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So what's that? Since Madden 2014?I played football for eight years. I forgot more about football than half of what this forum knows.
So what's that? Since Madden 2014?I played football for eight years. I forgot more about football than half of what this forum knows.
I played football for eight years. I forgot more about football than half of what this forum knows.
So what's that? Since Madden 2014?
There used to be a stat if a QB had to throw it 50 times , chances of winning were lessened greatly.
400 yards passing probably in most cases means the QB was needed to carry the team either from behind or a game the defense couldn’t stop opponent.
The fact a QB is capable of throwing it 400 yards on a consistent basis is a mark of a strong passing offense.
I would not disagree that you have forgotten a lot about football based on your posts. Wins are not and never have been a QB stat. Matt Stafford didn't suddenly get better but suddenly he goes from perennial 4-12 to Super Bowl champion because he went to a better team. Teams win games not individual players no matter what position.
The people who treat wins like a QB stat are those who do not understand football and need to try and come up with an excuse to argue their position because they do not understand what is happening well enough to explain it any other way.
It could be because we don’t have any running game. And that’s the only way we can move the footballToo often you're passing for 400+ yards because you're playing from behind. You either had turnovers, can't get any stops on defense, or both - so you're desperate.
I'll take 150+ rushing yard games over 400+ yard passing games all day long, because the former are almost always wins.
It's literally all they have. What else are they going to talk about? Success?Then why do the Dak jock sniffers always post stats?
Completely foolish take.There are some fans who feel in a sense Dak is holding us back. That a more Elite QB could take us further. That’s a more reasonable discussion . But what they fail to acknowledge is without him we wouldn’t be competitive or a contender at all.
The one person we all should be trolling is the one constant who has been preventing this franchise from more success for a couple decades + now.
When your team has no ability to win in January, its all you have, I agreeAll we can do is argue about who the good players are and who the bad players are. Amazing that some fans cant even figure that out.
One that cares more about the W-L stat over a meaningless statStats are for football dumb fans that cant figure out who the good players are on bad teams and who the bad players are on good teams.
But what do you call a fan that is upset that his QB has the talent to lead the NFL in 400 yard passing games?
That’s not what I said. And I haven’t heard anyone say he was only one.Completely foolish take.
You are brainwashed into thinking that if Dak can't do it then nobody can.
You've watched QB play from undrafted/4th round talent for the past 15 years basically and it's Stockholm'd you into thinking that nobody else could have done better.
"There are some fans who feel in a sense Dak is holding us back. That a more Elite QB could take us further. That’s a more reasonable discussion . But what they fail to acknowledge is without him we wouldn’t be competitive or a contender at all."That’s not what I said. And I haven’t heard anyone say he was only one.
We have often said we’d love to have one of the HOF caliber QB’s in Romo and now Dak era. But that’s not a reality for most teams in the NFL with a handful to go around for 32 teams. And probably even less likely with our dysfunctional ownership.
The good news is many of the remaining teams can find a good enough QB to try and build around. Most analysts and critics would argue Dak is at least in the middle echelon close to top 10 caliber which would fall into that category of good enough to build around.
It doesn’t have to be one extreme or the other. It can fall more in the middle. Solely blaming this QB or our last QB is short sighted agenda and doesn’t take other factors into consideration like weaknesses at other key positions , lack of stronger defenses, better coaching and front office leadership.
I didn’t say we couldn’t be competitive or a contender without Dak. I said we are with him. You’re reading into this what you want cause your one of the extremist. Which we could be with many other QB’s as well. Most fans would rather have one of those more Elite QB’s. But as I said before that’s not an option for all 32 teams."There are some fans who feel in a sense Dak is holding us back. That a more Elite QB could take us further. That’s a more reasonable discussion . But what they fail to acknowledge is without him we wouldn’t be competitive or a contender at all."
You went from saying that there are fans who feel Dak is holding us back and a more "elite" (more elite LOL) QB could take us further to saying that we wouldn't be competitive or a contender at all without Dak. Firstly, I don't believe we're real contenders anyways. We can be competitive, but real contenders is pushing it. Why couldn't we be competitive without Dak and with someone else? I mean, sure Dak is better than some back ups, but who's to say Jimmy G or Bridgewater wouldn't be just as successful with us? Right now you would have those guys ranked below Dak I'm sure, but you can't confidently say that if they took over that the Cowboys would not be competitive all of a sudden.
