Morris Claiborne Draft Pick Announced

casmith07 said:
Bobby Carpenter.
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Carpenter was a first rounder who couldn't initially break the game day roster. Here is a linebacker who isn't good enough to suit up. You'd think at LB he'd at least be able to get some special team work.
 
ABQCOWBOY said:
Many draft reports were wrong. All you had to do was watch him play. I think it's pretty evident that he was not a zone CB coming out. I think what happened there is that people watched him and because of his long arms and natural abilities, they simply assumed he would be able to play zone well but that's not what I ever saw from him, while at LSU. If you want to go on the draft reports, that's fine but they aren't true. Said it then and saying it still.
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I'm sure all the scouts who put together his scouting reports forgot to watch him play.
 
Toruk_Makto said:
I'm sure all the scouts who put together his scouting reports forgot to watch him play.
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All the scouts don't agree with each other. However, I'm comforted to know that you are sure. Did you actually watch him play at LSU?
 
No one can justify the Claiborne pick... It was a terrible move.

However, no use crying over spilled milk. It was done and it is time to move on.

I think the Cowboys have learned from it and at the very least I'm thankful of that.
 
That has to be the most detrimental video I've ever seen for a 1st round pick, nevermind #6 overall. Usually they highlight nothing but the player's strengths whereas here they split it with bad coverage technique and inability to tackle in the open field.

Just hoping we get something out of him this year before we move on.
 
He has yet to complete a training camp much less a season. Maybe his knees are stable but he still always seems to get shoulder sprains and the like as well. The game might be too big for his body.
 
big dog cowboy said:
From ESPN:



From NFLN:



Is his destiny to become the worst draft pick in Cowboys history or will start to make some plays this year?
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As far as I'm concerned, the worst draft pick the Cowboys ever made was Steve Walsh. Gave up a number 1 overall pick for him. It was made up for by all the picks we got from the Herschel trade, but still, that was an awful decision.
 
ABQCOWBOY said:
All the scouts don't agree with each other. However, I'm comforted to know that you are sure. Did you actually watch him play at LSU?
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I watched him weekly and I saw the same quality of player that he has been in Dallas. I thought maybe I was missing something and my eyes were wrong. I took a ton of heat from posters here because I hated drafting Mo. I was called a troll and many more things for pointing out that he was not special in any way. He was never fast and he was not some kinda ball hawk. He was also poor at tackling and was not physical at all . I take no pleasure in being right about Mo , but drafting him was a mistake that could be seen a mile away.
 
Nation said:
Bobby Carpenter in 2009 gave the team more than Claiborne ever has. He was a busted pick as well in terms of a first rounder, but he at least at some point in the contract had a positive contribution on the football field. Plus, Claiborne cost the 14th and 45th pick and Carpenter only cost the 18th.
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Come on, man. That's hyperbole and you know it.

Not sure why you singled out 2009 for Bobby since that was his 4th year. To be fair, you really should compare his first 3 years with Mo's first 3.

But whatever, let's compare Carp's 4 years with us against Mo's 3. Mo has started 25 out of 29 games (~86%) he has appeared in for the Dallas Cowboys. How many starts did we get out of Barbie? Carp started 3 total games out of 58 games that he appeared in for us (~5%).

Sure, you say, but he only started 3 of those games last year. But that had nothing to do with talent. Carp was available for the vast majority of his NFL games but couldn't break the starting lineup despite being the 18th selection.

Oh yeah, and I seem to remember that Mo specifically sealed the game for us last year against St. Louis:

1-10-STL 26 (1:11) (No Huddle, Shotgun) A.Davis pass deep left intended for B.Quick INTERCEPTED by M.Claiborne at DAL 45. M.Claiborne to DAL 37 for -8 yards (B.Quick).


DALLAS COWBOYSQ4, 1:02
1-10-DAL 37 (1:02) T.Romo kneels to DAL 36 for -1 yards.
2-11-DAL 36 :)25) T.Romo kneels to DAL 35 for -1 yards.
END GAME
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But yeah you're right, never had a positive contribution. Also, you say Carp was "only" picked 18th as though it's so much more than the 14th pick. If I was forced to choose today, I would EASILY pick Mo with the 14th and a 2nd rather than the 3 starts that Carp gave us for the 18th pick.

Sorry bro, I don't mean to attack you or anything, this is really just a general post about how some people are blowing this situation way out of proportion. I know it hurts more because it's very recent, but no way in hell is it the worst pick we've ever made. Not even in the top 5. Even if Mo is cut today.
 
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Picksix said:
As far as I'm concerned, the worst draft pick the Cowboys ever made was Steve Walsh. Gave up a number 1 overall pick for him. It was made up for by all the picks we got from the Herschel trade, but still, that was an awful decision.
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No it was made up with the 1st, 2nd and 3rd round draft picks we got when we traded him to NO.
 
To be honest, the best thing for both parties would be a trade. Assuming we play Jones at CB, I don't see any reason to keep a 4th CB that doesn't contribute on special teams. Hopefully he balls in the preseason and can get us a conditional 4th/5th or if not that a DT that can come in and contribute.
 
