Free and Parnell in the Eagles game. The idea that they couldn't run to the right because of Parnell was false. Martin was struggling with injury in the 2nd half and backside pursuit killed about 4 plays that were run to the right.

 

[xwalker]

Just nitpicking here because it seems to be a common misconception, but Free is listed heavier than Parnell.

Maybe it's because he's been planted a few times, but most everyone just doesn't seem to realize that Free is the largest guy on the current active roster.

Those weights are rarely accurate, IMO. They've had Josh Brent listed at 320 since he returned to the 53 man roster but we know directly from comments by Garrett that he was closer to 340 when they first activated him.

I wish the NFL would require teams to keep accurate weights for players. They weigh in every week during the season but the listed weights rarely ever change.

 

[jazzcat22]

I think Free is the better player, the question for me is if Free is going to cost 5mm and Parnell 2.5mm (guessing of course). Would you rather have Free or Parnell + Durant for the same $$.

I think I would go with the latter

Would you also want your QB standing at the end of the play. For an extra 2.5 mil, and a healthy QB, they can find a way to still sign Durant.

 

[CowboyChris]

When you go from Phil Costa, Nate Livings and Mackenzy Bernadeau to Travis Frederick, Zack Martin and Ron Leary you have massively upgraded your talent level. Not to mention that maturation of Tyron Smith as a LT.

That is why we can run the ball now.

When i think of the following players... David Arkin, Phil Costa, Nate Livings and Mackenzy Bernadeau ....I'll will always think of you Risen lol

 

[xwalker]

Would you also want your QB standing at the end of the play. For an extra 2.5 mil, and a healthy QB, they can find a way to still sign Durant.

Parnell didn't allow a sack in the 3 games he started.

 

[Bluefin]

I'm not certain is they are going to try him at OT or OG.

Darrion Weems was practicing at LT during the off-season before getting hurt early in training camp.

I expect him to be the favorite to become the new swing tackle next year.

Hills is 30 and has been in the NFL for 8 years and has only been active for 11 games out a possible 94. He appears to be a swing tackle at best.

I'm surprised Tony Hills has remained on the roster this long after Doug Free healed from his first injury.

He's needed now with Free dinged again.

I'm not expecting Hills to get a contract offer from us this off-season.