Most interesting article on edge rushers

[Future]

bottomline is, he's property of the Dallas Cowboys until we say he isn't. PERIOD. Now that may mean we trade him..(has to sign the tag or we have to rescind it), or we sign him to a longterm deal...OR HE PLAYS UNDER THE TAG AND EARNS HIS 20 MIL for 1 year. Either way, he wins. NOW GET THE DARN SURGERY. lol

They can't rescind the tag and trade him because NFL players can't be traded if they aren't under contract. If they rescind, he's a UFA. The only way to trade him would be a sign-and-trade, effectively.

He can also sit out the entire year if he wants.

 

[vlad]

not to be crude or rude, there IS NO DEBATE. He has an obligation and duty to all 32 teams to get his body right,PERIOD END OF STORY. He hasn't done so. Nothing can be fascilitated...NOTHING without him doing what he should have done already!!! Which is get the shoulder fixed, THE SIGN THE TAG. By doing those things he would be on track to play ball week 1. Now its in limbo. There isn't "both sides" to this debate. Trust me when I say, The Dallas Cowboys FO is seeing it this way exactly. Its good business. Why invest top dollar into ANYONE OR ANYTHING is its damaged? It would be fool hearty.

If that's his obligation then shouldn't he have done it as soon as he had the injury? Instead he chose to play through the injury for the betterment of his situation and his team, and on some faith from JG and JJ I'm sure that they'd take care of him.

People act like he screwed the Cowboys over...to me its either they screwed him or neutral.

 

[cern]

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/...shers-new-england-patriots-kansas-city-chiefs

We all have different views about what to do with Lawrence but this article is the best I have seen just from the cap v production standpoint and I hope the FO of the Cowboys reads it.

this was a most interesting read. hard to argue the results the pats have shown year after year. i'm becoming more and more inclined to say sayonara to tank.

 

[northerncowboynation]

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/...shers-new-england-patriots-kansas-city-chiefs

We all have different views about what to do with Lawrence but this article is the best I have seen just from the cap v production standpoint and I hope the FO of the Cowboys reads it.

Good post Coach

 

[Whyjerry]

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/...shers-new-england-patriots-kansas-city-chiefs

We all have different views about what to do with Lawrence but this article is the best I have seen just from the cap v production standpoint and I hope the FO of the Cowboys reads it.

Good read. Thanks for sharing.

 

[northerncowboynation]

right is right, and wrong, WRONG. What this is for the player is TERRIBLE OPTICS for all 32 teams. If he gets his way and Dallas caves, this sets the bar..or the tone for other players to do the same. THIS JUST CANT HAPPEN.

Ray, someone will set the bar higher every year and every year some team will cave. The optics are no worse for Tank than any other player. Yes, worse for DC fans but I really don't think other fans care. They care when it happens to their team, not this one. The tone has been set, it's get what you can while you can. Teams are as much to blame as the players. Yep we want someone to blame.

Fact is when/if he signs his season will probably be delayed by surgery and that's incumbent on the team to manage and they will. The article clearly points out stud DE's aren't a necessity any more with QB's getting quicker in their release time. That's a good thing because we don't have a stud LDE as a backup. We got this bro, we fit right in to the scenario described in the article. That's my take anyway

 

[Jumbo075]

this was a most interesting read. hard to argue the results the pats have shown year after year. i'm becoming more and more inclined to say sayonara to tank.

I've ALWAYS thought the Cowboys overrated DeMarcus Lawrence, and won't be surprised if his peak performance year was in 2017. I would be hesitant to pay a ransom to keep him. He's NOT Von Miller or Khalil Mack, who had immediate impact as rookies. If I were the Cowboys, I would be content to pay him his $20.6M this year, and let him walk next season. And although I am really high on the Cowboys using their 2nd round pick on a Safety, if Jaylon Ferguson drops to #58, I'd grab him in a heartbeat over any DB. If that happens, I would be more than happy to sign Quinn to a 3-year deal in 2020, and let Armstrong, Ferguson, Gregory and Charlton battle for the other starting DE position.

 

[glimmerman]

I've ALWAYS thought the Cowboys overrated DeMarcus Lawrence, and won't be surprised if his peak performance year was in 2017. I would be hesitant to pay a ransom to keep him. He's NOT Von Miller or Khalil Mack, who had immediate impact as rookies. If I were the Cowboys, I would be content to pay him his $20.6M this year, and let him walk next season. And although I am really high on the Cowboys using their 2nd round pick on a Safety, if Jaylon Ferguson drops to #58, I'd grab him in a heartbeat over any DB. If that happens, I would be more than happy to sign Quinn to a 3-year deal in 2020, and let Armstrong, Ferguson, Gregory and Charlton battle for the other starting DE position.