Sinister said:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/123914/COWBOYS-TRADE-WALSH-TO-SAINTS.html?pg=all

Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said his team will receive the Saints' No. 1 and No. 3 choices in 1991 and a No. 2 pick in 1992. Jones said the No. 2 pick could be upgraded to a No. 1 if Walsh performs well for the Saints.
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Which we used to pick two guys who did nothing, and Erik Williams (whom we very well may have taken with one of the other two picks we had in that round).

You're right, we did get high picks in return for Walsh, and we did load up on talent due to other deals and picks, but the way I see it, that would have been the 1st pick in 1990, which likely would have been Cortez Kennedy.

So we gave up Kennedy for Walsh , who did nothing for us, and didn't get much in return , except for EW, who was of course fantastic, but IMHO, we would have had anyway, even if it meant passing on someone like Godfrey Miles.
 
Picksix said:
Which we used to pick two guys who did nothing, and Erik Williams (whom we very well may have taken with one of the other two picks we had in that round).

You're right, we did get high picks in return for Walsh, and we did load up on talent due to other deals and picks, but the way I see it, that would have been the 1st pick in 1990, which likely would have been Cortez Kennedy.

So we gave up Kennedy for Walsh , who did nothing for us, and didn't get much in return , except for EW, who was of course fantastic, but IMHO, we would have had anyway, even if it meant passing on someone like Godfrey Miles.
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I don't know.....I always heard it would have been Blair Thomas. While I agree with your logic that Walsh was a worse pick considering he was #1 and contributed less ON THE FIELD, I'm more than glad we took him.
 
guag said:
Come on, man. That's hyperbole and you know it.

Not sure why you singled out 2009 for Bobby since that was his 4th year. To be fair, you really should compare his first 3 years with Mo's first 3.

But whatever, let's compare Carp's 4 years with us against Mo's 3. Mo has started 25 out of 29 games (~86%) he has appeared in for the Dallas Cowboys. How many starts did we get out of Barbie? Carp started 3 total games out of 58 games that he appeared in for us (~5%).

Sure, you say, but he only started 3 of those games last year. But that had nothing to do with talent. Carp was available for the vast majority of his NFL games but couldn't break the starting lineup despite being the 18th selection.

Oh yeah, and I seem to remember that Mo specifically sealed the game for us last year against St. Louis:



But yeah you're right, never had a positive contribution. Also, you say Carp was "only" picked 18th as though it's so much more than the 14th pick. If I was forced to choose today, I would EASILY pick Mo with the 14th and a 2nd rather than the 3 starts that Carp gave us for the 18th pick.

Sorry bro, I don't mean to attack you or anything, this is really just a general post about how some people are blowing this situation way out of proportion. I know it hurts more because it's very recent, but no way in hell is it the worst pick we've ever made. Not even in the top 5. Even if Mo is cut today.
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It's a fair point that Carpenter didn't do anything reliable until year four. However, I don't see much of a difference between Carpenter not being put on the field and Claiborne being put on the field due to draft status and stinking it up. Really neither scenario does much for me.

I think the Rams game is a really poor argument for Claiborne though. Don't forget he played so poorly in that game that he was benched the following week and left the facility in a temper tantrum as opposed to being professional about it, only to get hurt the following week. And it's not like that INT was some spectacular feet of coverage, it was on a poor desperation throw.
 
There are still fans making excuses for Mo and they are still defending the pick even with the knowledge that the guy is just not able to produce at the pro level. I can't believe that posters can look at this bust and defend him or the trade up in the draft to get him. He was not great at LSU either , but Peterson helped this guy's draft position more than Mo's play. At the time he was drafted, the oline was a joke and the line could have been on it's way to being fixed instead of waiting another year or two. It was a bad trade up for a bad player. He is a weak minded player with average physical skills. His ball skills was not that good either. He is a bust and the sooner he is out of Dallas, the better.
 
I remember seeing the Cowboys logo pop up on the screen at #6 and thinking what did we give up. Claiborne didn't even register to me as someone we would even draft . I thought we were trading up for Mark Barron or Fletcher Cox. I remember my friend who is a Eagles fan texting me upset because he thought we were jumping up to draft Fletcher Cox. I was actually surprised when we took Claiborne.
 
cej757 said:
I remember seeing the Cowboys logo pop up on the screen at #6 and thinking what did we give up. Claiborne didn't even register to me as someone we would even draft . I thought we were trading up for Mark Barron or Fletcher Cox. I remember my friend who is a Eagles fan texting me upset because he thought we were jumping up to draft Fletcher Cox. I was actually surprised when we took Claiborne.
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I think Dallas didn't do their homework on Mo because they never considered they could be put in a position to draft him. Many of his flaws would have came to the surface if they had done their research. Mo being the next Prime Time was one of the dumbest comparisons ever. His test scores was the first red flag.
 
rocyaice said:
You can't go by what other teams do though. Because other teams thought Romo wasn't worthy of atleast a 7th round pick. Or thought Tom Brady was only worth taking a flyer on in the 6th round. Not only that but they took Janoris Jenkins who at the time who had a history of legal troubles in his past.
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Also..

You have to consider who was the DC and who it is now.

And what is the defensive scheme in use when they were selected.

Both of those have changed 180 degrees.

I think both will ultimately start and be here for their current contracts.
 
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