Discussion in 'Fan Zone' started by J12B, May 20, 2022.
So what's that? Since Madden 2014?
“ duh I played football for 8 years”
when you lead the nfl in points and passing yards that should clue in even the dumbest fans that we have a good qb and a strong passing game.
empty calorie yards in the weakest division and usually in futile comeback attempts when games are already decided. 23% winning percentage and 63% QB rating against winning teams. No sight of a CCG or a super bowl with dak . period.
We did better under the dink and dunk system. Nope everybody wanted 400+ passing games. And then we started to lose
It could be because we don’t have any running game. And that’s the only way we can move the football
It's literally all they have. What else are they going to talk about? Success?
Dak is just a poor mans Kirk Cousins and I can prove it:
Since Kirk Cousins has been a starting QB his averages for a season are - 4,223 yards, 29 TDs, and 10 INTS
Since Dak Prescott has been a starting QB his averages for a season are - 3,681 yards, 23 TDs, and 8 INTs
The rushing TDs aren't even that different - Dak has 25 career rushing TDs while Cousins has 17.
Yet they will argue with you that Dak is a top 8 QB while Cousins is trash.
They are literally clueless and only see the star on the helmet.
Completely foolish take.
You are brainwashed into thinking that if Dak can't do it then nobody can.
You've watched QB play from undrafted/4th round talent for the past 15 years basically and it's Stockholm'd you into thinking that nobody else could have done better.
When your team has no ability to win in January, its all you have, I agree
One that cares more about the W-L stat over a meaningless stat
That’s not what I said. And I haven’t heard anyone say he was only one.
We have often said we’d love to have one of the HOF caliber QB’s in Romo and now Dak era. But that’s not a reality for most teams in the NFL with a handful to go around for 32 teams. And probably even less likely with our dysfunctional ownership.
The good news is many of the remaining teams can find a good enough QB to try and build around. Most analysts and critics would argue Dak is at least in the middle echelon close to top 10 caliber which would fall into that category of good enough to build around.
It doesn’t have to be one extreme or the other. It can fall more in the middle. Solely blaming this QB or our last QB is short sighted agenda and doesn’t take other factors into consideration like weaknesses at other key positions , lack of stronger defenses, better coaching and front office leadership.
"There are some fans who feel in a sense Dak is holding us back. That a more Elite QB could take us further. That’s a more reasonable discussion . But what they fail to acknowledge is without him we wouldn’t be competitive or a contender at all."
You went from saying that there are fans who feel Dak is holding us back and a more "elite" (more elite LOL) QB could take us further to saying that we wouldn't be competitive or a contender at all without Dak. Firstly, I don't believe we're real contenders anyways. We can be competitive, but real contenders is pushing it. Why couldn't we be competitive without Dak and with someone else? I mean, sure Dak is better than some back ups, but who's to say Jimmy G or Bridgewater wouldn't be just as successful with us? Right now you would have those guys ranked below Dak I'm sure, but you can't confidently say that if they took over that the Cowboys would not be competitive all of a sudden.
I don't solely blame the QB, in fact whenever I see someone post "Dak's record" I call them out on it, but saying that we wouldn't be a competitive without him sounds an awful look like you believe he is doing everything by himself.
4th round/undrafted talent at the QB position should not be the barometer. We could have been better then we have been if the FO took the most important position the team more seriously. All I want is to stop wasting time thinking you found the next Tom Brady because your undrafted/4th round QB overachieved a little. That is not the way to build a winner. It's time to find a real QB and stop playing around.
I didn’t say we couldn’t be competitive or a contender without Dak. I said we are with him. You’re reading into this what you want cause your one of the extremist. Which we could be with many other QB’s as well. Most fans would rather have one of those more Elite QB’s. But as I said before that’s not an option for all 32 teams.
Just because we don’t have one of those top 5 HOF caliber QB’s doesn’t mean like most of the league you can’t build around them. Our QB and offense haven’t been our greatest weakness. Would we like to have a greater QB. Sure, but since that’s not an option at this time we will hope for greater supporting cast, defenses and coaching which we hope can overcome our toxic atmosphere and dysfunctional ownership which even the greatest of QB’s might struggle to overcome.
And I think most would agree that Undrafted and 4th round over achievers is a lower bar than we’d prefer. But unfortunately as fans we don’t get to draft or select our QB’s. We see a dysfunctional ownership which were looking at drafting 1st rounders in Lynch and Manziel for example. So the fact they lucked out with an undrafted and a 4th rounder was sheer luck for our foolish leadership. Or we’d be more like a 4-6 win team .
Yes, we’d still be looking for and an opportunity to finally draft that Elite QB. But at some point like most teams in the NFL you just have to try and build around what you have. The fact these two QB’s were enough to win some division titles with playoff appearances and a win in playoffs on verge of our 1st championship appearance since 90’s is about all it appears we can hope for.
Just bashing the fact we don’t have a greater QB with all of the other contributing factors comes off like an agenda or simply trolling Cowboy fans. Dak by most analysts and critics is good enough to build around. Like many other non upper echelon QB’s in the league.
I'd much rather waste years until we find a real QB instead of meandering around in mediocrity with QBs that can't get it done.
I don't care if we go 12-5 because I expect to lose in the playoffs at this point. Dak and Romo couldn't play well consistently against good teams, they could do it for one game, but then the next one they would regress back. Do people really expect them to play well 3 or 4 games in a row against playoff caliber teams like we would need to win a Super Bowl? That's not how they're built.
Too many things have to go right for them to succeed it seems.
They are two different subjects completely. One is a team stat and then there are individual stats.
When talking about the quality of the team overall, team record is the key. When talking about players, you compare them with stats.
Its not complicated at all actually. But I understand why the haters bring in team success or lack there of. Its because they get laughed off the board with Dak's personal numbers compared to other QB's. They got nothing else.
And of course when the Cowboys actually win a lot of games and go 12-5 again they look stupid. So they just move the goal post to the playoffs. LOL
A pathetic group of fans that are too scared to admit they were dead wrong on Dak. So they root for us to lose.
Stats are misleading and without context pointless.
You would brag about Dak throwing for 500 yards against the Browns while ignore that we were losing 41-14 entering the 4th quarter. That's ya'll game. Brag about the end of the game/season stats, but ignore everything that lead to them. Ignore the situations and circumstances, but instead just focus on the end product.
Purposely trying to mislead by supporting a flawed narrative around flawed statistics is just as pathetic as what you're complaining about.