He has done a good job. He deserves a contract but not what he is asking for.

 

[Diehardblues]

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2019/...shers-new-england-patriots-kansas-city-chiefs

We all have different views about what to do with Lawrence but this article is the best I have seen just from the cap v production standpoint and I hope the FO of the Cowboys reads it.

There was so many pop ups in that link I couldn’t stay with it.

Any chance you could summarize the article?

 

[ShiningStar]

if Dallas wants to win, sign him, if not trade him, but be done with it. botth sides will be winners either way.

 

[Tussinman]

He is gonna screw himself and this team by waiting to get his surgery. He will sign the tag at the last minute and get his surgery and won’t be 100% to start the year, his agents advise needs to spread to all GM in the league to know who they are dealing with when he represents a player. He should ran out of the business if you ask me.

This. Gonna be funny if the cowboys pull the tag in June.

Him and his agent will be sitting there in the summer injured with no deal. His value for 2019 would be minimal

 

[glimmerman]

This. Gonna be funny if the cowboys pull the tag in June.

Him and his agent will be sitting there in the summer injured with no deal. His value for 2019 would be minimal

And he will have missed out on 20 million. And his agent would have gotten 600k cut off the 20 million.

 

[CouchCoach]

this was a most interesting read. hard to argue the results the pats have shown year after year. i'm becoming more and more inclined to say sayonara to tank.

The only challenge is that there's only one Belichick when it comes to outfitting his D and making it work year after year with different players. Some thought he was losing it paying Gilmore what he did but that allowed him to plug in good players up front and not break the bank on them. Having 2 top 10 CB's allows him to work with a lower tiered front 7 and be effective.

I think every owner and GM has studied NE and come away with "who in the hell do we get to make that work"? Most of the GM's started looking at their teams for 2019 once the 2018 season, Belichick was looking at his 2019 team at the end of the 2017 season.

The major difference between Belichick and most of the other HC's is that most are good on strategy, Garrett is fine on strategy, it's the tactical area where he shines because he anticipates what he starts with will last for just so long before they catch on and make adjustments. We talk about in game adjustments like they're easy but that's a really tough call.

You could give every other HC in the league Belichick's team and they would not get as much out of it. Every player that goes to NE knows they're playing for the smartest HC in the NFL so shut up and pay attention.

 

[CouchCoach]

I hate to say this but I think pretty soon this thread is going to be obsolete and irrelevant because the Cowboys are my number 1 blinking team. They did it with Bryant and will do that with Lawrence and some will celebrate, I just hope they're not going "what went wrong" when they're watching players leave because of overpaying a DE. I do not see anyway this player is worth what they're going to pay him but they will justify that with a lack of options because they are just not very good at this. All I can say is they better make the most of this team while they have it.

 

[conner01]

this was a most interesting read. hard to argue the results the pats have shown year after year. i'm becoming more and more inclined to say sayonara to tank.

It’s not really about tank but bellicheck
If you can scheme a pass rush with lesser players then you don’t need elite players
Few teams can do that though
As quick as today’s QB’s get rid of it, they may become less valuable
If you look at Tank and Mack they got their sacks early and tailed off late in the season
Teams can’t block them so they get it out quick
If the QB is getting it out in 2.5 sec then no pass rush can get there
If that continues a CB May become more valuable than an edge rusher

 

[glimmerman]

It’s not really about tank but bellicheck
If you can scheme a pass rush with lesser players then you don’t need elite players
Few teams can do that though
As quick as today’s QB’s get rid of it, they may become less valuable
If you look at Tank and Mack they got their sacks early and tailed off late in the season
Teams can’t block them so they get it out quick
If the QB is getting it out in 2.5 sec then no pass rush can get there
If that continues a CB May become more valuable than an edge rusher

That’s what is happening now. You need corners to be up on the recievers and bump them at the line. Forces the qb to wait.

 

[conner01]

That’s what is happening now. You need corners to be up on the recievers and bump them at the line. Forces the qb to wait.

Exactly
And you need receivers who can get open quick
Stats aside a guy like Donald is more important than Mack
The middle push is right in the QB face
The problem is finding a guy like Donald is even harder than finding a guy like Mack

 

[glimmerman]

Exactly
And you need receivers who can get open quick
Stats aside a guy like Donald is more important than Mack
The middle push is right in the QB face
The problem is finding a guy like Donald is even harder than finding a guy like Mack

Collins and Woods. When healthy do pretty well. Look to see us draft a DT but doubting they will make a immediate impact.

 

[conner01]

Collins and Woods. When healthy do pretty well. Look to see us draft a DT but doubting they will make a immediate impact.

I think Covington will help to

 

[glimmerman]

I think Covington will help to

Forgot all about him.