I don't solely blame the QB, in fact whenever I see someone post "Dak's record" I call them out on it, but saying that we wouldn't be a competitive without him sounds an awful look like you believe he is doing everything by himself.
4th round/undrafted talent at the QB position should not be the barometer. We could have been better then we have been if the FO took the most important position the team more seriously. All I want is to stop wasting time thinking you found the next Tom Brady because your undrafted/4th round QB overachieved a little. That is not the way to build a winner. It's time to find a real QB and stop playing around.
And I think most would agree that Undrafted and 4th round over achievers is a lower bar than we’d prefer. But unfortunately as fans we don’t get to draft or select our QB’s. We see a dysfunctional ownership which were looking at drafting 1st rounders in Lynch and Manziel for example. So the fact they lucked out with an undrafted and a 4th rounder was sheer luck for our foolish leadership. Or we’d be more like a 4-6 win team ."There are some fans who feel in a sense Dak is holding us back. That a more Elite QB could take us further. That’s a more reasonable discussion . But what they fail to acknowledge is without him we wouldn’t be competitive or a contender at all."
You went from saying that there are fans who feel Dak is holding us back and a more "elite" (more elite LOL) QB could take us further to saying that we wouldn't be competitive or a contender at all without Dak. Firstly, I don't believe we're real contenders anyways. We can be competitive, but real contenders is pushing it. Why couldn't we be competitive without Dak and with someone else? I mean, sure Dak is better than some back ups, but who's to say Jimmy G or Bridgewater wouldn't be just as successful with us? Right now you would have those guys ranked below Dak I'm sure, but you can't confidently say that if they took over that the Cowboys would not be competitive all of a sudden.
I don't solely blame the QB, in fact whenever I see someone post "Dak's record" I call them out on it, but saying that we wouldn't be a competitive without him sounds an awful look like you believe he is doing everything by himself.
4th round/undrafted talent at the QB position should not be the barometer. We could have been better then we have been if the FO took the most important position the team more seriously. All I want is to stop wasting time thinking you found the next Tom Brady because your undrafted/4th round QB overachieved a little. That is not the way to build a winner. It's time to find a real QB and stop playing around.
I'd much rather waste years until we find a real QB instead of meandering around in mediocrity with QBs that can't get it done.And I think most would agree that Undrafted and 4th round over achievers is a lower bar than we’d prefer. But unfortunately as fans we don’t get to draft or select our QB’s. We see a dysfunctional ownership which were looking at drafting 1st rounders in Lynch and Manziel for example. So the fact they lucked out with an undrafted and a 4th rounder was sheer luck for our foolish leadership. Or we’d be more like a 4-6 win team .
Yes, we’d still be looking for and an opportunity to finally draft that Elite QB. But at some point like most teams in the NFL you just have to try and build around what you have. The fact these two QB’s were enough to win some division titles with playoff appearances and a win in playoffs on verge of our 1st championship appearance since 90’s is about all it appears we can hope for.
Just bashing the fact we don’t have a greater QB with all of the other contributing factors comes off like an agenda or simply trolling Cowboy fans. Dak by most analysts and critics is good enough to build around. Like many other non upper echelon QB’s in the league.
When your team has no ability to win in January, its all you have, I agree
One that cares more about the W-L stat over a meaningless stat
Stats are misleading and without context pointless.They are two different subjects completely. One is a team stat and then there are individual stats.
When talking about the quality of the team overall, team record is the key. When talking about players, you compare them with stats.
Its not complicated at all actually. But I understand why the haters bring in team success or lack there of. Its because they get laughed off the board with Dak's personal numbers compared to other QB's. They got nothing else.
And of course when the Cowboys actually win a lot of games and go 12-5 again they look stupid. So they just move the goal post to the playoffs. LOL
A pathetic group of fans that are too scared to admit they were dead wrong on Dak. So they root for us to lose.